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Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. #899097
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A friend of mine hit me up about swapping out his cam in his 88 Ram charger to get more torque for towing and off-roading and looking back at a motor I built for off-roading I remember the Lunati I picked worked real well. That cam was around .450 lift and had 218 degs. dur @ .050 iirc so being this is a T-body 318 w/35`s and 4.56`s, what do you guys think would pick up the torque and hp. I`m thinking about something similar to the Lunati but maybe a bit more dur. like maybe .220-.225............Any thaughts? Thankxxx..........


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Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: Thumperdart] #899098
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I've got a 440 in my pulling truck, nothing too wild, original bottom 1968 bottom end with a set of fully ported 915's and stock intake with a Comp 236/236 with .495" lift and headers. Got a great deal on the cam so that helped in picking it, but I've been extremely happy with it and I can still meet the 14" of vacuum at 1000 rpm that our classes require.

Not sure how much help a big block comparison will be for you, but I do alot of street driving with the truck as well as pulling and it does great on the street.

Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: CoreyWilson] #899099
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I`m the guy that usually says "the bigger the better" but being it`s only a 318, I was thinking the .050 dur. doesn`t need to be to crazy..........maybe I`m wrong.


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Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: Thumperdart] #899100
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I wish I could remember the cam I put in the motor in my Satellite, but it was too many years ago, seven or eight. The motor is a 318 out of a 78 or 79 Dimplomat with an Edelbrock intake and a 600 Holley. I know it was a Comp, maybe the 20-212-2 because the .454" lift seems familiar. If it is, it has a duration at .050" of 218. I chose the cam at the time, just out of high school, for a good sound. Back then I didn't realize it was too much cam for the motor, especially with a 2.76 rear gear. I guess I learned the hard way that bigger definitely isn't always better, but it sure sounds good lol.

Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: CoreyWilson] #899101
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i have had a 88 ram for 12 years had 318 throttle body, i tried the bigger cam shaft(erson 444 lift not remember duration but i think tq20 part #) could never get to idle right or run very good. was on 33 tires and 3.23 gears ended up going to carb and mech fuel pump ran great. now has new motor still 318 with j heads 10 to 1 and comp extreme 4x4 cam, air gap intake and holley truck avenger 760 cfm runs alot better does had 35 with 4.56 gears and 2500 stall pulls great hope this helps old pic when on 33s

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Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: CoreyWilson] #899102
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I wish I could remember the cam I put in the motor in my Satellite, but it was too many years ago, seven or eight. The motor is a 318 out of a 78 or 79 Dimplomat with an Edelbrock intake and a 600 Holley. I know it was a Comp, maybe the 20-212-2 because the .454" lift seems familiar. If it is, it has a duration at .050" of 218. I chose the cam at the time, just out of high school, for a good sound. Back then I didn't realize it was too much cam for the motor, especially with a 2.76 rear gear. I guess I learned the hard way that bigger definitely isn't always better, but it sure sounds good lol.




I run that cam in my 318 and it runs great, currently running an open 2.76. Upgrading to an 8 3/4 w/3.55's.

Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: Thumperdart] #899103
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I built a 360 for my '86 RamCharger.
It is 9.5:1 compression with the Hughes HEH1523AL cam and Crane 1.6:1 rocker arms to get 0.501"/0.539" lift cam is 215/223 @ 0.050 duration 112 LSA.
I used the Aerohead heads with 2.02"/1.60" valves and ported them myself.

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Results of too much power and loss of traction.
Hit curb backwards after spining the RamCharger 180 degrees, and flip the truck on its side

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I just put this in a 340. I think it would work well in a truck http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=1544&gid=287

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Here's one more a little smaller, maybe a little better for a small engine and a heavy vehicle http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=1543&gid=287 by the way both of these cams will work with stock 340 valve springs. Set the springs up at 1.68 that will give you about 95 to a 100# on the seat and the good thing was that the springs were only about $45.00 from melling or SBI

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Thankxxx guys................guess my original idea was pretty close. I`ll talk to him and see what he wants to do.


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Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: Thumperdart] #899108
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I went with mild duration to build low/mid range torque. I had 3.23:1 gears and 29" tall tires, so 55 MPH is only about 2100 RPM, and 80 MPH is only about 3,000 RPM.
The Engine simulation software shows a fairly flat torque curve from 1,000 to 4,500 RPM, with a peak of 413 ft/lbs at 3500 RPM. Because the torque curve starts dropping off after 4,500 RPM peak HP is only 324 at 4,500 RPM.

FWIW the hughes HEH1523AL cam durations at 0.006" measured out to be 269/277. At 0.008", 262/271, at 0.050 215/223, at 0.200", 130/140.

Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: 451Mopar] #899109
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Thankxxx..............


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Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: Thumperdart] #899110
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If he has to pull the engine to swap cams... a 360 will pull better and thy are cheep

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If he has to pull the engine to swap cams... a 360 will pull better and thy are cheep


I`ll see if it can be installed in the truck and go from there...........


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Re: Question for you 4x4 guys.............................. [Re: Thumperdart] #899112
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The 360 swap should be pretty simple, you can add weights to the converter to balance it to the 360 or the route I went was to buy a B&M flexplate so I could use a neutral balance converter behind the 360.

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I ran the stock 340 grind in a 318 and it ran excellent. That cam eventually went flat. I put a crane grind with around 268 duration and it wasn't quite the same. Much smaller power band and less top end. Also this was in a shortwide with dana 60s. Basically a stock 318 with 4bbl and cam. Ran low 16s in the 1/4. The big block guys didn't know what to think when I was spankin em.







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