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...speaking of dynos, going Thursday FULL RESULTS #890024
12/28/10 03:24 AM
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I'm headed over to Bob Lambeck's place on Thursday to dyno-tune the 496 after pulling it post Silver State Classic oil-starvation due to an incorrectly set adjustable bypass. I replaced all the bearings after I found some mild signs of starvation. I also found I had insufficient chamfer clearance and most of the bearingsd had a tiny ring of copper on the outside from rubbing the fat radius. New narrow bearings with hand-clearanced edges solved that problem.

Last time I had it dyno'd was when I built it in a mad rush to make it to MATS after killing the crank at March Meet. There was no time to tune, just a break in with a bad carb, then one pull with the replacement carb. We knew it was pig rich, but had to go with it for the sake of time. After pulling 8 jet sizes out it picked up over 3 tenths.

What do you think it will make now? I won't spoil your guesses with the old numbers unless requested.

440 +.040, stroked to 496 with a 440source 4.15 kit
10.44:1 compression, 91 octane pump gas
Holley 1000HP
MP M1 single plane intake
.597/.607 257°/259° @.050 sold flat tappet
Eddie RPM, unported, port machining transitions smoothed/gasket matched
2 1/8"/3.5" TTI headers
MP distributor, 35° total

ETA: Engine dyno, not chassis



11.33 @ 118.46 on motor
10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray
Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race
Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023
Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890025
12/28/10 04:14 AM
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570 hp....

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Quicksilver440] #890026
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562HP (engine dyno)


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Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: moparniac] #890027
12/28/10 10:02 AM
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570...562...

WOW! I will be pretty impressed if that motor makes close to 700 hp at the crank!!!

I will guess 450 rwhp

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: moparniac] #890028
12/28/10 11:28 AM
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where its cold and white durin...
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522 hp

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 2QUICK4U] #890029
12/28/10 11:57 AM
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should have specified "engine dyno"


11.33 @ 118.46 on motor
10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray
Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race
Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023
Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890030
12/28/10 12:12 PM
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Ah, in that case I will guess 568

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890031
12/28/10 02:05 PM
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615 HP at 6100 to 6400 RPm and 640+ ft. lbs at or close to 4300 RPM The results depends on the local weather, dyno brand and settings on the engine dyno


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Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Quicksilver440] #890032
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Quote:

570 hp....


I meant engine dyno....

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Quicksilver440] #890033
12/30/10 09:41 AM
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'tis still the wee morning hours over here, and I'm loading the engine up to go. Any last guesses?


11.33 @ 118.46 on motor
10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray
Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race
Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023
Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890034
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628Ft-Lbs @ 4300

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890035
12/30/10 12:54 PM
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'tis still the wee morning hours over here, and I'm loading the engine up to go. Any last guesses?


My 906 headed 469 w/a solid cam made 615hp and 580tq on Pettis`s dyno so I would HOPE for a bit more.............good luck.


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Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Thumperdart] #890036
12/30/10 01:14 PM
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Good luck Dan

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Jeepmon] #890037
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Dan...where's the results?

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Quicksilver440] #890038
12/31/10 01:15 AM
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609.1 @ 5500
647.9 @ 4400

I'll post the average numbers in a few minutes, but it is a big, fat, flat power curve.


11.33 @ 118.46 on motor
10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray
Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race
Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023
Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890039
12/31/10 02:21 AM
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very nice!

Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Quicksilver440] #890040
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Can I ask ball park the cost of running your engine on Lambecks
dyno?? I assume 3 pulls.


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Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: Phil Saran] #890041
12/31/10 12:17 PM
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Cost: $550 for 9 hours and 21 pulls.


Correction: Final was 609.1 @ 5700 and 647.7 @ 4500
over 600 HP from 5200 - 5700
over 600 ft.lb. from 3700 - 5200

First run was 575/604, and every run we would change 1 thing.

On 91 octane, the engine made more power each time we took timing away. It runs best at 30° total, not the 36 I was previously running.

The carb ended up wanting 7 more sizes on the primary and one less on the secondary for a final of 84/88.

Swapping the HS air bleeds from 25 to 29 gave me about 5 on the top and got rid of a rich condition past 5000.

Adding a 1" 4 hole over a 1 inch open was worth 13 HP and 9 ft.lb. over no spacers at all.

My 14x3 paper air filter cost me 10HP over no cleaner at all, a 14x3 4 ply K&N only cost me 2HP.

There is a slight surge over 5500 that couldn't be tuned out since it is a result of not enough exhaust duration to compensate for my tiny ports. Only fixed by porting or a new cam.

Further pulls revealed the engine was still running well past 6600, but power was down to 552 out there.

I'll post copied of the dyno sheets in a little while.


11.33 @ 118.46 on motor
10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray
Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race
Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023
Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890042
12/31/10 12:27 PM
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Nice!!!

Saw it late but I was gonna guess 600/600....on paper it looked very close to my old 508 Stage V/Hyd roller combo that I figued to be in the ~620 range.

Guys looking for a 'default' 500" 600/600 combo need look no further File it inthe tech archives!!

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Re: ...speaking of dynos... going on Thursday [Re: 67Charger] #890043
12/31/10 12:35 PM
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Quote:

609.1 @ 5500
647.9 @ 4400







1.22HP per cube..


Are you happy?

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