New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1004:03 PM
Well, We are progressing well. The unit will be known as the A-855 5 Speed. We will be debuting the unit at the PRI show next week in Orlando. We are located at Booth 1112.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1005:54 PM
Im fortunate enough to be so far behind schedule on my project that Ill be very interested in hearing more. Ive been waiting for this update for a while now. Thanks Jamie!!!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1008:28 PM
Believe me, I am going to hammer hard. It is of course Made in the USA. We are looking at initially making 100 units. These will be divided between A, B and E Body tails. I should have pricing pretty well finalized by the end of next week.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1008:29 PM
Have you field tested actual units? How many miles/passes are on the test units? What are the HP and TQ ratings?
Nothing worse than Beta testing new products. Just ask Keisler...
Also, Dan Brewer said the CF 18 spline clutches have been on BO for some time. Any word on availability? Sucks to buy a new tranny and have to use a second or third choice of clutches.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1008:47 PM
We are in the testing phases now. That is why I am not going to release them for the better part of 6-7 months. I really can't answer anything about the CF clutches. In my opinion, they are 2nd or 3rd choice. I never liked them. Just my opinion though. To each his own.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1008:50 PM
Hey look at that... Thanks jbc426. I'll get the hang of this computer thing yet! Forgive the bearing retainer bolts missing and sidecover bolts missing. Note the 5 bolt bearing retainer. That covers a tapered roller bearing with an O Ring seal. We went 5 bolt for increased bearing load capacity.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1009:10 PM
Very Nice
On the pricing concept, something I remembered that might pertain. Peachtree Software many years`ago offered a full package accounting software program. It listed around $2800. After selling not many, they remarketed the program at $199?, and sold nearly millions. Not a real fair comparsion, since software has little production cost, but I think you get the picture. Even in a soft economy, if you find sweet price point, you likely will do well, and based on my history with you and your operation, you deserve it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1009:15 PM
JCC, That has been my concept from day one. I would rather sell a LOT and make less per unit than make a lot per unit and not sell many. HOWEVER, software cost is pennies per copy. This is not nearly the same thing. I promise that I am not going to be greedy, but we need to stay in business too.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1009:24 PM
Jamie, I thought you had said at one point that yours was going to use an integrated shifter, now from the pic it looks more like it'll take a stock shifter/rods??
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1009:34 PM
John, Thanks! We made a custom 5 spd HURST shifter and made linkage to clear crossmember and floor. I don't have any pics with the shifter and linkage on. I will take pics at PRI and post them when we get back.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1009:56 PM
We are not using an integrated shifter. If you do that, you are just gonna have another tremec that doesn't fit. It isn't a stock shifter because it is 5 speeds. It is stock arrangement. The shifter and linkage will be part of the package when the transmission is purchased. We are making a 4.35" bearing retainer and a 4.80" bearing retainer. Sorry, no 5.125 OD size. Just not enough call for one. We have an adapter ring available for the 5.125" application though.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/01/1011:22 PM
Quote: Hey look at that... Thanks jbc426. I'll get the hang of this computer thing yet! Forgive the bearing retainer bolts missing and sidecover bolts missing. Note the 5 bolt bearing retainer. That covers a tapered roller bearing with an O Ring seal. We went 5 bolt for increased bearing load capacity.
Wow! Beautiful work. I can hardly wait to "shake it on down into overdrive" with my 3.54's and cruise at 70mph to Hot August Nights or Mopars at the Strip in Las Vegas.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1002:17 AM
Once again an awesome product from Passon Performance So are 1-4 in the side cover with fifth and reverse on the lower(reverse)selector shaft like a Nash/Richmond box? Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1002:56 AM
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Quote: What, no 23 spline????
Why would you do that??? They built the 18 spline because the 23 spline wouldn't hold up to the power,weight,and traction. Gus
But that was with 40? year old materials, I would think today that would be less of an issue, and Passon runs a business that caters to customer driven demands, so if there really is enough demand, why not a 23 spline in the future?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1003:05 AM
Quote: . I really can't answer anything about the CF clutches. In my opinion, they are 2nd or 3rd choice. I never liked them. Just my opinion though. To each his own.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1003:13 AM
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Quote: What, no 23 spline????
Why would you do that??? They built the 18 spline because the 23 spline wouldn't hold up to the power,weight,and traction. Gus
But that was with 40? year old materials, I would think today that would be less of an issue, and Passon runs a business that caters to customer driven demands, so if there really is enough demand, why not a 23 spline in the future?
Did you ever compare the size of the teeth on a 23 spline to an 18 spline gear? The thickness at the root of the tooth is much larger and less prone to failure.The diameter of the drive pinion is also able to take more abuse as well. Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1003:25 AM
Finally a 5 speed option that doesn't require hacking up the car, and coming from a vendor with a great reputation too. I know they won't be cheap but if the price comes in reasonable the demand will be very high.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1003:31 AM
Quote: We are not using an integrated shifter. If you do that, you are just gonna have another tremec that doesn't fit. It isn't a stock shifter because it is 5 speeds. It is stock arrangement. The shifter and linkage will be part of the package when the transmission is purchased. We are making a 4.35" bearing retainer and a 4.80" bearing retainer. Sorry, no 5.125 OD size. Just not enough call for one. We have an adapter ring available for the 5.125" application though.
So the front bearing will be a 307 or something similar?...or will they be tapered rollers? What rear bearing is in there?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1005:14 AM
Very cool. It'll be a while before I can afford something like this, but it is awesome you came up with it. I'm sure it is well worth the wait. Just curious on weight compared to an old one? I have the 23 spline in my car and could care less if I have to change to 18 spline. It just plain makes sense to use the 18 spline. I'm sure his investment costs are already high, so maybe if these sell well he will switch, but once again, why settle for second best. Can't wait to Wonder if I'll bust my knuckles w/ my bench seat
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1003:10 PM
I will try to answer some of the questions I saw. At this time, no 23 spline. If we do that, we are going to lower the torque capacity of the trans significantly. It just doesn't make sense to spend more money to tool up for a weaker design.
There are tapered rollers throughout the trans. Input shaft, mainshaft and cluster gear front and rear. Gear Ratios are
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1003:32 PM
Quote: I will try to answer some of the questions I saw. At this time, no 23 spline. If we do that, we are going to lower the torque capacity of the trans significantly. It just doesn't make sense to spend more money to tool up for a weaker design.
There are tapered rollers throughout the trans. Input shaft, mainshaft and cluster gear front and rear. Gear Ratios are
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1004:32 PM
Jamie...thank you for taking the huge amount of time it must have taken to develop this new transmission alternative for us. I'll be interested in an A-body version. Will the new shifter accept stock looking handles for the 3 different body styles?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1005:00 PM
JD, We will do you one better, the new shifter accepts YOUR stock handle. We are making the shifter in both tower arrangements to accept both press in and bolt on handles. So, you will re-use your handle. You can simply change the ball to a 5 speed ball or the lens in a pistol grip to a 5 speed pattern. OR, for stealth, you don't even need to change the ball or lens. Either way, it is YOUR choice. We are not ramming this down anyone's throat that you MUST use our handle at an additional cost.
We wanted to make this as easy as possible for people. Plus, if you just dropped the money on rechroming your handle, you didn't "waste" that money. You will still be able to use the handle. Now, if anyone doesn't have a handle, we can also provide one, but it is not necessary.
These little details just put this product head and shoulders above ANY other option out there as being a TRUE bolt in with NO Mods. So, you won't look like this guy in order to put the transmission in your car!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1006:57 PM
Quote: Jamie Thank you for making this!
Any idea on an A body version??
Did you miss this ?
Quote: Believe me, I am going to hammer hard. It is of course Made in the USA. We are looking at initially making 100 units. These will be divided between A, B and E Body tails. I should have pricing pretty well finalized by the end of next week.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1008:39 PM
Quote: JD, We will do you one better, the new shifter accepts YOUR stock handle. We are making the shifter in both tower arrangements to accept both press in and bolt on handles. So, you will re-use your handle. You can simply change the ball to a 5 speed ball or the lens in a pistol grip to a 5 speed pattern. OR, for stealth, you don't even need to change the ball or lens. Either way, it is YOUR choice. We are not ramming this down anyone's throat that you MUST use our handle at an additional cost.
We wanted to make this as easy as possible for people. Plus, if you just dropped the money on rechroming your handle, you didn't "waste" that money. You will still be able to use the handle. Now, if anyone doesn't have a handle, we can also provide one, but it is not necessary.
These little details just put this product head and shoulders above ANY other option out there as being a TRUE bolt in with NO Mods. So, you won't look like this guy in order to put the transmission in your car!
Sweet. Anything that can be done to lwer costs and make it easier for guys to afford by reusing stuff is a good thing. Should help get the volume up where it needs to be.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/02/1009:44 PM
Jim, Thats funny. To be honest, the reason the A Body tail was cast first is because that was the car that was apart to the right degree to put on the lift to use. If my Cuda was apart, we would have an E Body first. Sorry to deflate you A Body guys.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1004:27 AM
This is a cool thing Jamie . Now my dream of driving my A12 bee, coast to coast, with the 4.10 dana instead of a 8.75 with 3.23s, could be a reality. The 4.10s would feel like a 2.87 with your .70 overdrive gear. And the 4.56s in my street/strip 67 GTX would be a livable 3.19 for the ride on the highway
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1005:00 AM
6pac, PRECISELY why we did this. We realize that there is no way that you guys are cutting the floor on an original A12 car or any other original car for that matter to put a Tremec in it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1005:33 AM
Quote: 6pac, PRECISELY why we did this. We realize that there is no way that you guys are cutting the floor on an original A12 car or any other original car for that matter to put a Tremec in it.
and I'm stoked! I had planned on a PASSON 4 speed OD but now my Duster will be getting one of these for sure!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1006:04 AM
Now I can plan ahead. I will have to take the 4:56 geared dana that is in in my GTX and put it in my Charger. I will take the 3:54 geared dana that is in my Charger and put it into my GTX. (GTX in an automatic) The 18 spline in my 68 is freshly rebuilt with only 1800 miles on it. I'm anxious to know what the final cost will be for this new 5 speed box so i can decide if I want to trade in my 4 speed HEMI box. Thanks for the effort Jamie and keep us all posted.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1007:08 AM
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Quote: 6pac, PRECISELY why we did this. We realize that there is no way that you guys are cutting the floor on an original A12 car or any other original car for that matter to put a Tremec in it.
and I'm stoked! I had planned on a PASSON 4 speed OD but now my Duster will be getting one of these for sure!
with Jamie and Scott! Some of us already have the 4 speed OD from Passon Performance. It might be time to do the 5 speed thing though...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1001:19 PM
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Quote: 6pac, PRECISELY why we did this. We realize that there is no way that you guys are cutting the floor on an original A12 car or any other original car for that matter to put a Tremec in it.
and I'm stoked! I had planned on a PASSON 4 speed OD but now my Duster will be getting one of these for sure!
x 3! We need to do a remake of the old Aerosmith song
Jamies got a gun. the other OD's are DONE!
Dang...now I'm gonna walk around all day with that song in my head. Somebody that's a little more Weird Al than me can finish it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1005:18 PM
As 446 just said, F Body is the same as A Body. I am not really sure that we can swing making a 5 speed for a diplomat. We would probably sell 4 of them. At some point, we gotta draw the line.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1006:22 PM
Quote: As 446 just said, F Body is the same as A Body. I am not really sure that we can swing making a 5 speed for a diplomat. We would probably sell 4 of them. At some point, we gotta draw the line.
F bodies used A body length A833OD's, so just market the A body as an A/F/J/M trans (:
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1007:18 PM
Quote: ...There are tapered rollers throughout the trans. Input shaft, mainshaft and cluster gear front and rear. Gear Ratios are 2.64/1.92/1.40/1.00/.70 Weight is 105 lbs
Jamie, Thanks for getting this to production, this rulz!!! How do we get on the short list to order one (an A-body version)? Please post the torque capacity and approximate pricing info as soon as you can. Time to start digging through the couch and skimming the kids' piggybanks to add to the project car 5spd slushfund!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1007:45 PM
Jamie, question for you. I will definately be purchasing one of these and probably two, (1 for superbird, 1 for challenger)but curious about the clutch set-up. Are you going to offer a hydraulic system with bellhousing or do I have to use all the mechanical likage? The challenger is an auto now but I am converting it over to a manual. It would make it so much easier not to have to weld a bracket on the frame and get all the z-bar stuff too. Plus a hydraulic would take up less space. Your thoughts?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/03/1008:17 PM
efi, not to speak for Jamie, but whatever you can buy for an 18-spline now will work with the new trans. To me, that's what makes this such a great product.
I had already talked to my son about the 18-spline overdrive that Jamie was already selling to replace the A-body 18-spline that I built for his car. This is even better, although a mild 440 with 3.23 gears in an a-body hardly needs that many forward gears..........
He may be in the market for one in the next couple of years, but I don't think I'll have another four speed car. My Barracuda is getting a 727 behind the 440 so that my wife can drive it and it is SOOOOOOOOOO much cheaper.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/04/1001:49 AM
Whoa! (rubbing eyes) Am I dreaming??? This is so cool. I had no idea Jamie was working on anything like this!
So Jamie, answer PLEASE? Are you going to compete on pricing with the K-word 5 speed conversion package deal or will it likely be more because it is truly a direct fit? Seems like with all the goodies you have to buy to fit a k-word, it gives you some wiggle room on pricing.
No offense to Mr. K. I just want to keep this from being a bashfest.
A cool thing here is that I am collecting parts to swap to an A833 now. I can continue to do this knowing that at some point I can do a simple swap to the Passon 5 speed. Wow.
