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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: @#$%&*!]
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12/19/10 11:48 AM
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Have you give any thought to how this transmission will fit in off-brand applications? If the Ford and GM guys buy them too you might have one hot product on your hands.
No real need to think about it , the off brand guys , GM anyway , have cobbled up the hemi trans in the past , I have seen the input shafts shortened and machined down to fit a GM pilot bushing, so if the 833 fit for them this trans will also .
I'm trying to figure out why the  are muddying this thread? We heard you, it's too expensive for you , get over it and move on.
As said above some of you would still claim it's too expensive even if it were FREE.
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: JohnRR]
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12/19/10 12:15 PM
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Have you give any thought to how this transmission will fit in off-brand applications? If the Ford and GM guys buy them too you might have one hot product on your hands.
No real need to think about it , the off brand guys , GM anyway , have cobbled up the hemi trans in the past , I have seen the input shafts shortened and machined down to fit a GM pilot bushing, so if the 833 fit for them this trans will also .
I'm trying to figure out why the are muddying this thread? We heard you, it's too expensive for you , get over it and move on.
As said above some of you would still claim it's too expensive even if it were FREE.
Either buy it or don't. Simple as that.
I just hope that someone doesn't buy one right away and send it over to China to be knocked off and sold for much less. Are we going to see these trannies lined up on Canal St. with the knock off Prada purses and Rolex watches??
All kidding aside, I would be willing to bet that most of the Mopar people would buy the cheap knockoff not care if it puts the guys who originally produced it at a loss. Just look at the history  ....
Good Luck again, Jamie. I'll buy one and recommend it to my customers.
MB
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: JamiePasson]
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12/19/10 07:41 PM
12/19/10 07:41 PM
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As for the Mcleod unit, being under $3000, I am not doubting this. I could easily make a unit in Korea and sell it for that money and be fine. My standpoint is this: (and I am not getting poetic here.) It is stuff like this that is destroying our Country. Everyone running overseas to make stuff because it is cheaper. That is the reason we are in this situation. Now, I am not cutting their product. That is your God given right to do this. It is my God given right to not do it. The single most important thing to me was to make this unit in the USA. PERIOD. It may sound stupid, but I am VERY proud to do this. Am I cutting out a certain market because of the price? I am sure that I am, BUT it is more important to me to do this here than just contribute to the delinquency that surrounds us. To each his own. If they want to do this, that is up to them. I liken it to motorcycle 6 speeds. We are the Baker, McLeod is the Rev Tech. Plain and simple. The Baker is considerably more money, and in many peoples opinion, is of considerably higher quality. Can everyone afford one? No, that is where the Rev Tech comes in. The only thing with the Rev Tech is that it "just doesn't fit quite right." Again, I am not cutting anyone's product. There was a goal that was laid out when we started this project. It was to make the BEST bolt in USA made 5 speed transmission. I think that we accomplished this. As for the Mcleod being a bolt in? Again, I am not cutting on it, but man, I don't know how one tailhousing with obvious speedo cable issues is gonna fit three different Chrysler platforms. Maybe I am wrong, but we shall see. For the record, I have nothing against McLeod. I do LOVE McLeod clutches. I feel that they are the best on the market, I just don't agree with their rationale on this trans.
Jamie
Hats off to you Jamie.
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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12/20/10 02:06 AM
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Most of you girls that won't buy it at $4300 wouldn't buy it if it was $500.
Sheldon
Now thats a fact.
Most of them don't have a clue what running a high horsepower stick car costs 
I have about $4700.00 from the end of the crank to the front yoke  But I know I can drive it back home from the track after a ten second pass
Gus 
What says that even 3/4's of the people who are going to buy this transmission have high horsepower cars? LOL...or even better, are going drag race them....just a thought
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: mshred]
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12/20/10 04:30 PM
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I tried to justify buying a bike based on what I would save in gas. Didn't work, just not enough good months to ride to make it pencil out. But I bought the bike anyway, because I wanted to. In the same way, I want to save gas driving my car, but I'm not so blind as to think that the cost of the transmission will be saved in fuel. They aren't part of the same equation. The fact is, saving fuel will help after the car is built to keep enjoying it, and as a bonus the 5 speed will make it more enjoyable to drive by updating it. One of the major complaints I have about driving an old car is not having a 5 speed. Also, I'm not looking for a drag box, I want to use the car on the road course after driving it there (without having to swap a pumpkin). My Duster was my DD for years, with a OD trans and 3.21 gears. It was ok, and I will probably drive it that way again when I get it back on the road, but I have been hoping for years that someone would build a box like Jamie is bringing to market. It might be expensive, but it's still far less than buying a new Challenger R/T 6 speed, and gets me closer to having a modern feeling car to drive on a regular basis. I see no reason to complain about the price, I think I will spend my energy trying to find the funds to buy one instead. Jamie, just a suggestion (as if you haven't had enough of those), but what about a reduced capacity box later on? I'm not suggesting an off-shore source, but maybe one with a lower quality gearset but still manufactured here in the states. Maybe even a drop to a 21 spline input to match the lower capacity. I think you were smart to bring this to market at it's best rather than sell a low strength unit and then bring in the mac-daddy, so don't take it as a "you-should-have". I'm just thinking down the line. As was pointed out earlier, there are probably plenty of people that don't need the extra capacity, myself included. Maybe a lighter box would make it work for more people later. At the same time, if we are talking about only a $500 drop in price, maybe it's not worth looking into. To me, the extra $500 would be worth not having to worry about having to buy a "big boy" A-855 when I hit the lottery and swap a 700 hp Gen3 Hemi into the car  . Just a thought.
