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The volt gauge on my 93 one ton deisel was switching back and forth between about 4-16 volts. Alternator tested good. I wired in a external regulator to bypass the computer. At first the gauge jumped around now it is running 16+ volts all the time. It has a factory gauge and an aftermarket guage. Any ideas on what went wrong.

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check your sensing voltage.
Where did you get the sensing voltage from on the aftermarket vr?

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I would first go to battery without anything switched on and read(using a digital multimeter) stationary voltage;you should get something between 12.2 and 12.8 volts.Then start the engine and run at say 1800 rpm and measure battery voltage,depending on the charge in the battery you should get anything up to13.8/14 volts.IF you are getting 16 volts accross the battery doing the above you have a regulator fault.Anything over 14 volts is going to cause damage.

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I would first go to battery without anything switched on and read(using a digital multimeter) stationary voltage;you should get something between 12.2 and 12.8 volts.Then start the engine and run at say 1800 rpm and measure battery voltage,depending on the charge in the battery you should get anything up to13.8/14 volts.IF you are getting 16 volts accross the battery doing the above you have a regulator fault.Anything over 14 volts is going to cause damage.




That is certainly not correct, depending on the temperature, voltage can be up in the 14.5-nearly 15V range. 15, though, for continuous operation is getting somewhat high, and 16 AT THE BATTERY is certainly high.

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I see you're in Canada.

What are your air temps right now?

I did the same thing you did, only I removed my entire computer when I swapped the V6 to a big block in my Dakota. I kept the stock alternator though.

wired it up the same.

when it was cold outside--60 degrees or less, I had 14.5 at idle and 16 above 1200 rpms. now that it's around 90, my volts are between 13 and 14.5

I wouldn't worry too much about it, but you could still check your voltage at the sensing wire.


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I see you're in Canada.

What are your air temps right now?

I did the same thing you did, only I removed my entire computer when I swapped the V6 to a big block in my Dakota. I kept the stock alternator though.

wired it up the same.

when it was cold outside--60 degrees or less, I had 14.5 at idle and 16 above 1200 rpms. now that it's around 90, my volts are between 13 and 14.5

I wouldn't worry too much about it, but you could still check your voltage at the sensing wire.




by the way, my battery is now in my bed, so that's nearly 30 feet of wire for the alternator to charge through, and my guage only has about 7 feet of wire between it and the alternator, although I haven't checked my voltage at the battery, I'm sure it's a few volts less than what I'm reading on the gauge--not that this helps you at all, but just further details on my set-up


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when it was cold outside--60 degrees or less, I had 14.5 at idle and 16 above 1200 rpms. now that it's around 90, my volts are between 13 and 14.5






16 is overcharging period. normal range 13.8 to 14.2.

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okay battery is at 12.4 volts not running. Once I start it it jumps to 15.57 or so. That's at the battery and the alt. Do I have a bum regulator?

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that depends on what the voltage is to the regulator.
Put it in run and read the voltage at the sensing line at the vr.
See what the difference is between that and the battery.
If it is the same, then yeah, bad vr. If it is way off, then bad connections.

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Here's a silly question. What is the sensing wire? Is it the 12v source wire going to the regulator?

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The 12v wire to the regulator is seeing about 2v less than the battery if it is not running with the ignition in run or if the truck is running. 12.4 at the battery about 10.2 at wire not running. 15.5 at the battery running 14.6 at the wire. Alt. is still pumping out close to 16v.

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The 12v wire to the regulator is seeing about 2v less than the battery if it is not running with the ignition in run or if the truck is running. 12.4 at the battery about 10.2 at wire not running. 15.5 at the battery running 14.6 at the wire. Alt. is still pumping out close to 16v.




Make sure you are not feeding the regulator through a resistor. One simple test/check is to unhook the 12 supply wire from the regulator. Then run a jumper direct from the battery positive to the regulator. Then see what it does.

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Also make sure the connector on the regulator is good. If there is resistance in the molded plug there will be charging problems. The regulator has to sense true battery voltage to work properly. Both my 95 and 2002 diesels run just a bit over 14 volts at highway speeds.

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that 2 volts less is your problem. You have to check back till it hits the same voltage to see what is causing your drop. Bad connector, or bulkhead connection or whatever.
That is why you are over charging.

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I hooked the 12v wire directly to the battery now I'm seeing just over 12v at the battery and 11.8-11.9 at the alt. Every where i've looked for a source that is switched with the ignition it is lower than the battery. My gauges are reading lower than my volt meter. Sombody please tell me I'm getting closer.

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Is that with the car running?
If it is off, then don't worry about what the voltage is at the alt, though it does show some odd loss, and you will have to track that down.
But that is much better.

So if you get a voltage drop on all of them, then check the bulkhead connector for bad connections.

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That was with the truck running. There is a solinoid on the fender that is hooked to the battery directly. I'm stll seeing less voltage at the switched terminal. Even with the sencing wire directly at the batt.

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take the lead off and measure again.
My bet is you burned something out. That doesn't sound like it is trying to charge at all.
If the voltage doesn't change, something died. Or isn't hooked up right still.

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The volts at the battery does not change with the wire on or off. I put a new regulator in no change. Could I have a bad connection on one of the feild wires. would this cause me grief?

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yes that would cause a problem too. If both wires are not hooked up.
You can ground one so you only have to mess with one sensing line if you like, and see what it does then.

That is how you run newer alt on the older mopars, so it doesn't cause any damage. Though I don't know how a 2 wire vr acts when you do that.







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