Are the tailshafts all new or are you using factory stuff?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/04/1003:06 AM
Quote: Who do you think might be torture testing it?...I can't wait
I think a ten second B-body would be a perfect torture test I could have it in my car within 2 hours and burning rubber But it won't be until spring for some true 1/4 mile testing So a west coast or southern track test will be in order. Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/04/1002:29 PM
I didn't even know this was in the works. The masses have been waiting for a direct bolt in 5-speed set-up for a long time and in about the same time frame it looks like we'll have two great choices, one from Passon and one from McLeod! I can't wait to see final specs and pricing. These transmissions will help ensure these old polluters remain on the road well into the future.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/04/1002:54 PM
Quote: I didn't even know this was in the works. The masses have been waiting for a direct bolt in 5-speed set-up for a long time and in about the same time frame it looks like we'll have two great choices, one from Passon and one from McLeod! I can't wait to see final specs and pricing. These transmissions will help ensure these old polluters remain on the road well into the future.
The pictures I have seen of the McLeod do not lead me to believe it will be a direct bolt in like the Passon , plus it's a RACE box meaning I don't think it has syncros , not going to be street friendly .
Here is the Chrysler Box for an E body , That shifter rail that goes forward is right where the T bar Xmeber would be .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/04/1004:35 PM
Quote: I didn't even know this was in the works. The masses have been waiting for a direct bolt in 5-speed set-up for a long time and in about the same time frame it looks like we'll have two great choices, one from Passon and one from McLeod! I can't wait to see final specs and pricing. These transmissions will help ensure these old polluters remain on the road well into the future.
The Passon unit is built in AMERICA and the Mcleod unit is built,lets say overseas Gus
I didn't realize the M-800 wasn't going to have synchros?!?
The little bit I've seen online about this transmission was that it was suppose to be a "direct fit", as in not having to modify the cars panels to get it to work.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/04/1011:37 PM
Quote: The little bit I've seen online about this transmission was that it was suppose to be a "direct fit", as in not having to modify the cars panels to get it to work.
Look above at what JohnRR said, he's right, there looks to be an obvious interferance area unless something fairly significant changes. Besides, with Jamies trans you've got Jamie to deal with direct, not some no name saleman for a big company, not to mention Jamie's looks more original and will probably be stronger. No brainer decision IMO.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/05/1012:36 PM
I guess time will tell. I am not disagreeing, however if it's being marketed as a direct fit / no modification necessary piece, I would have thought they'd install it in a few different cars of each chassis to double check. I doubt I'll afford either one, but it sure is nice they will be available. After they are tried and proven a bit I'll likely sell off some of my extra stuff and get one (maybe two?). The thought of 4.30:1 rear gears and still being able to cruise down the highway sure is mouth watering.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/05/1003:26 PM
Quote: I guess time will tell. I am not disagreeing, however if it's being marketed as a direct fit / no modification necessary piece, I would have thought they'd install it in a few different cars of each chassis to double check. I doubt I'll afford either one, but it sure is nice they will be available. After they are tried and proven a bit I'll likely sell off some of my extra stuff and get one (maybe two?). The thought of 4.30:1 rear gears and still being able to cruise down the highway sure is mouth watering.
So was a certian other companies 5 speed swap , we saw how that turned out in more than one case.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/05/1003:44 PM
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Quote: I guess time will tell. I am not disagreeing, however if it's being marketed as a direct fit / no modification necessary piece, I would have thought they'd install it in a few different cars of each chassis to double check. I doubt I'll afford either one, but it sure is nice they will be available. After they are tried and proven a bit I'll likely sell off some of my extra stuff and get one (maybe two?). The thought of 4.30:1 rear gears and still being able to cruise down the highway sure is mouth watering.
So was a certian other companies 5 speed swap , we saw how that turned out in more than one case.
Sorry Gene ...
Those other guys are also coming out with a new 5 speed that's made in house, I think it's called an RS 600.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/05/1004:25 PM
This new transmission takes these old cars to a whole new level.
There should be no doubt as to the DIRECT fit and finish of this product.
It should take about 2 hours if you have an 18 spline in the car already. Do that with a tremec or some other illegitimate variant
If you don't know by now...I am very picky of what hardware I put on my car as it goes very fast on the roadcourse.[55 - 130 mph] Speed will hurt or worse kill you if you are not respectful of it. A bad transmission will spin you faster than you can imagine-I rode out a spinout thru the "bus stop or inner loop" at Watkins Glen in a 66 mustang track car [race car] who trans failed at about 110 mph. I was the willing passenger...I have to have hardware I can trust so I can survive my yearly driving experience.
I do annual drag strip runs as well to check mph and hard straight-line performance. Tire spins and everything. 12.20-12.80 @113 mph, 3450 lbs with driver
I currently have an Passon Aluminum over drive 4 speed in my pos and it has worked...flawlessy. Before the OD 4sp I had a Passon aluminum 2.66 1st gear 4 speed. Before that I had a Passon iron case 2.66 1st gear 4sp.
Before Jamie Passon I had 4 speeds that made noise and vibrated the shifter handle and car. I am now closing in on a 100,000 miles of 4 speeds...now all I get is a big smile.
We are talking a lot of regular miles on all of these transmissions and a whole bunch of laps at the "glen". If a more detailed endorsement is required I have on record [log book] of how many miles of road & track the Passon products have seen. Of course the info will cost money as not everything is free including transmissions from Jamie.
I await the next generation transmission from Jamie like a kid on christmas eve.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/05/1006:08 PM
Hello...will you have everything to install the 5-speed into a 71-74 B-body with a bench seat? Do you use a different shaped Dog Bone or the original dog bone bracket to locate the shifter correctly? Thanks!...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/06/1001:59 AM
We have not hashed out the late B body mount and linkage yet. As for cost, I am going to make you wait a bit longer. I am not jerking you guys around, but I have a production meeting tomorrow and we should have the final costs for all components. I can then set a retail price. We are leaving for the PRI show Tuesday. I may need to see if someone reasonably local wants to be a ginea pig for bench seat 71-4 B linkage mockup... Any takers? You would need an enclosed trailer likely because it will be a winter thing. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/06/1003:19 PM
All I can say is that unless McLeod make some SIGNIFICANT changes, I can't see how it is gonna be a bolt in piece. I am not saying anything bad about it. It is a nice looking trans, but I am not sure that two different tails will fit ALL GM cars, ALL Ford Cars and ALL Chrysler cars. I am just stating that the measurements that I took don't seem to measure up to fitting with no mods. We will see though. Jamie
O.K., Some pricing information. After MUCH back and forth, figuring, refiguring and trying to trim where we could without sacrificing quality, we are looking at $4295.00 for a retail price on the unit.
Now, I want to explain a little about this. This cost will cover the transmission, shifter, shifter linkage, mount plate and speedometer cable extension. This is all that is needed. Any other parts if you are switching an auto car, we can provide, but they are not needed, so therefore we didn't include them.
Please keep in mind that this unit is Made in USA. It was designed here, and is being built here by mopar people that are deicated to bringing you the highest quality parts possible. It is without doubt a premium driveline piece. All gears and shafts are made from aircraft quality 9310 alloy steel. Unfortunately, this costs money. Believe me, We are being as fair as we can on this, considering this will bolt in as it is supposed to and you are not going to have to cut your car up.
I dont think that pricing is out of line for what you are selling. For a transmission that has been designed for use in our old chrysler products with shifter and all of the extra needed parts I call it a deal! When will you be taking orders on this great new product?
Hi i was wondering what the gear ratios will be are the same as the HEMI trans ratio wise? Are they close or wide ratio are there going to options ? Sorry if this is off the main topic . CJ
$4295,a good deal.LOL,boy some of you guys must have a fat pocket.I dont care if its made in Maine,Spaine or Spokane and made out of the same material that the Transformers are made out of,by Union Workers,its priced too high.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1003:32 AM
was also waiting for price , and thinking after seeing it about the movie used cars when he says THATS TOO ******* HIGH(youtube it). can i ask honestly what do you have ivested per unit. ill guess 300-400 in alum castings and 800-1200 in hard parts/assembly. was thinking this could be sold for 3,250 and still make 2x your $$. yes i know you have to buy large quainities of the parts from for tooling shop to make them and be worth while=lots of your$ invested. and i dont this this part adding any value to restored 4spd car. but i do think its awesome and fun part,for modified cars.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1003:51 AM
I have been following this thread for a while as well. 4250 does seem high when you hear it.... Let me say this first I am not rich at all however 5 speed conversions do not come cheap I was continuously messing up 727s and running 3500 RPMs going down the highway I bite the bullet and converted to tko 600 from Keisler! While it's a nice unit the pricing is let's just say more then you expect! If I would have had the option to go with this unit from Jamie for around the same price with less install work and hassle this would be the choice I would have made! No offense to shafi or gene great guys gene has helped me on the phone many times. However I like many others wish the price was cheaper but it's not far off of the rest of the group!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1003:52 AM
Quote: was also waiting for price , and thinking after seeing it about the movie used cars when he says THATS TOO ******* HIGH(youtube it). can i ask honestly what do you have ivested per unit. ill guess 300-400 in alum castings and 800-1200 in hard parts/assembly. was thinking this could be sold for 3,250 and still make 2x your $$. yes i know you have to buy large quainities of the parts from for tooling shop to make them and be worth while=lots of your$ invested. and i dont this this part adding any value to restored 4spd car. but i do think its awesome and fun part,for modified cars.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1004:09 AM
Quote:
Quote: was also waiting for price , and thinking after seeing it about the movie used cars when he says THATS TOO ******* HIGH(youtube it). can i ask honestly what do you have ivested per unit. ill guess 300-400 in alum castings and 800-1200 in hard parts/assembly. was thinking this could be sold for 3,250 and still make 2x your $$. yes i know you have to buy large quainities of the parts from for tooling shop to make them and be worth while=lots of your$ invested. and i dont this this part adding any value to restored 4spd car. but i do think its awesome and fun part,for modified cars.
I did utube it, lmao
are you kidding i dont know any car guys that dont think that movie is not funny
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1005:44 AM
Hemigod, Since you ask, the manufacturing cost on this unit with shifter and linkage is $3865. Please keep in mind that this was developed from a clean sheet of paper. We didn't take an off the shelf trans and try to make a bunch of crossmembers and bellhousings and try to jam it into a muscle car. These things cost money. Believe me, I wish it would have been cheaper to build, but the fact is that it wasn't.
I'm not gonna sit here and lie to anyone. we are in this to make a profit. Although, I love this stuff, we need to eat too. It seems that too many times, people want a stellar product and expect companies to design, develop and manufacture the product and not make any money.
Lets face it... If this was easy or cheap to do, then why has NO ONE stepped up to the plate yet? We were the first. Would I like to make more on it, sure, but I feel that $4295.00 is a fair price when considering the options. This is what we need to sell the unit for to continue the project. Most of the feedback I have gotten has been positive, some negative. That is to be expected. I just want everyone to know where we are coming from on our pricing.
I would like to take this time to thank everyone that supported us on this project and those that continue to support us. I realize that this transmission is expensive and it isn't for everyone. But truth be told, we are really right around the same costs as the "others" out there, and this requires no mods to the car. Also, it is a true afternoon swap. In my book, there is value added to the product because of this fact. Hopefully others will agree there. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1006:26 AM
Do I wish they were less expensive? Sure I do! Who wouldn't? Will I still buy one? Absalutely, especially after seeing all of the other dissapointing choices (most of which cost more money to boot).
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1007:11 AM
Quote: Hemigod, Since you ask, the manufacturing cost on this unit with shifter and linkage is $3865. Please keep in mind that this was developed from a clean sheet of paper. We didn't take an off the shelf trans and try to make a bunch of crossmembers and bellhousings and try to jam it into a muscle car. These things cost money. Believe me, I wish it would have been cheaper to build, but the fact is that it wasn't.
I'm not gonna sit here and lie to anyone. we are in this to make a profit. Although, I love this stuff, we need to eat too. It seems that too many times, people want a stellar product and expect companies to design, develop and manufacture the product and not make any money.
Lets face it... If this was easy or cheap to do, then why has NO ONE stepped up to the plate yet? We were the first. Would I like to make more on it, sure, but I feel that $4295.00 is a fair price when considering the options. This is what we need to sell the unit for to continue the project. Most of the feedback I have gotten has been positive, some negative. That is to be expected. I just want everyone to know where we are coming from on our pricing.
I would like to take this time to thank everyone that supported us on this project and those that continue to support us. I realize that this transmission is expensive and it isn't for everyone. But truth be told, we are really right around the same costs as the "others" out there, and this requires no mods to the car. Also, it is a true afternoon swap. In my book, there is value added to the product because of this fact. Hopefully others will agree there. Thanks, Jamie
thanks thats what i needed to hear,just had to push you a little to get it. and theres no way id think of tko tremic stuff.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1002:26 PM
Hemigod, Thanks for your understanding. I also appreciate that you didn't attack us. You asked a legitimate question. We had a legitimate answer. Things go so much easier when it goes that way. Truth be told, I can't believe that this post has not turned into a Passon vs. Keisler thing. I am glad that it didn't. As you know, these can get UGLY.
Anyone that is going to the PRI show, feel free to stop by and introduce yourself. we are at booth 1112. I will be happy to try answer any questions that you have. We are going to be out of the shop from tonight until Sunday night. Please be patient on returned calls and e-mails.
