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Offenhauser 5186 #879008
12/13/10 03:49 PM
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I have an opportunity to get an Offenhauser 5186 dual quad intake pretty cheap. I am contemplating putting it on my 451 stroker motor with stock 451 heads (2.02/1.81 Roller rocker) Just curious if this would be enough intake for my combo or if anyone has experience with it. I was figuring on going with an Eddy RPM but the cool factor would be way up with dual quads and I could do it pretty cheap.

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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Big Bad Bee] #879009
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an Offenhauser 5186 dual quad intake. Just curious if this would be enough intake for my combo but the cool factor would be way up with dual quads and I could do it pretty cheap. Opinions?


Plenty enough intake. Cool factor very high. Do it!


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: RapidRobert] #879010
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One site describes it as a split single plane. I was a little concerned about runner size but I love low end torque and it seems like it would do well.


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Big Bad Bee] #879011
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Good intake!!


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #879012
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I ended up missing that intake by a couple hours but there are plenty of them out there. I still like the idea of putting that on my 451 stroker but I don't want to go poor building a dual carb setup!


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Big Bad Bee] #879013
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Quote:

I have an opportunity to get an Offenhauser 5186 dual quad intake pretty cheap. I am contemplating putting it on my 451 stroker motor with stock 451 heads (2.02/1.81 Roller rocker) Just curious if this would be enough intake for my combo or if anyone has experience with it. I was figuring on going with an Eddy RPM but the cool factor would be way up with dual quads and I could do it pretty cheap.

Opinions?



Are you sure that your valve sizes are right? 2.02 valves in a big block? Also, the stock heads on 76-78 400/440 engines were '452 castings.

Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Kern Dog] #879014
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It is a single plane. I will run the 273/318 unit on a future 360 build. The consensus (facts) are that a Performer RPM and a Holley carb will perform better and make more power. Myself (like you) am choosing the cool factor over best performing set up. The best underhood dual quad manifolds are the Edelbrocks but they never made one for the low deck.


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: 2boltmain] #879015
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The heads were off a 440 race engine that a high school shop class built. I think the whole thing ran on the dyno for about 10 minutes before the bottom end on the thing went "BOOM!" I am the benefactor... I think the valves are okay. Oh, Sorry on the typo. Intake 2.14


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: 2boltmain] #879016
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It is a single plane. I will run the 273/318 unit on a future 360 build. The consensus (facts) are that a Performer RPM and a Holley carb will perform better and make more power. Myself (like you) am choosing the cool factor over best performing set up. The best underhood dual quad manifolds are the Edelbrocks but they never made one for the low deck.




I did a little reading on it on the offy site. Think they call it a "Modified single plane" or something like that. I like it because it's so low profile. I think I can still use it under a ramcharger. If I don't go with it, I will definitely go with the RPM. I know I can land the intake cheap. Just have to land the carb set up cheap too! I agree. The wow factor is worth the trade off for HP, which with a 500+ hp engine, I will have more than I have ever had in a mopar and that's plenty.


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Big Bad Bee] #879017
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Greg,

The heads were off a 440 race engine that a high school shop class built. I think the whole thing ran on the dyno for about 10 minutes before the bottom end on the thing went "BOOM!" I am the benefactor... I think the valves are okay. Oh, Sorry on the typo. Intake 2.14




Already knew what you mean't on the intake valve.


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Big Bad Bee] #879018
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I have had good luck with the Edlebrock 2x4 intake and carbs on friends project cars, and they definitely increase the "wow" factor when the hood is opened.

I found one a little rarer - a Weiand Max Wedge port 2x4 low rise intake. I think it was from around 1964-65.





Thinking of modifying it to use on my twin turbo EFI motor.


Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: ProStDodge] #879019
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I have had good luck with the Edlebrock 2x4 intake and carbs on friends project cars, and they definitely increase the "wow" factor when the hood is opened.

I found one a little rarer - a Weiand Max Wedge port 2x4 low rise intake. I think it was from around 1964-65.





