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How to determine if steering box needs changing #899596 01/08/11 04:12 PM 01/08/11 04:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 474 Louisiana D duckblind OP mopar
duckblind OP mopar D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 474 Louisiana	I have my 68 charger apart and am trying to determine if the steering box is bad before I put everything back together. There seems to be a fair amount of play in the box but I don't know if that is because it is worn or because the power steering pump is not pressurizing it. Should there be slack in the gear box when the pump is not running?

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: duckblind] #899597 01/08/11 04:32 PM 01/08/11 04:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,160 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,160 Mass	There will be some slop, because as you stated, it's not "pressurized",....this is the time to install a FIRM FEEL III PS box in your car, pony up the coin, you'll see it's the best steering mod you can perform

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: duckblind] #899598 01/08/11 07:01 PM 01/08/11 07:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: Should there be slack in the gear box when the pump is not running? there'll be a ton live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: RapidRobert] #899599 01/09/11 12:14 AM 01/09/11 12:14 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	If you tighten the lash, and go directly from "slop" to "numb" - it is shot. A good one has zero lash without the binding feel. Rick

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: DAYCLONA] #899600 01/09/11 12:16 AM 01/09/11 12:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 474 Louisiana D duckblind OP mopar
duckblind OP mopar D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 474 Louisiana	Has anyone tried the Firm Feel steering box? Are they worth the money?

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: duckblind] #899601 01/09/11 12:19 AM 01/09/11 12:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	Yes and yes.

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: duckblind] #899602 01/09/11 01:05 AM 01/09/11 01:05 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,160 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,160 Mass	Quote: Has anyone tried the Firm Feel steering box? Are they worth the money? Don't waste your time and money buy buying a Firm Feel stage I or II box,...go directly to the Firm Feel III,...a little more money, but worth it

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: DAYCLONA] #899603 01/09/11 01:26 AM 01/09/11 01:26 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 679 N.E Indiana R repad super street
repad super street R Joined: May 2004 Posts: 679 N.E Indiana	I ordered a box from Autozone last summer, cost 250 and works perfectly.

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: repad] #899604 01/09/11 12:54 PM 01/09/11 12:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 383 Essex, Ont., Canada Fishmarket enthusiast
Fishmarket enthusiast Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 383 Essex, Ont., Canada	I got a FIRM box from Steer and Gear last summer and it is great. What a difference from the original box and well worth the $. I don't think you could go wrong with Steer and Gear or Firm Feel. 1972 Plymouth Cuda 340 4 speed 1971 Plymouth Road Runner 383 Auto 1970 Plymouth Duster /6 Auto

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: Fishmarket] #899605 01/09/11 01:22 PM 01/09/11 01:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 662 Virginia V varunner mopar
varunner mopar V Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 662 Virginia	I'm in the market for a rebuilt manual box. Does anyone have experiance with this ebay seller: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: varunner] #899606 01/09/11 01:55 PM 01/09/11 01:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 387 n/w, PA D demonH1B enthusiast
demonH1B enthusiast D Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 387 n/w, PA	Brian, I know nothing about that seller. Have you checked with Steer and Gear for a quote, they do manual as well as power boxes. Good folks to deal with.

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: demonH1B] #899607 01/09/11 02:10 PM 01/09/11 02:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 662 Virginia V varunner mopar
varunner mopar V Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 662 Virginia	Yeah, just checked. Looks like $285 + $100 core from steer and gear. Not sure what the extra $140 gets ya.

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: varunner] #899608 01/09/11 02:27 PM 01/09/11 02:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 387 n/w, PA D demonH1B enthusiast
demonH1B enthusiast D Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 387 n/w, PA	I'm thinking that price is for a power box and the 140 is for an upgrade on the power box. Call and get a quote for YOUR application.

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: Fishmarket] #899609 01/09/11 04:05 PM 01/09/11 04:05 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,160 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,160 Mass	Quote: I don't think you could go wrong with Steer and Gear or Firm Feel. I ended up replacing the Steer and Gear box ($425 ) for a Firm Feel III in my Daytona, the Stear & Gear basicaly fell apart, the main selector shaft blew out, the case was junk afterwards, I only got about 2 yrs out of the box, The Firm Feel has been in about 4 yrs now... IMHO the Firm Feel "feels" alot better in responce/seat of the pants driving than the Steer and Gear ever did, and I've driven a few other cars equipped with Steer & Gear,...don't quite match the "feel" of the Firm Feel box 6406904-0000a.jpg (39 downloads)

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: demonH1B] #899610 01/09/11 05:13 PM 01/09/11 05:13 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 662 Virginia V varunner mopar
varunner mopar V Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 662 Virginia	You're right, the $385 total looks like it's a power steering box. The $ 140 I mentioned was the different between the $385 and the ebay seller's manual box. I just emailed Steer & Gear for a price quote. I need a decent manual box for a drag car..nothing fancy, just no slop.

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: varunner] #899611 01/09/11 08:28 PM 01/09/11 08:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	I had a new firm feel 16:1 manual box and the flat for the coupler to center the steering col was off a bit from 12 o'clock but the rest of it was solid/worked well live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: How to determine if steering box needs changing [Re: duckblind] #899612 01/09/11 09:41 PM 01/09/11 09:41 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,131 Thigh-Gap Junction @ @#$%&*! New user name, Same old jerk!
@#$%&*! New user name, Same old jerk! @ Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,131 Thigh-Gap Junction	Quote: I have my 68 charger apart and am trying to determine if the steering box is bad before I put everything back together. There seems to be a fair amount of play in the box but I don't know if that is because it is worn or because the power steering pump is not pressurizing it. Should there be slack in the gear box when the pump is not running? There should be play in the steering gear everywhere but fully centered. Read a FSM, it has good instructions on how to adjust both worm gear bearing preload and chuck/sector mesh. It's easy to do out of the car and not bad installed. Whatever you do, don't go adjusting the sector (locknut/screw thingy) without reading the instructions. If you adjust out the clearance in the wrong place you can permanently damage the box when you turn the steering wheel. The only slop you can't adjust out is the fit between the worm gear and chuck, that clearance is set by the diameter of the recirculating balls.

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