Also, a number of people have stated that they are interested in getting on a list for a unit. If this is the case, pm me with your name, phone number, and year and type of car that you have. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1004:01 PM
"the manufacturing cost on this unit with shifter and linkage is $3865"
Can you define "manufacturing costs"? Does that include R&D or other sunk costs? I am trying to do some math since if your cost to make the trans is $3865, a 9-10% premium does not seem like it should cover your other expenses as well as R&D. I am just curious, what types of costs are lumped into the "manufacturing cost". Thanks Jamie!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1004:19 PM
The transmission looks great! Any pictures of the E-body unit with the shifter and linkage installed? The only downside I see is the price point, but being a truly bolt in unit that definitely adds value, as doing being built in the USA. Will the torque rating be higher than that of the Tremec units?
Just an FYI if the Mcleod unit does turn out to be a bolt in unit they will be stiff competition as they claimed at SEMA the price of their unit will be around $3300 for the Mopar unit, but they are having a synchro problem at the moment from what they told me at SEMA and I heard from another source they are getting into some litigation over the gears.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1004:27 PM
Torque rating is 650 ft./lbs. However, the design capacity for the unit is 750+. I am rating it at 650 now. As testing continues, it is likely that we will be able to raise this number. However, I am not going to go out and say that it can take "over 1000 ft./lbs of torque" like "others" have done. I would rather rate it conservatively and increase the number later than end up with a bunch of broken stuff.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1004:44 PM
A note on manufacturing costs. Since we are looking to recoup the development costs over a period of time. We have absorbed these costs in the interim. Obvious costs are materials and machining.
As for the crossmember and driveshaft, you can handle the driveshaft at any local driveshaft shop. Different cars take different crossmembers, so there is not one crossmember price.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1006:35 PM
This trans ain't for everybody. It's geared toward (pun intended) guys with original 4-speed cars so valuable that they can't modify them for a Tremec. Therefore the price is not an issue.
It's too high for me because I can't justify putting a $4300 trans in a $3000 C-body.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1007:02 PM
Quote: It's too high for me because I can't justify putting a $4300 trans in a $3000 C-body.
x2!, only I have mostly A-bodies & B-bodies. Being that you reuse your shifter handle and belhousing/flywheel/clutch set-up and what you are purchasing is the transmission itself and the specific operating hardware unique to this transmission only I was hoping for a ~$3,250.00 sticker price and was pretty much expecting $4,750.00. Heh.
Quote: it's a RACE box meaning I don't think it has syncros, not going to be street friendly.
Quote: Just an FYI if the Mcleod unit does turn out to be a bolt in unit they will be stiff competition as they claimed at SEMA the price of their unit will be around $3300 for the Mopar unit, but they are having a synchro problem at the moment from what they told me at SEMA and I heard from another source they are getting into some litigation over the gears.
I thought the McLeod transmission was not going to be street friendly because it had no synchros?!?!
I guess time will tell if the McLeod is everything they have been promising for years or if this RS600 surfaces.
Congrat's to Passon on a making what appears to be a solid product. I really like how it looks semi-original (enough to fool most), and how you use the correct shifter handle of the vehicle it goes into for that original look as well. Too bad I don't own a forest full of money tress.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1007:56 PM
I dont know Jamie and never dealt with him but from the tone of his posts he is a true gentleman and someone that I will look to do business with in the future.
I have been collecting parts, information and pricing on two automatic to manual conversions over the past year. A 76 Corvette and a 1956 Dodge. I have a good idea of what things cost to do this swap yourself without buying a kit.
If you were going to use another 5 speed like a TKO and had to replace your bellhousing, clutch, driveshaft, install a hyd clutch setup, speedometer cable, crossmember, wiring, etc it will cost you about $2000. (I will share my T56 conversion spereadsheet with my research, prices an sources with anyone who wants it) plus $2200 for a TKO transmission. (maybe go with a T45 for about $1600 or so). So a bolt in swap that fits, does not require cutting, preserves original looks and can take high HP applications for the same cost is a GREAT deal.
It is a fact of life, manufacturing in expensive in the US and quality does not come cheap.
Here is an idea for Jamie............ go ahead and find a Chineese or Indian manufacturer and commission inexpensive knockoff and offer a second tier option. This way you can sell two, the first one when the customer wants to do it cheap, and a second one when they decide to do it right.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1010:13 PM
Quote:
Here is an idea for Jamie............ go ahead and find a Chineese or Indian manufacturer and commission inexpensive knockoff and offer a second tier option. This way you can sell two, the first one when the customer wants to do it cheap, and a second one when they decide to do it right.
Scott
You're joking, right?
Also, you have China do it, they'll just steal the specs and then ProComp or Eagle will sell it as their own.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/1010:27 PM
Well all that they have to do is buy one and reverse engineer it like they do with everything else. If someone was inclined to copy the part its quite hard ($$$) to stop them. welcome to the Global economy. Scott
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1012:54 AM
Jamie, Thanks for posting the price and being so free with information that you as a manufacturer have absolutely NO obligation to share. I think it's a fair price considering. Some of us will just save our $$$. I hope the guys with the bucks step up bigtime and buy.
One thing I love about old mopars is the "Snick-Snick!" feel of the hurst shifter. I'd rather have that feel than the foreign feel of a modern T-5 trans and shifter.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1001:02 AM
Quote: Jamie, Thanks for posting the price and being so free with information that you as a manufacturer have absolutely NO obligation to share.
+1, not many businessmen would do this. Though it's out of my price range, it appears to be a fair price. "Made in USA" is definitely worth something, and if I had the coin, I'd order one!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1001:39 AM
Quote: I dont know Jamie and never dealt with him but from the tone of his posts he is a true gentleman and someone that I will look to do business with in the future.
I'm considering getting one and I have "just an a-body" the car is suppose to be fun and a 5-speed would be icing on the cake.
You only go around once and I don't find any of the other options appealing.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1002:35 AM
I have experience with jammie from back into the 90's and never had a bad experience. I believe this 5 speed will be a good unit and look forward to buying one as soon as i can. The fact that he is sharing his cost with us here is something i dont even think anyone would expect him to do, no one else would have. my opinion is that if someone thinks its too much just dont buy it. Thats what i tell everyone who complains about my parts. When you do the best job you can building something and are honest about everything and some one complains its too much its easy to tell them to buy it some where else because you have nothing to hide and more than likely they are the ones who ,if you finally convinced them to buy it , would come back complaining and making life difficult because they are upset that they spent the cash on it and some how its your fault.
I have a T56 in one of my cars and have installed a tko 5 speed kit into a dart. I would still pick this 5 speed over both if it works like it sounds like it will.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1004:05 AM
The people that would really benefit from this transmission are the people that already have an 18 spline box in the car now.There are so many guys out there with 4.10 gears in the rear that don't like to drive long distance because of cooling problems and or fuel consumption issues.Enter the Passon 5-speed now you can stab this tranny in your HEMI GTX with a 4.10 Dana and drive it ANYWHERE! All you guys whining about transmission cost obviously haven't priced a "strong" gearbox that will take an extreme beating and still come back for more. I put a Richmond in my car because there wasn't an option like this available at the time I have over $3000 in the trans and all the stuff to make it work in my car with some extensive modifications to my torsion bar crossmember all of which all could have been avoided with this wonderful tranny Now if I could only sell my Richmond to buy this new box Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication to bring your vision to to life Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1005:11 AM
I just read through this entire post and I'm surprised how civil it has stayed. I almost choked on my Coke when I saw that the markup is only 10%. That is almost unheard of, most every other manufacturer would be at least 25%. When I worked at a Dodge dealer they added 10% to the RETAIL price. Jamie has produced a top notch piece that fits without cutting and is Made in the USA, all I can say is GOOD JOB.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1005:12 AM
Jamie, I've been gathering parts just in anticipation of the release of your tranny. Wish it cost less, but I think the price is fair and I will save up until I can afford one. (I think I will have the bucks by the time you actually release it in late spring.) I'm doing an auto to stick conversion on a '70 SB Dart. I'm going to need a clutch and flywheel. Can you give me some idea of what you would recommend and what the cost would be? I'm going to run a hydraulic system to actuate the stock fork and bearing. The motor makes 335 lb/ft and 317HP at the rear wheels. Might "grow" to 400 someday, but that's about it. Also, what are your thoughts on running an aluminum flywheel? It sees mostly street (and the occasional CA canyon) driving. Drag strip once or twice a year just for fun. Just trying to get a feel for what the total price is going to be.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1005:31 AM
4300 wouldn't seem as bad if we hadn't given away all the good paying jobs for the masses to a place with ZERO standards for anything.
Compare to the cost of getting an 18 spline, getting it rebuilt, and this really isn't too bad for all new parts made where we value standards for many aspects of life and also take some pride in what we make. Or used to that is.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1007:11 AM
People will spend thousands to eak out an extra 50-100hp.
I think if going from an automatic to this transmission, I'd rather have fun rowing my own than that extra 50-100hp. Your car would feel fast still, but be a lot of fun.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1003:54 PM
Quote: 4300 wouldn't seem as bad if we hadn't given away all the good paying jobs for the masses to a place with ZERO standards for anything.
Compare to the cost of getting an 18 spline, getting it rebuilt, and this really isn't too bad for all new parts made where we value standards for many aspects of life and also take some pride in what we make. Or used to that is.
I concur. I think if there's a viable alternative to a Chinese product that is made in America at a higher cost, we should always, within our means, go w/the more expensive, American product.
We need to support our fellow Americans; we'll be all better off.
The Wal-Mart mentality of buying everything as cheap as possible is destroying this country.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1011:11 PM
I agree with the above statement. $4,200.00 is a far cry from $2,500.00, but your opinion is noted. I'm sure $2,500.00 is reasonable to almost anyone, but $4,200.00 is more then some of us have into some of our cars. I'm not saying it isn't going to be the best choice for for restored Mopar. Just like everything else I buy I want to make sure I'm getting the maximum part per dollar spent that best suits my particular wants. Sometimes that means I don't need the best piece on the market.
I am not here to ruffle feathers or to play the flip side on every situation. I also apologize for going off topic now that this thread has been moved, but the whole buy American or nothing is getting a little old at times. Don't get me wrong, I love and served for this great nation and given the choice between two products of similar quality/price I'll buy the American made product everytime. But with (say) vehicles, why would I spend my hard earned money an inferior vehicle. It's no secret that the import vehicles are years ahead of the domestics in terms of pretty much everything. The good news is for the first time in a long time at least a couple of the domestics are waking up and starting to actually build some quality made products to compete globally again. My only gripe is when is Chrysler going to follow suit? America needs to get back to making superior products that can compete at global prices. In my opinion we still have a ways to go.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/08/1011:33 PM
Quote: I'm sure $2,500.00 is reasonable to almost anyone, but $4,200.00 is more then some of us have into some of our cars.
I find that hard to fantom as I'm told its impossible to have less than $10,000 in a restored Mopar.
I have "about" or slightly less that in my 1974 Duster 360 and that is with me doing the bulk of the work.
So folks which is it?
For a "limited edition" clean sheet of paper transmission that fits in an old school car without mods I find it reasonable.
How much is a 5 or 6 speed trans in a viper or other limited production car that will be made in far greater numbers?
$2000-$3000 and it won't fit without heavy mods?
$4200 seems like a steal to me and it really wans't that long ago that such a item was beyond consideration. Many people forget that not long ago there was no aftermarket for Mopars, you scrounged through junkyards and used parts ads looking for stuff.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1012:53 AM
Just for fun I priced a new Richmond 5-speed and on the Summit site it costs over $4100.00 without the shifter,add about $500.00 for a good shifter and linkage.Now you will need a T400 yoke and a longer driveshaft,custom make your crossmember and mount,whack a huge hole in your floor,cut and box your torsion crossmember...Or you can just bolt in a trans that will equal or surpass the strength of the Richmond box. Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1002:54 AM
I dunno, I got my 65 Cuda for $2k and I have about that much more into it in parts and whatnot.
I'd love a 5 speed in it and if I get one it will be Jaime's, but (you knew that was coming) I simply do not have that kind of cash to spend especially when you consider my $2k more includes two A833OD's.
If I had the money, and time to be honest, to build my Cuda the way I want it Jaime's trans would be part of the equation. But life gets in the way.
Who knows, I have 4 kids and soon three will be out of the house leaving just the boy, so I might have the money then, assuming I don;t spend it all on Nerf G-U-N-s for him, lol..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1004:06 AM
I get it because I have an empty nest now as my son moved out on his own I dropped about 6500 on my car last year and I already had the trans and rear done from the year before I just really think that if you are putting down some big torque in a heavy car this tranny is the best choice. Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1002:04 PM
Quote: I find that hard to fantom as I'm told its impossible to have less than $10,000 in a restored Mopar.
I have "about" or slightly less that in my 1974 Duster 360 and that is with me doing the bulk of the work.
I never said my Mopars were restored. You must have misunderstood what I posted.
So folks which is it?
Me, the Mopar guys I hang around, and SuperCuda I guess. Surely there is more then just us?!?!
Quote: Many people forget that not long ago there was no aftermarket for Mopars, you scrounged through junkyards and used parts ads looking for stuff.
Once again this is still how some of us build our Mopars.
To date the Mopar I've paid the most for is $6,100.00 and I don't have much more then that into at this point (~$7,000.00). It was a rust free and straight 1968 Coronet coupe that was a driver as purchased in 2008 with a built 1968 440 HP2 engine, 4-speed manual in it all set-up with quite a few aftermarket add ons,nice aluminum wheels, and a Super Bee hood. It was bought from a swap meet after "thinking about it" for a day and a half so it's not like I scored a deal nobody else could have bought.
Even the supercharged (small B&M roots type supercharger) 1972 Dart was less then that to build, though honestly not much.
Shoot me an e-mail at: daniel_depetro@yahoo.com and I'll send you a bunch of car porn of some of our toys past and present. All of which have been built for less then the ~$7,000.00 I have into the 1968 Coronet coupe so far.