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15 Challenger R/T 6M STP
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: JamiePasson]
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12/20/10 07:16 PM
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As for the Mcleod being a bolt in? Again, I am not cutting on it, but man, I don't know how one tailhousing with obvious speedo cable issues is gonna fit three different Chrysler platforms.
McLeod at SEMA
Jamie, just for conversation, I found this link on a mustang forum about the McLeod unit. It sounds like they have separate tailhousings and application specific configurations of this transmission for GM, Chrysler and Ford. That's a question they address at this SEMA interview. There's a load of questions to be asked in relation to that. It's easy to describe it in simple terms. Hard to back it up with fit. So few aftermarket parts are a true bolt in experience.
For the record, I am so glad you are building that trans in the USA. Awesome.
I’m listening.
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: Big Bad Bee]
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12/20/10 07:35 PM
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Any plans for a face plated version? I don't see non synchronized being that much of a drawback on the street, and definitely more reliable at the track. Our Land Rovers are non synchronized on 1st (you start out in 1st, too) and 2nd and they are daily drivers. You should see little Michelle going up and down through the gears in her 88. Maybe use something like the road race sliders in a Jerico DR4 which work better on the coast side. Cool product. I like that a potential leak source is gone in the front by not having the countershaft be bored through. The tapered roller bearings should quiet it up by keeping everything that much more in line, which I imagine will elad to more longevity. Lighter too than an original A833 iron case tranny. The 23 spline thing is a non-issue, just get a new disk or have the hub of the disk changed, minor in the whole scheme. As far as price, people need to check out Jericos, Liberty, GForce 5 speeds. Best regards and Merry Christmas, Dave
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: Big Bad Bee]
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12/20/10 09:14 PM
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wow, that mcleod looks nice. it looks strong too. dont see how it is going to fit thou without cutting. it looks to tall.
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70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: Big Bad Bee]
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12/20/10 09:58 PM
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Thigh-Gap Junction
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McLeod at SEMA
Is it just me, or does the layout of the McLoed look just like the Tremec? Could it be that the McLoed is a Tremec knockoff? That would certainly save on design and development cost.
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: JamiePasson]
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12/21/10 10:53 AM
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can you tell us if it has a counter gear or a splined counter shaft? Wider gears and no synchros... maybe straight cut and ratio option? 
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: JamiePasson]
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12/21/10 12:54 PM
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Also, I wouldn't make a lesser quality gear, we would use 8620 steel instead of premium 9310. That would probably knock about $500.00 off. That to me didn't seem significant.
I think you're right, that isn't significant enough to make it worthwhile. Like I said, it was just a thought.
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The problem with doing an 8620 version is that we just DOUBLED the amount of parts that are gonna sit on the shelf. Inventory is money sitting there. That isn't gonna fly with how much we have out on this project.
Jamie
Didn't think about the inventory. Good enough, thank you for the answer.
I keep thinking about how much I wanted a new 6 speed R/T Challenger, and how I stopped thinking about it when I realized that for the money a new car would cost, I could build a sweet Duster or Valiant. For about a 1/4 of the money of an R/T, I could put a late Hemi and your trans in the car and have 80% of what I wanted. In light of that, $4300 is a steal to me.
Thanks!
15 Chrysler 200S 3.6
15 Challenger R/T 6M STP
74 Duster 360 -> original 4 speed car
a.k.a. DionR
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: theclutcher]
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12/21/10 02:22 PM
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The cluster gear is one large gear. Not splined with gears slid on. Let me make this statement. It may save some questions from people. The ratios that we chose are THE ratios. That is all. There are no immediate plans for alternate ratios, dog boxes, straight cut gears, pro shift, face plate etc. Sorry, but again, with the outlayment of money here, when you start talking about straight cut gears, you are adding at least an additional $30,000 into tooling, engineering, etc. Seriously guys. Baby steps here. We need to start to recoup some investment here or else we ain't gonna be around to think about making a straight cut gear trans. Besides, if we did that, people would piss and moan that it is too loud. 
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Re: 5 speed pricing info
[Re: JamiePasson]
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12/21/10 08:55 PM
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Jamie I have just been doing the math and you have quite a HUGE nut out there to cover just for inventory Let alone the cost of tooling,production,materials,shipping... Damn dude   I will do what I can to help you move them If I can unload my Richmond I will give you a buzz  Gus
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