Thinking of modifying it to use on my twin turbo EFI motor.




Those old Weiand dual quad manifolds look very similar to Offenhausers. Was the factory OEM 383 and RB dual quad intakes of this single plane open plenum design or were they the normal dual plane design?


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: 2boltmain] #879020
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For what its worth. A freind had a single crab manifold that was very similar. Mild 440 ,.500 cam,headers. In his Duster it went 12.80. We replaced it with a Performer RPM. No other changes, it went 12.20.
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I have had good luck with the Edlebrock 2x4 intake and carbs on friends project cars, and they definitely increase the "wow" factor when the hood is opened.

I found one a little rarer - a Weiand Max Wedge port 2x4 low rise intake. I think it was from around 1964-65.





Thinking of modifying it to use on my twin turbo EFI motor.






I have both the max wedge and RB version of these intakes. I have only used the RB version in a Dart and in the old FED digger. It worked better than a sorted Holley and SD intake at full throttle. That was likely due to using 2 750 Edelbrocks. It was fun on the Dart. I used 2 392 Hemi cheater carbs.

The RB intake was worked on buy an old school shop and flowed. It was matched up to a special high dollar set of 906 heads. At first he laughed at the thought of using that intake. After the work he commented on being very surprised about how well it flowed.


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I found Dave Frieburger's hotrod magazine 383 intake manifold shootout. Thank you Dave! If that guy weren't working for hotrod, that article would have never been in print. The engine was a mildly built 383. The Offy 360 dual quad intake didn't blow wind up anyone's skirt but didn't do poorly either. The interesting thing was that while the Eddy RPM did about the best overall on that engine, some of the low profile single planes numbers were just as good. We're talking Eddy Torker, Holley Street Dominator, Mopar M1 and even the old Eddy T6 Tarantula. Only difference being the RPM does better down low and the single planes had it up high. Given what I want to build, I think the performance of the would fall off a bit compared to the others.


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Re: Offenhauser 5186 [Re: Big Bad Bee] #879023
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I found Dave Frieburger's hotrod magazine 383 intake manifold shootout. Thank you Dave! If that guy weren't working for hotrod, that article would have never been in print. The engine was a mildly built 383. The Offy 360 dual quad intake didn't blow wind up anyone's skirt but didn't do poorly either. The interesting thing was that while the Eddy RPM did about the best overall on that engine, some of the low profile single planes numbers were just as good. We're talking Eddy Torker, Holley Street Dominator, Mopar M1 and even the old Eddy T6 Tarantula. Only difference being the RPM does better down low and the single planes had it up high. Given what I want to build, I think the performance of the would fall off a bit compared to the others.


The Offy manifolds were really misrepresented in that shootout, they had no jets/metering rods to properly calibrate the carbs. The offy tests were in the 10.9:1 a/f ratio range

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I found Dave Frieburger's hotrod magazine 383 intake manifold shootout. Thank you Dave! If that guy weren't working for hotrod, that article would have never been in print. The engine was a mildly built 383. The Offy 360 dual quad intake didn't blow wind up anyone's skirt but didn't do poorly either. The interesting thing was that while the Eddy RPM did about the best overall on that engine, some of the low profile single planes numbers were just as good. We're talking Eddy Torker, Holley Street Dominator, Mopar M1 and even the old Eddy T6 Tarantula. Only difference being the RPM does better down low and the single planes had it up high. Given what I want to build, I think the performance of the would fall off a bit compared to the others.


The Offy manifolds were really misrepresented in that shootout, they had no jets/metering rods to properly calibrate the carbs. The offy tests were in the 10.9:1 a/f ratio range




Offy manifolds are definitely UNDERATED! They do make good power in multiples, but todays technology
kinda tossed undeserving eggs in their faces. The best thing about these manifolds is the flow numbers - they stay close to when it was new. Meaning there is little fuel distribution problems within the manifolds. Some of their manifolds DO need modifications, maybe cause of engine (combination of parts mismatch) design or application ie: street/strip, cruising, all out bracket.


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