My point from my earlier post was that not everyone has a fully restored show car. Some of us have to compromise between function and price.
Since a few members mention strength my curiousity piqued a bit. Anyone know an aprox. "torque rating" that the 23-spline & 18-spline A-833 would have been?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1004:01 PM
Quote: Hemigod, Since you ask, the manufacturing cost on this unit with shifter and linkage is $3865. Please keep in mind that this was developed from a clean sheet of paper. We didn't take an off the shelf trans and try to make a bunch of crossmembers and bellhousings and try to jam it into a muscle car. These things cost money. Believe me, I wish it would have been cheaper to build, but the fact is that it wasn't.
I'm not gonna sit here and lie to anyone. we are in this to make a profit. Although, I love this stuff, we need to eat too. It seems that too many times, people want a stellar product and expect companies to design, develop and manufacture the product and not make any money.
Lets face it... If this was easy or cheap to do, then why has NO ONE stepped up to the plate yet? We were the first. Would I like to make more on it, sure, but I feel that $4295.00 is a fair price when considering the options. This is what we need to sell the unit for to continue the project. Most of the feedback I have gotten has been positive, some negative. That is to be expected. I just want everyone to know where we are coming from on our pricing.
I would like to take this time to thank everyone that supported us on this project and those that continue to support us. I realize that this transmission is expensive and it isn't for everyone. But truth be told, we are really right around the same costs as the "others" out there, and this requires no mods to the car. Also, it is a true afternoon swap. In my book, there is value added to the product because of this fact. Hopefully others will agree there. Thanks, Jamie
great product, very fair price...for all the schmucks who say it's too high, you have no idea the amount of cost tooling up something like this is, especially on a low volume. I'm sure if Jamie had a projected volume of say, 50k units a year, it would be about half the price, due to being able to spread the tooling cost over a number of additional units, or changing manufacturing processes...
when I worked at a shifter manufacturer, I worked on the design for the 6 speed Holden Commodore. projected volume was 1500 units/yr. that low of volume required making a number of pieces out of machined stock vs. a die casting or forging, because it was just too expensive to make a $20k+ tool for 1500 units annually. the base was sand cast aluminum with a ton of secondary machining that was over $20 our cost, but that was cheaper than our typical die cast aluminum or powedered metal tower (with no secondary machining) riveted onto a sheetmetal base, because you couldn't amortize the dies over only 1500 units annually....on some of the rubber and plastic molded parts, it was cheaper to make a new prototype level tool that would last for about 2000 shots every year than a full production type tool over the life of the project. IIRC that shifter, our cost was over $100. if it were a projected 30k units a year, we probably could have made it for ~$30, maybe less.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1004:24 PM
Since when does every manufacturer need to produce parts that absolutely everyone can afford? I had a $300 truck once - should I be able to buy everything needed for that truck for less than $300? It's not the manufacturer's problem that people buy inexpensive cars and then want cheap "mods" as well. This transmission is an aftermarket/non-stock piece with a pretty specific purpose. If it fits within your requirements then buy it. There are cheaper ways to get an overdrive trans - although, most all have some sort of drawback - so, if budget is your primary concern then that's part of your requirements that this trans doesn't meet. Pretty simple if you ask me.
I personally think it's a great idea. I am not a fabricator and I don't like cutting holes in my floors or modifying original parts to make something fit. I like to pull a part out of the box knowing it will fit without any hassle. My time is worth something - and so is frustration (or lack thereof). I hate not being able to drive my preferred speed on the highway because I have gears that are more fun going stoplight to stoplight. Since I drive a lot on the highway, I have to compromise and deal with horrendous performance around town.
My cars already have 18 spline transmissions in them so I don't need to buy a whole lot of extra parts for a conversion (already did it). I guess one could see that as a drawback since I could sell the original pieces to offset the cost of a different conversion. However, a 5-speed is NOT a necessity so I could choose to deal with what I have a save a lot of money. If I have the budget when I get to that point on my current project I will buy one because it's what I want and it's actually available. I may have to buy cheaper wheels I guess...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1006:03 PM
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Quote:
Here is an idea for Jamie............ go ahead and find a Chineese or Indian manufacturer and commission inexpensive knockoff and offer a second tier option. This way you can sell two, the first one when the customer wants to do it cheap, and a second one when they decide to do it right.
Scott
You're joking, right?
Also, you have China do it, they'll just steal the specs and then ProComp or Eagle will sell it as their own.
But that's what the mASSes want, look how they flock to these cheap ripoffs and do not care one bit that someone elses design was ripped off because it's cheap.
I have an original Big block A body 4 speed car , is the trans expensive , yes , but I don't want to cut on my car at all and I want to keep the steep gears in it .
For those that don't like the price Jamie does have a lower cost altenative already , the 4 speed OD gear set that fits in your current trans case .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1006:04 PM
Quote: Well all that they have to do is buy one and reverse engineer it like they do with everything else. If someone was inclined to copy the part its quite hard ($$$) to stop them. welcome to the Global economy. Scott
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1006:10 PM
Patrick makes valid points that many of us don't comprehend. Tooling can be amazingly expensive but this is all CNC work for the guts of the transmission. The case and tail housing are not considered in that last statement. One item that many don't assume a cost for is marketing. Also, the cost of money. To stock inventory cost's money, usage taxes....etc. It all adds up. Also, you would not believe the cost per month to advertise in our monthly magazines. Talk about expensive..... To me the price is not out of line.
I wish Jaime well in this transmission, I'm sure it will be a quality product as are all his products. Best of luck.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1006:19 PM
Jamie , couple of questions , I know they won't get answered till next week .
1) What mount location will the B/E trans have , I assume the 70 up location? I never bought your B/E tail for the alum case I bought.
2) If someone bought say the A body trans and wanted to change it at a later date to the B/E would it be possible to buy a mainshaft and tailhousing, or send it in to have it retro fitted ?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1009:32 PM
Jamie, I myself personally thank you for not only developing a quality piece from scratch and keeping us well informed along the way, but also for graciously answering all the questions that have put to you. You could've just as easily said,'Look, here it is, take it or leave it.' Much thanks to you and your crew, and I look forward to owning one of these units and the experience of dealing with y'all.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1010:47 PM
Quote: Once again this is still how some of us build our Mopars.
And you think mine is different?
I have rebuilt the motor, trans and rear diff myself with a generous helping of elbow grease combined with combing sale ads and ebay for the best prices for used and new parts (as needed)
The body was stripped down by me and everything was referb'd by me with the exception of the paint.
The most expensive "hard parts" on my Duster is the $700 heads from Hughes. The shortblock was from a '94 Dodge van that was rebuilt in a shed along with the trans and rear diff. The car even still has the original torque converter.
I'd not call the car "show" more of a clean driver.
I can make a buck go pretty darn far and I find Mr. Passon's transmission price to be more than fair considering the clean sheet design and projected sales numbers (or lack thereof).
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/10/1012:30 AM
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Quote: Well all that they have to do is buy one and reverse engineer it like they do with everything else. If someone was inclined to copy the part its quite hard ($$$) to stop them. welcome to the Global economy. Scott
Looks beautiful to me. Materials upgrade. Engineering improvements. High torque capacity. Bolt in, no hacking. Trade ins accepted. MADE IN USA. Reasonable price.
Can we see the insides? Hats off Jamie, looks good.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/10/1002:47 PM
Quote: I'm sure $2,500.00 is reasonable to almost anyone, but $4,200.00 is more then some of us have into some of our cars. I'm not saying it isn't going to be the best choice for for restored Mopar. Just like everything else I buy I want to make sure I'm getting the maximum part per dollar spent that best suits my particular wants. Sometimes that means I don't need the best piece on the market.
Lots of you guys don't realize that there are lots of us guys that can't justify a $4200 trans because we can't afford $15-20,000 to invest in an old car. I have 4 cars and $4200 equals lots of new tires, disc brake swaps, suspension rebuilds, interior work, etc, to spread amongst all of them. It also equals 4 months of house payments in this bad economy, which is why they don't all have disc brakes, new tires and new interiors. We make priorities and choices.
Jamie - I'm glad you're out there and glad you made this trans a reality (I work for a transmission manufacturer so I'm kinda proud of you, too! ). If I stumble into a chunk of money you'll get some business from me.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/10/1011:38 PM
I'm building a street/strip A-body. With a 650 ft/lb rating, would it live behind a 600 HP 505 with a soft-lock clutch and slicks? Projected race weight is 3200 lb w/driver.
Also, with syncros, I'm assuming it will speed shift about the same as the A-833, just over 6000 RPM?
Which is precisely where this very thread started until the mods moved it after it was going. I've never wished ill fate on Jamie or his company or said his transmission was not a good product.
Quote: Which is precisely where this very thread started until the mods moved it after it was going. I've never wished ill fate on Jamie or his company or said his transmission was not a good product.
Actually was in the question and answer one ... i think
I drove my demon 7,000 miles this Summer. A lot of highway driving too which, because of the 3:55 gear, meant reving it longer and higher than I wanted to. Also, the gas mileage sropped significantly at those speeds. The way I look at it, the new 5-speed will not only allow me to drive the car on the highway at a reasonable speed (most cars go 80 around here), but increase the mileage and reduce significant wear on the engine. I like to drive my cars (when they are road worthy lol) and I know in time it will pay for itself. Just my .02
i understand its expensive to clean sheet design something but at $4300 for just a trans it mine as well be $43,000 for most of us REAL people
for the average guy who actually builds his car with his own hands instead of his cell phone and credit card this is out of reach and out of touch with the market
not knocking the product but for me and im sure a BIG chunk of this hobby that price is
Guys from one of the local shops that went to SEMA said they have not started building those yet and are still looking for investors to fund the McLeod.
And nothing wrong with the price of the Passon 5 speed, it's in line with most other low volume products of the same nature.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/11/1007:39 PM
Well, looks like its out of my price range for sure.
Its no doubt going to be a great product, and from what it cost to develop and build, I'm surprised his price isn't more. But its just way more than an average joe like me can afford. I still need to finish my paint job, and maybe get some cool wheels. Looks like I'll just have to stick with my highway gears if I want to hit the highway.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/12/1004:53 AM
Quote: Well, looks like its out of my price range for sure.
Its no doubt going to be a great product, and from what it cost to develop and build, I'm surprised his price isn't more. But its just way more than an average joe like me can afford. I still need to finish my paint job, and maybe get some cool wheels. Looks like I'll just have to stick with my highway gears if I want to hit the highway.
Good Luck with it Jamie !
well said.
I would have suggested a strategy that would have had a lower initial price offering to get some units out there on the street, kept production limited to keep demand high, generate lots of positive press, work out the likely bugs on a few units, keep price target low for any off shore lurking competitors, and then slowly ramp up price, which most of us are use to, keeping the logic of buy now, rather then later at a higher price.
And with that being said, I saw it at PRI, and I'll likely buy one at the asking price.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/12/1002:44 PM
Congrats on bringing that trans to market. Yes its not cheap but for what you get I think it is worth it especially given the reputation of Passion products and services.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/12/1010:15 PM
Nice product. Thanks for putting forth the effort (and risk)to provide this option. It is out of my price range but I respect the sellers right to ask what they want or need. If I ever decide to upgrade this would be my choice since I already have the 18 spline four speed setup. Good luck and I hope you sell lots and lots.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/14/1003:41 AM
Please excuse the numpty like question, but - those doing the auto-to-manual conversion using this new Passon 'box will still need to install a 4-speed hump anyway, right? ('70 e-body is what I have in mind specifically).
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/14/1003:43 PM
In order to do this conversion, the car will need to be in 4 speed trim. We have the parts required to convert the cars, if you need them. There is not going to be a blanket price for an A-833 trade in. Each core will be evaluated on an individual basis. This is the most fair way to do it. See the pics from the PRI show.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/14/1003:57 PM
Quote: Jamie , couple of questions , I know they won't get answered till next week .
1) What mount location will the B/E trans have , I assume the 70 up location? I never bought your B/E tail for the alum case I bought.
2) If someone bought say the A body trans and wanted to change it at a later date to the B/E would it be possible to buy a mainshaft and tailhousing, or send it in to have it retro fitted ?
John, The B/E tail will be the same arrangement as the factory B/E tail. Front and rear shifter mount flange with frontward trans mount flange. The '64- '69 B tail will be like factory too. Single shifter mount flange with trans mount flange rearward slightly.
If someone needs to swap tails later. We will swap it for them.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/14/1006:53 PM
Quote:
Quote: Jamie , couple of questions , I know they won't get answered till next week .
1) What mount location will the B/E trans have , I assume the 70 up location? I never bought your B/E tail for the alum case I bought.
2) If someone bought say the A body trans and wanted to change it at a later date to the B/E would it be possible to buy a mainshaft and tailhousing, or send it in to have it retro fitted ?
John, The B/E tail will be the same arrangement as the factory B/E tail. Front and rear shifter mount flange with frontward trans mount flange. The '64- '69 B tail will be like factory too. Single shifter mount flange with trans mount flange rearward slightly.
If someone needs to swap tails later. We will swap it for them.
That's interesting , I didn't expect you to do both early and late B tails
edit, I see the speedo is on the other side of the tailshaft ? will a factory cable reach that point without getting melted on the exhaust or is there some sort of cable extender ?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/14/1007:31 PM
Thank you for the kind words. There will be a speedo cable extension with a male end (just like the thread on the speedo housing.) The other end of the cable will be the large nut on it that will screw onto YOUR speedo housing. You will transfer your housing and gear from your existing trans into this one.
The backup switch is located under the front of the sidecover near the drain plug. It takes a stock Mopar switch. Your factory harness and plug will reach and work with no problem. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/15/1003:32 PM
We are feverishly working to get the A Body tail revisions and the B, B/E tails finished up here. It looks like that is a major delay. We are looking into another foundry right now as well. I like the foundry we are using but turnarounds are rediculously slow. MATS is probably gonna be pushing it. We will do our best. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/15/1011:59 PM
Quote: Excellent Jamie , now the decision , remodel my bathroom or buy this trans.
Way I look at it the economy is very tough and the bath remodel will cost more than the trans. So you have my permission to save money and do the right thing. lol.
Jammie, looks like a great product that will fit my needs. Thnaks!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/16/1001:22 AM
I've been waiting for this Jamie, as you know I almost pulled the trig on the OD 4 speed but I needed the right gear for 1/4 mile. My 517 70 Charger has a 727 in it but I left the clutch pedal in it to make the swap back easy....will it stand 700hp? Do you have any running around yet behind max wedge strokers?
I know a Tremec will hold up behind my motor but I know from plenty of experience rowing tremecs that it wont shift well at all behind a high torque but also hyper-fast revving combo like mine.
I can't imagine letting go of a matching numbers 833 case in my own situation (just to offset the cost of the new one) but I'd be willing to pull the trig on something like that if I was certain it would hold up and shift well under the load of a big motor.
Quote: i understand its expensive to clean sheet design something but at $4300 for just a trans it mine as well be $43,000 for most of us REAL people
for the average guy who actually builds his car with his own hands instead of his cell phone and credit card this is out of reach and out of touch with the market
not knocking the product but for me and im sure a BIG chunk of this hobby that price is
I'll have to agree it is pricey. If it is something you really want, it's not so expensive. Face it, nothing is cheap on a car and everybody wants this product for $750 installed.
Quote: Good idea, have him ship it to me, save the customs BS and we can install it at my place before you head down
I might have to come down a day early so we can install one of these as well,the cdn government will really be missing out on the cross border tax grab !
Quote: i understand its expensive to clean sheet design something but at $4300 for just a trans it mine as well be $43,000 for most of us REAL people
for the average guy who actually builds his car with his own hands instead of his cell phone and credit card this is out of reach and out of touch with the market
not knocking the product but for me and im sure a BIG chunk of this hobby that price is
No offense, but I think demand will far outpace the initial supply once these hit the market. I believe the typical buyer is going to be someone who has already put $15K+ into their car to make it a very nice driver or better, and wants to take that next step toward making it more user friendly on the road. If this does not meet your budget needs, then does a Tremec, or would that bust your budget, also? Granted, you pay more for better quality, and you can't have everything you'd like. I'd love a HEMI, but at $12K+, that'll never happen, but I'm not going to complain about how expensive they are, I'll just be happy with my 440.
It kills me how many people are saying this price is so high. The point of this transmission is to give us a better designed, direct swap 5 speed, as a better alternative to a Tremec/Keisler, etc.
Are you saying you won't drop the $4,300 for this, but will drop the $3,300+ in a heart beat for the other brands, not including the mods required to your car?
If you say your car is worth less than the price of the new transmission, than most likely nothing out there will meet your needs for price if you ever do look to make a swap.
What's wrong with us who do not have the time/tools/expertise to build our own cars picking up our cellphones and credit cards to get our cars done? I applaud those that can do everything themselves, and wish I could, too, but I can't, so AMEX it is.
Quote: i understand its expensive to clean sheet design something but at $4300 for just a trans it mine as well be $43,000 for most of us REAL people
for the average guy who actually builds his car with his own hands instead of his cell phone and credit card this is out of reach and out of touch with the market
not knocking the product but for me and im sure a BIG chunk of this hobby that price is
No offense, but I think demand will far outpace the initial supply once these hit the market. I believe the typical buyer is going to be someone who has already put $15K+ into their car to make it a very nice driver or better, and wants to take that next step toward making it more user friendly on the road. If this does not meet your budget needs, then does a Tremec, or would that bust your budget, also? Granted, you pay more for better quality, and you can't have everything you'd like. I'd love a HEMI, but at $12K+, that'll never happen, but I'm not going to complain about how expensive they are, I'll just be happy with my 440.
It kills me how many people are saying this price is so high. The point of this transmission is to give us a better designed, direct swap 5 speed, as a better alternative to a Tremec/Keisler, etc.
Are you saying you won't drop the $4,300 for this, but will drop the $3,300+ in a heart beat for the other brands, not including the mods required to your car?
If you say your car is worth less than the price of the new transmission, than most likely nothing out there will meet your needs for price if you ever do look to make a swap.
What's wrong with us who do not have the time/tools/expertise to build our own cars picking up our cellphones and credit cards to get our cars done? I applaud those that can do everything themselves, and wish I could, too, but I can't, so AMEX it is.
You can do it for under 3k with other stuff i.e. your own tremec swap instead of the keisler joke, just have to be a smart shopper and know how to do things yourself...some people arent afraid to cut their cars
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...although it must be nice to say "i have it"
I don't think anyone is bashing this peice, its gorgeous, and if i won the lottery i would own one...but realistically, it's out of the price range of most people- not all mopar guys are rich resto guys who can afford this stuff, alot of us are DIY hot rodders who save every penny they can without compromising quality
either way, very nice peice, would love to see some reviews and estimated power handling capabilities
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
Me too , I could care less about the gas savings , my car has 3.91's and I'm want to put 4.30's in it and still be able to drive it .
Jamie you are surely a teaser. Trying to get a peek of the internals of this pc is like a teenager watching his first burlyque performance. Come on lets see it.
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
X3....I did an A500 swap in my car because 3.55's and 27" tall tires is still 3300+ RPM at michigan freeway speeds, and very fatiguing
want OD on the cheap? by an A833OD, and make sure you don't have enough traction to hook up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1001:17 AM
i agree w/ some on the price - it is expensive, BUT (it appears that) jamie's reputation is second to none & stands behind his product. seems to be well-researched & well-built in the USA. it's also in line w/ other kits on the market.
dumb question, but i'll ask anyway. can these bolted to a new(er) hemi? is there an adapter for 4/5 speeds & newer hemis? my dream would be plopping a modern, fuel-injected hemi & a 5 speed w/out hacking up my car.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1001:45 AM
THis is where I'm going as well. If it accepts a small block bell, it will bolt to the 6.1.
Quote: i agree w/ some on the price - it is expensive, BUT (it appears that) jamie's reputation is second to none & stands behind his product. seems to be well-researched & well-built in the USA. it's also in line w/ other kits on the market.
dumb question, but i'll ask anyway. can these bolted to a new(er) hemi? is there an adapter for 4/5 speeds & newer hemis? my dream would be plopping a modern, fuel-injected hemi & a 5 speed w/out hacking up my car.
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
x4
Anything over 2000 rpm on the highway seems more like torture (engine and driver).
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
Yep.
Besides, some of the "savings" depends on how much highway you drive. I drive 28 miles one way to work, averaging 60-65 mph. I would love to drive my Duster to work everyday. Haven't done the math, but if 75% of my time is at highway speed, I would save at a faster rate.
My Duster isn't worth $4300 even if it is a 1 of 586 4 speed Duster 360s built in '74, but not having to cut the floor to put a 5 speed in is more than worth it to me. I have an R154 in my storage unit right now that I could swap in. Just need a clutch, pilot setup and driveshaft. If I didn't have to hack the center of the floor out it wouldn't be an issue, but I do and so it is.
I want one BAD!
Trying to find a place that will pay me $4300 for a kidney right now....
You can do it for under 3k with other stuff i.e. your own tremec swap instead of the keisler joke, just have to be a smart shopper and know how to do things yourself...some people arent afraid to cut their cars
You can do it for under 3k with other stuff i.e. your own tremec swap instead of the keisler joke, just have to be a smart shopper and know how to do things yourself...some people arent afraid to cut their cars
Tell us how.
sure there's really no need to be sarcastic, and all for under 3k WITH cutting your floor (i dont care about the numbers game)
1500 for a used TKO 150 for a good shifter 250 for the bell which works with the stock mech. linkage and z-bar 60 for the T/O bearing 30 for the pilot 350-400 for the clutch 100 bucks for the flywheel Speedo cable- make it from junkyard scrounging ( I did it) Cut the floor yourself
thats a wopping grand total of 2340
I don't think I have to say more...and if you don't believe, do some research on the prices enough, and you'll see it can be done...just takes some time, patience, and getting your hands dirty
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
Yep.
Besides, some of the "savings" depends on how much highway you drive. I drive 28 miles one way to work, averaging 60-65 mph. I would love to drive my Duster to work everyday. Haven't done the math, but if 75% of my time is at highway speed, I would save at a faster rate.
My Duster isn't worth $4300 even if it is a 1 of 586 4 speed Duster 360s built in '74, but not having to cut the floor to put a 5 speed in is more than worth it to me. I have an R154 in my storage unit right now that I could swap in. Just need a clutch, pilot setup and driveshaft. If I didn't have to hack the center of the floor out it wouldn't be an issue, but I do and so it is.
I want one BAD!
Trying to find a place that will pay me $4300 for a kidney right now....
I had a 5 speed in my car this past summer...Drove 4000 miles, and the gas savings with the overdrive (cruising at 1600 on the highway) was definatly not noticeable. Friends with converter slipping, bigger gears, smaller tires, and no overdrive, were filling up just as much as me...When i did the math, it didn make it worth it to me.
By no means am i bashing this transmission. In fact with Jamie's rep, im sure its nothing short of AWESOME Im just saying, at 4300 dollars, its a little steep imo, and if im going to spend that much, id much rather spend it on something else
Overdrive to me only makes sense for cars geared for the quarter mile i.e. 4.10's and higher...Id love to see how soon someone would break even in gas savings after buying this transmission and putting it in a resto car with 3.23's or 3.55's...would take an awefully long time unless your are roadtripping constantly...
I disagree-
1) Perhaps "modern" cars (does my 1998 Ram qualify?) have spoiled me but I find buzzing down the highway at 3500 rpm both limiting and audibly annoying. And this is in a car with 3.55 gears.
2) Gas savings isn't an issue (in my case), it would be more about making the car more pleasent to drive so I drive it more!
Yep.
Besides, some of the "savings" depends on how much highway you drive. I drive 28 miles one way to work, averaging 60-65 mph. I would love to drive my Duster to work everyday. Haven't done the math, but if 75% of my time is at highway speed, I would save at a faster rate.
My Duster isn't worth $4300 even if it is a 1 of 586 4 speed Duster 360s built in '74, but not having to cut the floor to put a 5 speed in is more than worth it to me. I have an R154 in my storage unit right now that I could swap in. Just need a clutch, pilot setup and driveshaft. If I didn't have to hack the center of the floor out it wouldn't be an issue, but I do and so it is.
I want one BAD!
Trying to find a place that will pay me $4300 for a kidney right now....
I had a 5 speed in my car this past summer...Drove 4000 miles, and the gas savings with the overdrive (cruising at 1600 on the highway) was definatly not noticeable. Friends with converter slipping, bigger gears, smaller tires, and no overdrive, were filling up just as much as me...When i did the math, it didn make it worth it to me.
By no means am i bashing this transmission. In fact with Jamie's rep, im sure its nothing short of AWESOME Im just saying, at 4300 dollars, its a little steep imo, and if im going to spend that much, id much rather spend it on something else
thats just my ...if it hurts feelings, ah well
So Matt when can you find a used TKO that hasn't been beat to death and can just be bolted in without a major overhaul? Most TKO boxes were used in high performance applications and a used one usually means "used up" Gus
So how many people here really give a rat's behind about gas mileage? The only reason I want that 5th gear is to save the wear and tear on my driveline when on the highway. If you want mileage, get a Prius. If you're concerned about using gas, park it for an extra weekend each month. Otherwise, I want my 5 speed!
So Matt when can you find a used TKO that hasn't been beat to death and can just be bolted in without a major overhaul? Most TKO boxes were used in high performance applications and a used one usually means "used up" Gus
Hey Gus, like i said, patience is key! lol ive come across atleast a dozen TKO's with very low miles, only reason for the sale is because the usual "want an auto, can't drive stick for beans". Ive had guys send me internals pics as well, stuff looks great. Only reason i didnt go TKO is the fact that i dont 1500 for a transmission with all the other stuff happening to the car right now (let alone 4300 lol). Otherwise, i would have gone that route in a heartbeat
Quote: So how many people here really give a rat's behind about gas mileage? The only reason I want that 5th gear is to save the wear and tear on my driveline when on the highway. If you want mileage, get a Prius. If you're concerned about using gas, park it for an extra weekend each month. Otherwise, I want my 5 speed!
You obviously don't care about mileage since like you said your the type of guy to build a car with credit card in hand. Being interested in OD for "wear and tear" goes hand in hand with gas mileage- those low rpms as we all know are also going to save you gas...
It's pretty evident that everyone wants a 5 speed for a different reason, some more sensical than others...Seems like some just want it to say "ive got a 5 speed" LOL
I thought the main problem with the used tremecs (other than the necessary floor/torsion bar crossmember mods) is that they won't take that much HP and your shifter will pop through the floor nowhere near stock. Don't the companies that sell the tremec kits have their own shifter mechanisims they only sell with their trans kits to put the shifter where it should be?
Just because you toss in an overdrive doesn't mean it will put your engine into a "sweet spot" for better mileage. Got to cam and build for the gears, or gear for the build.
I thought the main problem with the used tremecs (other than the necessary floor/torsion bar crossmember mods) is that they won't take that much HP and your shifter will pop through the floor nowhere near stock. Don't the companies that sell the tremec kits have their own shifter mechanisims they only sell with their trans kits to put the shifter where it should be?
Ive never heard that one before, atleast not in an a-body. Ive seen more than one tremec install on the net and in person where the shifter came up in the perfect spot
Quote: Just because you toss in an overdrive doesn't mean it will put your engine into a "sweet spot" for better mileage. Got to cam and build for the gears, or gear for the build.
Quote: So how many people here really give a rat's behind about gas mileage? The only reason I want that 5th gear is to save the wear and tear on my driveline when on the highway. If you want mileage, get a Prius. If you're concerned about using gas, park it for an extra weekend each month. Otherwise, I want my 5 speed!
You obviously don't care about mileage since like you said your the type of guy to build a car with credit card in hand. Being interested in OD for "wear and tear" goes hand in hand with gas mileage- those low rpms as we all know are also going to save you gas...
It's pretty evident that everyone wants a 5 speed for a different reason, some more sensical than others...Seems like some just want it to say "ive got a 5 speed" LOL
Happy shiftin
Exactly,who gives a ratts but about fuel mileage and wear and tear on the driveline.These are Mopar muscle cars,they are made to be drove hard and put up wet.I dont know who all cruises on the highway but I do my cruisin on the strip and I dont need 5 gears going to red light to red light.I dont care to get my hands dirty so If I want to make a very long trip somewhere Ill just pull out the 391 gears and put in the 323.$4300 is a chunk of change and I aint saying I will not buy one but until this tranny has been tested and used for a year Im not buying one,I dont care if it was made by Santas Elves.Im going to give a look at the Mcleod tranny to after its been out for a year also.I talked to Paul Lee last week and he promised it would be under $3,000
Quote: I "give a rats behind about gas mileage and driveline wear".
If you don't, it must be because you don't drive your car much and use it as a conversation piece.
I guess running a lower gear than you currently do never occured to some of you.
Let me guess,the whole time you were putting your car together or when you bought it you were thinking about,"I hope that baby gets 20 MPG and the drivetrain good for 100,000 miles".Give me a break
Waste fuel? This whole hobby is about needless waste of time, energy and comodities. What are you thinking? following that thinking... what is the purpose of going down the strip? or running a 4 bbl. What a waste of energy... time and effort. maybe we should get rid of the auto and use wind power to sail to the grocery store. Its all about consumption, exploitation and "I have something you dont".
Why is that so hard to understand for some of you?
If you like to waste fuel, send me the money instead.
Well see,Ma and Pa left me this here Orange Rt with a big black 01 painted on the side.Its got a big stop sign for the trunk and 3 license plates in the floor,u know to keep my feet from going through the floorboard.Now I know that big 440 is hard on gas but all that money Ive saved from fixin it up RIGHT I got all the money in the world to spend on Gas.I cant just figure some of those high falutin,know it all people from KENTUCKY want to fix thur cars up real fancy like and waist all of at money fer!
Quote: I "give a rats behind about gas mileage and driveline wear".
If you don't, it must be because you don't drive your car much and use it as a conversation piece.
I guess running a lower gear than you currently do never occured to some of you.
I put about 3K miles a year on it, so nothing exorbitant, but it's also not a "conversation piece". It's about a 50 mile run out to Good Guys in Fort Worth, all highway at 70 MPH. I like the high gears and shifting 1-4, and the point of the 5th gear is for the highway, so why should I bother changing to a lower rear end if I'm looking at putting a 5 speed in.
Quote: A guy makes a product that we didn't have before, actually builds it in our country, and Moparts members can't wait to down it. That is pretty sad.
I'll throw in my as to why I'd like to have Jamie's trans. I've got a 727 and a 3:55 rear now, if I go with the new 5 speed I get: 1. The pure joy of rowing my own gears 2. Cruising at 2400 rpm instead of an ear-grating 3500 rpm. And in CA all the cruises, car shows, etc. require freeway travel 3. A 2.64 first gear instead of a 2.45 for a better launch 4. One more gear to keep it in the sweet spot when me and the guy next to me are both in a hurry to get to the next stop light.
Why is that so hard to understand for some of you?
If you like to waste fuel, send me the money instead.
while saving fuel is a noble effort, it is not what we are in disagreement on. its the initial premium for the od which includes the cost of the part(s) as well as installation.
if you were really that worried about gas you would not be driving a 30 year old car with a v8 and a carb!
if you want me to agree that buying an o/d has benefits - yes i agree
if you want me to take you seriously and to think that driving a 30 year old car with an O/D is really the solution to our dependency on foreign oil than i am sorry i cannot do that.
i guess i dont drive my cars enough for it to matter.
What do you guys find so wrong with wanting to build a car that will cruise at a more comfortable rpm on the highway and get a few more MPG? I know a lot of you guys don't really drive your cars but some of us do. What if I told you I'm setting my car up so I can take it on a road trip across the country. Suddenly 2000rpm on the highway and a couple more mpg doesn't sound so bad. You don't want an overdrive, don't but one. Simple as that. I don't understand what there is to over.
Quote: What do you guys find so wrong with wanting to build a car that will cruise at a more comfortable rpm on the highway and get a few more MPG? I know a lot of you guys don't really drive your cars but some of us do. What if I told you I'm setting my car up so I can take it on a road trip across the country. Suddenly 2000rpm on the highway and a couple more mpg doesn't sound so bad. You don't want an overdrive, don't but one. Simple as that. I don't understand what there is to over.
i agree with you 100% i just think it is funny how some people justify investment decisions. the saving gas part just cracks me up. classic cars are discretionary investments. if we were so worried about saving money we would all be in econo-boxes!
rather than saying i want to save gas $, why cant one just say, " i am car guy and have no control over spending money on shiny car parts! and i want it because its frickin' cool"
Quote: What do you guys find so wrong with wanting to build a car that will cruise at a more comfortable rpm on the highway and get a few more MPG? I know a lot of you guys don't really drive your cars but some of us do. What if I told you I'm setting my car up so I can take it on a road trip across the country. Suddenly 2000rpm on the highway and a couple more mpg doesn't sound so bad. You don't want an overdrive, don't but one. Simple as that. I don't understand what there is to over.
i agree with you 100% i just think it is funny how some people justify investment decisions. the saving gas part just cracks me up. classic cars are discretionary investments. if we were so worried about saving money we would all be in econo-boxes!
rather than saying i want to save gas $, why cant one just say, " i am car guy and have no control over spending money on shiny car parts! and i want it because its frickin' cool"
that to me would be a much better justification.
WOW! You are a one dimensional thinker. MPG is one of many reasons a person might want one. You, along with some others, seem to have gotten hung up on that as the sole reason a person might buy one.
Incredible! Try thinking about something more than just the first thing that pops into your mind for a change, then you won't be on the internet telling people they are out in left field because they think an OD trans is something they might want to purchase.
There are other problems with your lack of critical thinking skills. Sure I'm not being fuel efficient in my 1969 car with a big block. That doesn't mean that I should or should want to waste the fuel I use for my hobby. If you are seriously saying that is your goal, send me a set amount of money every month. You might as well if that is your attitude.
Quote: I "give a rats behind about gas mileage and driveline wear".
If you don't, it must be because you don't drive your car much and use it as a conversation piece.
I guess running a lower gear than you currently do never occured to some of you.
I put about 3K miles a year on it, so nothing exorbitant, but it's also not a "conversation piece". It's about a 50 mile run out to Good Guys in Fort Worth, all highway at 70 MPH. I like the high gears and shifting 1-4, and the point of the 5th gear is for the highway, so why should I bother changing to a lower rear end if I'm looking at putting a 5 speed in.
See above. MANY reasons for running a trans like this. One is that you can run a really low gear and not buzz the engine. That shouldn't be hard to grasp, yet here you are.
Nobody is saying that you have to change gears BTW. In fact, I would keep my 3.23s as is.
DUDE i agree with you, O/D is a good idea for those who will benefit from it.
i was commenting on how many of the arguments are 1-d, or otherwise poorly supported.
i dont need to tell you about my education or my professional accomplishments to make myself feel better, but lets just say i am def not a 1-d thinker.
good luck with your project.
personally, i hope they sell a ton of 5 speeds, that way i can get my hands on an 18-spline a body 4 speed on the cheap.
Most of you girls that won't buy it at $4300 wouldn't buy it if it was $500. I'm just glad Jamie is bringing out a well-designed, quality manufactured, new, 5 speed manual that will fit in a classic Mopar without having to wreck it. Great product! I just sold an E-body 18 spline and am happy I'll be able to replace it with something superior.
personally, i hope they sell a ton of 5 speeds, that way i can get my hands on an 18-spline a body 4 speed on the cheap.
So im not alone in my thinking lol
That's my plan too, wait for the regular 18-spine transmission price to drop and get one for my track-only car. The factory 833-OD isn't going to be satisfactory for long.
Clutcher, I can tell you that there is NO way that I am posting a picture of the internals of the trans on here. There are items that are being patented in this unit, so I don't need any aggravation. I can tell you that the speed gears are approximately 3/16" wider than the gears in an 18 spline A-833 .
As for the Mcleod unit, being under $3000, I am not doubting this. I could easily make a unit in Korea and sell it for that money and be fine. My standpoint is this: (and I am not getting poetic here.) It is stuff like this that is destroying our Country. Everyone running overseas to make stuff because it is cheaper. That is the reason we are in this situation. Now, I am not cutting their product. That is your God given right to do this. It is my God given right to not do it. The single most important thing to me was to make this unit in the USA. PERIOD. It may sound stupid, but I am VERY proud to do this. Am I cutting out a certain market because of the price? I am sure that I am, BUT it is more important to me to do this here than just contribute to the delinquency that surrounds us. To each his own. If they want to do this, that is up to them. I liken it to motorcycle 6 speeds. We are the Baker, McLeod is the Rev Tech. Plain and simple. The Baker is considerably more money, and in many peoples opinion, is of considerably higher quality. Can everyone afford one? No, that is where the Rev Tech comes in. The only thing with the Rev Tech is that it "just doesn't fit quite right." Again, I am not cutting anyone's product. There was a goal that was laid out when we started this project. It was to make the BEST bolt in USA made 5 speed transmission. I think that we accomplished this. As for the Mcleod being a bolt in? Again, I am not cutting on it, but man, I don't know how one tailhousing with obvious speedo cable issues is gonna fit three different Chrysler platforms. Maybe I am wrong, but we shall see. For the record, I have nothing against McLeod. I do LOVE McLeod clutches. I feel that they are the best on the market, I just don't agree with their rationale on this trans. Jamie
Have you give any thought to how this transmission will fit in off-brand applications? If the Ford and GM guys buy them too you might have one hot product on your hands.
Issues like this (buying overseas) ARE important. We are selling our futures.
Quote: Clutcher, I can tell you that there is NO way that I am posting a picture of the internals of the trans on here. There are items that are being patented in this unit, so I don't need any aggravation. I can tell you that the speed gears are approximately 3/16" wider than the gears in an 18 spline A-833 .
As for the Mcleod unit, being under $3000, I am not doubting this. I could easily make a unit in Korea and sell it for that money and be fine. My standpoint is this: (and I am not getting poetic here.) It is stuff like this that is destroying our Country. Everyone running overseas to make stuff because it is cheaper. That is the reason we are in this situation. Now, I am not cutting their product. That is your God given right to do this. It is my God given right to not do it. The single most important thing to me was to make this unit in the USA. PERIOD. It may sound stupid, but I am VERY proud to do this. Am I cutting out a certain market because of the price? I am sure that I am, BUT it is more important to me to do this here than just contribute to the delinquency that surrounds us. To each his own. If they want to do this, that is up to them. I liken it to motorcycle 6 speeds. We are the Baker, McLeod is the Rev Tech. Plain and simple. The Baker is considerably more money, and in many peoples opinion, is of considerably higher quality. Can everyone afford one? No, that is where the Rev Tech comes in. The only thing with the Rev Tech is that it "just doesn't fit quite right." Again, I am not cutting anyone's product. There was a goal that was laid out when we started this project. It was to make the BEST bolt in USA made 5 speed transmission. I think that we accomplished this. As for the Mcleod being a bolt in? Again, I am not cutting on it, but man, I don't know how one tailhousing with obvious speedo cable issues is gonna fit three different Chrysler platforms. Maybe I am wrong, but we shall see. For the record, I have nothing against McLeod. I do LOVE McLeod clutches. I feel that they are the best on the market, I just don't agree with their rationale on this trans. Jamie
Understand about the patent issues and the aggravation that whole game brings with it. Thanks for reply, dont mean to be a pest, just like to thro those greamlins around sometimes. Looking forward to getting inside one of those as time permits. Wish more Americans had your philosophy. Thanks for it, it is appreciated.
Quote: As Teddy Roosevelt said, the credit belongs to the the man who is actually in the arena.
Thanks, Jamie.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
This single quote has kept me going some days, so true.
Just wondering how long it took you to get this point? When did you first get the idea for the trans? I always thought someone should do this but figured the cost would be too high.
Actually thought the price was going to be higher than $4300. Don't know how some people can expected this trans to be $3000 or less when you look at whats out there now.
Quote: Have you give any thought to how this transmission will fit in off-brand applications? If the Ford and GM guys buy them too you might have one hot product on your hands.
No real need to think about it , the off brand guys , GM anyway , have cobbled up the hemi trans in the past , I have seen the input shafts shortened and machined down to fit a GM pilot bushing, so if the 833 fit for them this trans will also .
I'm trying to figure out why the are muddying this thread? We heard you, it's too expensive for you , get over it and move on.
As said above some of you would still claim it's too expensive even if it were FREE.
Quote: Have you give any thought to how this transmission will fit in off-brand applications? If the Ford and GM guys buy them too you might have one hot product on your hands.
No real need to think about it , the off brand guys , GM anyway , have cobbled up the hemi trans in the past , I have seen the input shafts shortened and machined down to fit a GM pilot bushing, so if the 833 fit for them this trans will also .
I'm trying to figure out why the are muddying this thread? We heard you, it's too expensive for you , get over it and move on.
As said above some of you would still claim it's too expensive even if it were FREE.
Either buy it or don't. Simple as that.
I just hope that someone doesn't buy one right away and send it over to China to be knocked off and sold for much less. Are we going to see these trannies lined up on Canal St. with the knock off Prada purses and Rolex watches??
All kidding aside, I would be willing to bet that most of the Mopar people would buy the cheap knockoff not care if it puts the guys who originally produced it at a loss. Just look at the history ....
Good Luck again, Jamie. I'll buy one and recommend it to my customers.
As for the Mcleod unit, being under $3000, I am not doubting this. I could easily make a unit in Korea and sell it for that money and be fine. My standpoint is this: (and I am not getting poetic here.) It is stuff like this that is destroying our Country. Everyone running overseas to make stuff because it is cheaper. That is the reason we are in this situation. Now, I am not cutting their product. That is your God given right to do this. It is my God given right to not do it. The single most important thing to me was to make this unit in the USA. PERIOD. It may sound stupid, but I am VERY proud to do this. Am I cutting out a certain market because of the price? I am sure that I am, BUT it is more important to me to do this here than just contribute to the delinquency that surrounds us. To each his own. If they want to do this, that is up to them. I liken it to motorcycle 6 speeds. We are the Baker, McLeod is the Rev Tech. Plain and simple. The Baker is considerably more money, and in many peoples opinion, is of considerably higher quality. Can everyone afford one? No, that is where the Rev Tech comes in. The only thing with the Rev Tech is that it "just doesn't fit quite right." Again, I am not cutting anyone's product. There was a goal that was laid out when we started this project. It was to make the BEST bolt in USA made 5 speed transmission. I think that we accomplished this. As for the Mcleod being a bolt in? Again, I am not cutting on it, but man, I don't know how one tailhousing with obvious speedo cable issues is gonna fit three different Chrysler platforms. Maybe I am wrong, but we shall see. For the record, I have nothing against McLeod. I do LOVE McLeod clutches. I feel that they are the best on the market, I just don't agree with their rationale on this trans. Jamie
Quote: Most of you girls that won't buy it at $4300 wouldn't buy it if it was $500.
Sheldon
Now thats a fact.
Most of them don't have a clue what running a high horsepower stick car costs I have about $4700.00 from the end of the crank to the front yoke But I know I can drive it back home from the track after a ten second pass Gus
Quote: Most of you girls that won't buy it at $4300 wouldn't buy it if it was $500.
Sheldon
Now thats a fact.
Most of them don't have a clue what running a high horsepower stick car costs I have about $4700.00 from the end of the crank to the front yoke But I know I can drive it back home from the track after a ten second pass Gus
What says that even 3/4's of the people who are going to buy this transmission have high horsepower cars? LOL...or even better, are going drag race them....just a thought
I tried to justify buying a bike based on what I would save in gas. Didn't work, just not enough good months to ride to make it pencil out. But I bought the bike anyway, because I wanted to.
In the same way, I want to save gas driving my car, but I'm not so blind as to think that the cost of the transmission will be saved in fuel. They aren't part of the same equation. The fact is, saving fuel will help after the car is built to keep enjoying it, and as a bonus the 5 speed will make it more enjoyable to drive by updating it. One of the major complaints I have about driving an old car is not having a 5 speed.
Also, I'm not looking for a drag box, I want to use the car on the road course after driving it there (without having to swap a pumpkin).
My Duster was my DD for years, with a OD trans and 3.21 gears. It was ok, and I will probably drive it that way again when I get it back on the road, but I have been hoping for years that someone would build a box like Jamie is bringing to market. It might be expensive, but it's still far less than buying a new Challenger R/T 6 speed, and gets me closer to having a modern feeling car to drive on a regular basis. I see no reason to complain about the price, I think I will spend my energy trying to find the funds to buy one instead.
Jamie, just a suggestion (as if you haven't had enough of those), but what about a reduced capacity box later on? I'm not suggesting an off-shore source, but maybe one with a lower quality gearset but still manufactured here in the states. Maybe even a drop to a 21 spline input to match the lower capacity. I think you were smart to bring this to market at it's best rather than sell a low strength unit and then bring in the mac-daddy, so don't take it as a "you-should-have". I'm just thinking down the line.
As was pointed out earlier, there are probably plenty of people that don't need the extra capacity, myself included. Maybe a lighter box would make it work for more people later. At the same time, if we are talking about only a $500 drop in price, maybe it's not worth looking into. To me, the extra $500 would be worth not having to worry about having to buy a "big boy" A-855 when I hit the lottery and swap a 700 hp Gen3 Hemi into the car .
Quote: As for the Mcleod being a bolt in? Again, I am not cutting on it, but man, I don't know how one tailhousing with obvious speedo cable issues is gonna fit three different Chrysler platforms.
Jamie, just for conversation, I found this link on a mustang forum about the McLeod unit. It sounds like they have separate tailhousings and application specific configurations of this transmission for GM, Chrysler and Ford. That's a question they address at this SEMA interview. There's a load of questions to be asked in relation to that. It's easy to describe it in simple terms. Hard to back it up with fit. So few aftermarket parts are a true bolt in experience.
For the record, I am so glad you are building that trans in the USA. Awesome.
Any plans for a face plated version? I don't see non synchronized being that much of a drawback on the street, and definitely more reliable at the track. Our Land Rovers are non synchronized on 1st (you start out in 1st, too) and 2nd and they are daily drivers. You should see little Michelle going up and down through the gears in her 88. Maybe use something like the road race sliders in a Jerico DR4 which work better on the coast side.
Cool product. I like that a potential leak source is gone in the front by not having the countershaft be bored through. The tapered roller bearings should quiet it up by keeping everything that much more in line, which I imagine will elad to more longevity. Lighter too than an original A833 iron case tranny.
The 23 spline thing is a non-issue, just get a new disk or have the hub of the disk changed, minor in the whole scheme.
As far as price, people need to check out Jericos, Liberty, GForce 5 speeds.
Is it just me, or does the layout of the McLoed look just like the Tremec? Could it be that the McLoed is a Tremec knockoff? That would certainly save on design and development cost.
Actually the McLeod is a T5. Sugarloaf IS near Hazleton. The new shop is outside Tamaqua. There's 40 acres to park the 72 ft. rig on... The problem is getting the 72 ft rig to the 40 acres!
Sure we have thought about a face plate version. This would allow an even stronger trans because we could make the gears wider because we don't need room for synchro rings. However, the well is not bottomless. We need to see how things are gonna go and get some of our money back first. Also, I wouldn't make a lesser quality gear, we would use 8620 steel instead of premium 9310. That would probably knock about $500.00 off. That to me didn't seem significant. As for making a 23 spline version. It wouldn't be any cheaper. The problem with doing an 8620 version is that we just DOUBLED the amount of parts that are gonna sit on the shelf. Inventory is money sitting there. That isn't gonna fly with how much we have out on this project. Jamie
Quote: Also, I wouldn't make a lesser quality gear, we would use 8620 steel instead of premium 9310. That would probably knock about $500.00 off. That to me didn't seem significant.
I think you're right, that isn't significant enough to make it worthwhile. Like I said, it was just a thought.
Quote: The problem with doing an 8620 version is that we just DOUBLED the amount of parts that are gonna sit on the shelf. Inventory is money sitting there. That isn't gonna fly with how much we have out on this project. Jamie
Didn't think about the inventory. Good enough, thank you for the answer.
I keep thinking about how much I wanted a new 6 speed R/T Challenger, and how I stopped thinking about it when I realized that for the money a new car would cost, I could build a sweet Duster or Valiant. For about a 1/4 of the money of an R/T, I could put a late Hemi and your trans in the car and have 80% of what I wanted. In light of that, $4300 is a steal to me.
The cluster gear is one large gear. Not splined with gears slid on.
Let me make this statement. It may save some questions from people. The ratios that we chose are THE ratios. That is all. There are no immediate plans for alternate ratios, dog boxes, straight cut gears, pro shift, face plate etc. Sorry, but again, with the outlayment of money here, when you start talking about straight cut gears, you are adding at least an additional $30,000 into tooling, engineering, etc.
Seriously guys. Baby steps here. We need to start to recoup some investment here or else we ain't gonna be around to think about making a straight cut gear trans. Besides, if we did that, people would piss and moan that it is too loud.
Jamie I have just been doing the math and you have quite a HUGE nut out there to cover just for inventory Let alone the cost of tooling,production,materials,shipping... Damn dude I will do what I can to help you move them If I can unload my Richmond I will give you a buzz Gus
Darren, Actually I wasn't gonna say anything, but I am already working on a bolt in 12 speed. The case is made of unobtanium, You shift it with mental telepathy. It weighs 49 lbs and I am going to sell it for $299.00. Hopefully this isn't too much! Oh and it can take 4500 ft lbs of torque indefinitely!
Quote: Actually the McLeod is a T5. Sugarloaf IS near Hazleton. The new shop is outside Tamaqua. There's 40 acres to park the 72 ft. rig on... The problem is getting the 72 ft rig to the 40 acres!
Quote: Darren, Actually I wasn't gonna say anything, but I am already working on a bolt in 12 speed. The case is made of unobtanium, You shift it with mental telepathy. It weighs 49 lbs and I am going to sell is for $299.00. Hopefully this isn't too much! Oh and it can take 4500 ft lbs of torque indefinitely!
Looks like a really great product. I'm a 100% satisfied Keisler TKO-600 customer also, put it in my 69 R/T convertible as a swap from an automatic, OD in these old cars is a WONDERFUL thing! Thanks for all of your time and financial investment in making it happen.
Quote: What says that even 3/4's of the people who are going to buy this transmission have high horsepower cars? LOL...or even better, are going drag race them....just a thought
Nobody,,,,but ,,,,
The problem with producing a part of this nature. The manufacturer has to look at it from several different angles, with a worst case scenario with the most obvious being it's going to be used and abused.
I have no dog in this battle, I've made it quite clear I personnly have no interest in a manual trans car. MY idea of fun in the old cars is click it down in drive, push the a/c button and slam the loud pedal on the right
MY hats off to Jamie for his business additude, this country needs many more people like this . I have a customer with a 1969 Daytona with a Hemi and 4 speed and told him of this trans possibility and he's interested.
I've been watching from the sidelines for quite a while now...
First, Jamie, THANK YOU for building it here!!!
I'm building my '68 Charger for the Silver State Classic and high speed is the name of the game. I need to be able to do up to 165mph sustained for 90 miles to be competitive in the 150 class. I've taken the '67 Charger and its 727 automatic to it's competitive max doing 140 in the 125 average class turning 5200 rpm. The 496 has more than enough power and safely turns over 7000, I just don't want to sustain over about 5500 average or have to really break 6000 for any reason. Your 5 speed is the answer to my problems. Quality is the absolute utmost proirity. The '68 is still a year or two away from needing a trans, so I'll continue to watch the progress and real-world results. I'm in line for one, just standing a little farther back until the car is ready.
Thank you again. Engineers/Machinists like me depend on people like you to keep the work here.
This trans is beyond my budget...for now, but you can bet your bottom dollar that when it's not, there'll be one on order. Also happy to see that you're sticking to your guns on where it's being manufactured. We've been programmed to somehow accept poor quality as normal because " I didn't pay that much for it anyways" or "Just buy a new one. It's cheaper than fixing it." Chaps my hide quite frankly. How are we supposed to TRULY teach the next generation responsible management of the environment and our resources when this is the attitude and practice that they see? Build/buy a quality product. Fix it when it malfunctions. Pay a fair price. Keep the dollars at home. IMHO, hotrodders are the automotive industries real recyclers.
I'm sorry...I didn't see me get up on my soapbox, but here I am! Kudos, Jamie, and I hope to see great feedback and sales for you in the very near future!
I was also hoping the trans would be in the 3K range but that was just wishful thinking but I am still sure glad that Jamie stepped up to bat and produced a trans made in the USA for mopar guys that can afford it. It also means that there is a chance that I will be able to get a used one some day.
There are alot of things in this hobby regular mopar guys like me cannot afford like twin turbo Hemis for example But I still have fun with my 500RB with factory 4speed trans.
Quote: Darren, Actually I wasn't gonna say anything, but I am already working on a bolt in 12 speed. The case is made of unobtanium, You shift it with mental telepathy. It weighs 49 lbs and I am going to sell is for $299.00. Hopefully this isn't too much! Oh and it can take 4500 ft lbs of torque indefinitely!
Damn your starting to sound like someone else we know
The car is the '69 Coronet R/T convertible 440 4-speed pictured in my profile picture. I originally came with the 3.54:1 Dana 60, but the guy I bought it from installed 4.10:1 gears.
Quote: thanks for putting out a very needed item for our cars...
can you post the 1st to 5th gearing ratios
thanks
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Quote: I will try to answer some of the questions I saw. At this time, no 23 spline. If we do that, we are going to lower the torque capacity of the trans significantly. It just doesn't make sense to spend more money to tool up for a weaker design.
There are tapered rollers throughout the trans. Input shaft, mainshaft and cluster gear front and rear. Gear Ratios are
I checked with Jamie, the waiting list grows each and every day. Call now to get your name on the list. I will give you one guess who is #1 on the list
This transmission is a major event in the world of mopar. I am sure the other trans people who charm us with their infomercial type marketing and questionable values are nervous...and they should be.
For all of us waiting...be patient as this is a no compromise, true bolt in, DIRECT replacement transmission, that will transform your ride in about 2 hours or less.
We do have a waiting list. Tom is right, it is growing. This is comforting knowing that we have some support for this HUGE chance we are taking here. As for the Inland handle. I will attempt to make a modified tower for the Inland handle. If it works, great, if not, hey we tried. As for an Inland shifter ball with the correct shift pattern, You guys are on your own there! Jamie
Quote: We do have a waiting list. Tom is right, it is growing. This is comforting knowing that we have some support for this HUGE chance we are taking here. As for the Inland handle. I will attempt to make a modified tower for the Inland handle. If it works, great, if not, hey we tried. As for an Inland shifter ball with the correct shift pattern, You guys are on your own there! Jamie
Jamie there is an adapter already available , it should work if an original handle with fit the new shifter .
2. Are you sure this will fit in an early A-body? I was underneath my 66 Barracuda yesterday and it looks to me like the area where the midplate bolts on might be too bulky for the early A tunnel.
Jamie, Thanks for all the infos and to have put me in your waiting list, I don't know if I'll be the first one to have one in France, but, will all the reading I've found on this product, I think the time I'll have to wait will worth it!
lilcuda, The bolts are not helicoiled. There is no need to do this. The aluminum that we are using of good. PLUS, no one should be turning bolts in and out on it. Disassembly mean NO WARRANTY. We will be working on fitment of the '64-66 A body cars next. Thanks, Jamie
I have no intention of disassembling the trans if I buy one, but if I remember correctly, in order to get the trans into and out of an early a body, you have to take the shifter off. It's been 15 years since I had mine out, so my memory might be foggy. I was just concerned about wear of the bolt holes in the event the shifter does need to come off to R & R the trans.
How do I get on the list to find out when you will have a trans that fits the early a?
I have no intention of disassembling the trans if I buy one, but if I remember correctly, in order to get the trans into and out of an early a body, you have to take the shifter off. It's been 15 years since I had mine out, so my memory might be foggy. I was just concerned about wear of the bolt holes in the event the shifter does need to come off to R & R the trans.
How do I get on the list to find out when you will have a trans that fits the early a?
Thanks!
Do you have to remove the shifter mounting plate to get the trans out of the car ?
Sorry, I have'nt read all the posts here... Are you offering Big block and small block bell housings in the kits or are those going to be separate costs?
Also I keep hearing A-Body and E-Body... Are there going to be 68-74 B-Body kits? For both Big block and Small block available (all years 68-74)?
Quote: Sorry, I have'nt read all the posts here... Are you offering Big block and small block bell housings in the kits or are those going to be separate costs?
Also I keep hearing A-Body and E-Body... Are there going to be 68-74 B-Body kits? For both Big block and Small block available (all years 68-74)?
Thanks
It uses the stock bellhousing so if you already have a car set up for manual trans it will bolt right in .
I'm pretty sure he has a 69 Down B body tail , 70 up B body uses the same tails as an E body .
Quote: Sorry, I have'nt read all the posts here... Are you offering Big block and small block bell housings in the kits or are those going to be separate costs?
Also I keep hearing A-Body and E-Body... Are there going to be 68-74 B-Body kits? For both Big block and Small block available (all years 68-74)?
Thanks
It uses the stock bellhousing so if you already have a car set up for manual trans it will bolt right in .
I'm pretty sure he has a 69 Down B body tail , 70 up B body uses the same tails as an E body .
Gotta have the hemi 4 speed set up though to bolt right in (18 spline) i believe.
Quote: Sorry, I have'nt read all the posts here... Are you offering Big block and small block bell housings in the kits or are those going to be separate costs?
Also I keep hearing A-Body and E-Body... Are there going to be 68-74 B-Body kits? For both Big block and Small block available (all years 68-74)?
Thanks
It uses the stock bellhousing so if you already have a car set up for manual trans it will bolt right in .
I'm pretty sure he has a 69 Down B body tail , 70 up B body uses the same tails as an E body .
Gotta have the hemi 4 speed set up though to bolt right in (18 spline) i believe.
Need to get on the waiting list: I just heard about this trans on the cruise to MATS, and went thru all the posts today, I want to thank you for all your efforts so far. I have a Keisler A41 4 spd OD auto in my 67 GTX, the 572 pump gas hemi (635 HP & 665 ft lb T )is too much for it and need a OD manual trans option, I too had looked at the Mcleod trans but not any more, also had looked at the RS option but not interested. I can keep this trans going for enough time if I don't lean on the engine a lot,but would hope one is available later this summer before I head back to AZ for the winter. I also have sent in a e-mail to your website so I hope you can find the time to get back to me soon
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/27/1110:40 PM
Sorry if I missed it, but when's can we expect to get our hands on a copy? Is there a hydraulic clutch kit available? My '70 Charger is an original 383/4-speed car (23 spline) and I'd love to get rid of the Z-bar and upgrade to an 18 spline 5 speed!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/06/1103:52 PM
Hello Gang, Here is an update to our 5 speed progress. We currently have several units out there in a bodies being torture tested. We have made a design change to the shifter fork arrangement and also to the 5th gear synchronizer design. So far the design change has proved to be a change for the better so we are now testing for durability with our proprietary enhanced key spring design . We are also awaiting from the foundry a revised tailhousing pattern for E Body tails as well as B Body tails. More information to follow as things develop. Thank you for your patience. No product will be released until I am 100 percent satisfied.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/06/1106:06 PM
I really applaud Jamie's straight forward nature and I for one will no doubt be buying one of these bad boys in the future. I did buy an aluminum overdrive 4 spd from him and it's a work of art. Thanks Jamie!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/07/1102:22 AM
Quote: Hello Gang, Here is an update to our 5 speed progress. We currently have several units out there in a bodies being torture tested. We have made a design change to the shifter fork arrangement and also to the 5th gear synchronizer design. So far the design change has proved to be a change for the better so we are now testing for durability with our proprietary enhanced key spring design . We are also awaiting from the foundry a revised tailhousing pattern for E Body tails as well as B Body tails. More information to follow as things develop. Thank you for your patience. No product will be released until I am 100 percent satisfied.
Thank You! I would much rather wait and have something that is sorted out and trouble free!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/07/1101:59 PM
Quote: No product will be released until I am 100 percent satisfied.
Need to order a twin disc clutch this week, understand that new trans will be 18 spline. Unfortunatly don't have any 18 spline 4-speed boxes if 5-speed is excessively delayed.
What to do? Don't wish to order two different $1200 clutch setups.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/08/1109:51 PM
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Quote: No product will be released until I am 100 percent satisfied.
Need to order a twin disc clutch this week, understand that new trans will be 18 spline. Unfortunatly don't have any 18 spline 4-speed boxes if 5-speed is excessively delayed.
What to do? Don't wish to order two different $1200 clutch setups.
why would you need to buy another clutch setup when you can just buy another disc , assuming the pressure plate is still good ?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/10/1109:19 PM
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Quote: why would you need to buy another clutch setup when you can just buy another disc , assuming the pressure plate is still good ?
Discs, not disc.
are 2 discs $1200 ???
What is your point?
I'm expected to buy a clutch, drive my car about and then purchase replacement discs for said $1200 clutch setup after the 18 spline transmission is finally released.
I don't like wasting money, throwing away two expensive discs is not my idea of a good time.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/11/1103:27 PM
Guys, lets try to keep it civil. I understand your concerns. This is the way that I look at it, I am assuming that you have a Mcleod Twin Disc clutch. If you do, I will rehub your discs from 23 spline to 18 spline for you. As for a timeframe. We are working as fast as we can. As I stated before, I am not comfortable releasing anything until we are 100% happy with performance.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/11/1110:05 PM
Quote: Guys, lets try to keep it civil. I understand your concerns. This is the way that I look at it, I am assuming that you have a Mcleod Twin Disc clutch. If you do, I will rehub your discs from 23 spline to 18 spline for you. As for a timeframe. We are working as fast as we can. As I stated before, I am not comfortable releasing anything until we are 100% happy with performance.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/10/1105:50 PM
How are the modifications coming along, Jamie? I have the car up in the air with the exhaust off. This would be a perfect time for me to upgrade the transmission.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/13/1103:37 AM
Mods are going well. We changed the lead in angle on the 1st gear synchro. Wxcellent results. We are currently awaiting patterns for the B and E Body tailhousings. These were supposed to be done in March. So, as you can imagine, I am less than pleased. However, at this point, to go after another foundry and pattern maker, just doesn't make sense. All I can say is that we are working as quickly as possible. We are continuing testing the unit in A Body cars as we await the B and E Body tooling. I have been really beating on this and it has not failed. 685 hp, 3660 lb car. Believe me, I want this project wrapped up as soon as possible. We have a TON of money out there. I am literally STANDING on the pattern maker to get these finished so that we can have display stuff for Carlisle. We are doing our best. I would like to thank everyone for their patience on this project. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/01/1112:25 PM
A little update for everyone. We FINALLY picked up our prototype '62-'69 B Body prototype tailhousings at the foundry late Friday. Chips are falling off them as I type this. I got the '70 up B/E Body prototype housings yesterday and they will be at the machine shop today and hopefully be machined by Tuesday so that we can have those two units assembled and set up for display at Carlisle. We continue torture testing the other units out there currently. Be sure to stop by our trailer at Carlisle to see the units and also pick up any 4 speed stuff you need. We are located at Swap Meet Spots O20, 21, 22. I will check back at this as often as possible however, we are wide open trying to get ready for the show. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/25/1101:18 PM
Production meeting scheduled tomorrow. If I wasn't so far into this project, I would probably bag it. Now I know why "others" have taken an existing transmission and tried to jam it into an old car instead of a whole new design. It is very hard to get things done in a timely fashion. It seems no one respects the delivery times that they set themselves. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/25/1103:43 PM
well I for one certainly hope you do hang in there and I am sure the entire mopar enthusiasts feel the same way. I also hope everyone can grasp how huge a scope this whole deal is.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/25/1108:16 PM
Quote: It seems no one respects the delivery times that they set themselves. Jamie
unfortunately, they don't set them for themselves, they set them for you, knowing that once you are in the process, it is too tough to back out, so they can do what they want.
then there are those who no matter how long in their business, still have no clue of how to estimate their time. they are well intentioned, just no clue how to estimate their time. it happens in all aspects of business, not just manufacturing.
hang in there, there are plenty of people waiting for this!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/25/1111:32 PM
I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas, but I believe it will be worth it. I for one am glad that you are to far in it, to give up. I will continue to wait patiently.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/26/1112:56 AM
It was nice speaking with you at Columbus. I hope that the balance of this project goes smoothly. I would love to be able to buy one of these next Spring for my E-body. Paul
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Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/26/1102:49 AM
I just got gainful employment in order to pay for this thing!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/27/1108:53 PM
i understand that issue. i cant even get machine shops to get my parts made on time and there simple! i hear the economy sucks but cant get any work out of anyone because they are so buisy , they say.
i am sure that even if it takes a long time yet there will still be a market. no one else is filling this need the way your transmission will so customers should still be there. it takes balls to even attempt to do what you are doing, i hope it goes good for you . i will keep saving cash until i can afford one and may be by then they will be ready. i have had my car for 20 years with a speed in it and i am not about to cut it up now, so i can wait
i have told a few of my customers about your transmission and i know they wont cut up those E bodys for a 5 speed, so may be i could get a few sold for you.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/29/1106:51 PM
Well, I'd like to thank everyone for the kind words. I just needed to be talked down off the ledge. Bad day. Anyway, I have no intention of quitting at this point. I can't quit at this point. We are too far into it. All I can do is trust that the market will still be there when it is ready. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/31/1103:07 AM
I am about to buy a 70 RR auto and can tell you I look forward to buying one of your 5 speeds. I feel your pain on waiting on machine shops. We are all with you.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/03/1102:50 PM
Jamie, I'm really looking forward to the day you release the transmission. I know you probably can't answer this, but with the amount of attention this transmission has received, will you get back-ordered when you finally start selling this or will you be able to keep the production up?
I have another question that I couldn't find an answer to anywhere on various forums you have posted on.
Will it do really high rpm shifts? I know this has been mentioned as a problem on the TKO 600. The reason I ask is that I don't think the 650 ft-lb is gonna be a problem on my ride (small block) but I would like to be able to shift smoothly above 6500 rpm.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/22/1103:08 PM
Quote: I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas, but I believe it will be worth it. I for one am glad that you are to far in it, to give up. I will continue to wait patiently.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/31/1107:24 PM
Rumor from a couple of guys claiming to be somehow associated with Passon's at Fall Fling in LA; was that the tail shaft's porosity is the issue that's holding up the release. They claimed about 3 or 4 more months until they start shipping.
They explained that Jamie is working on applying a suitable internal coating that will eliminate any porosity related issues.
Having read for years about Jamie's reputation for perfection, I'm confident once it finally is released that it will be nothing short of well-refined and simply amazing.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/01/1101:36 AM
Quote: Rumor from a couple of guys claiming to be somehow associated with Passon's at Fall Fling in LA; was that the tail shaft's porosity is the issue that's holding up the release. They claimed about 3 or 4 more months until they start shipping.
They explained that Jamie is working on applying a suitable internal coating that will eliminate any porosity related issues.
Having read for years about Jamie's reputation for perfection, I'm confident once it finally is released that it will be nothing short of well-refined and simply amazing.
If it came from the same source I heard it from.....it ain't no rumor, it's fact.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/01/1104:52 PM
Quote:
Quote: Rumor from a couple of guys claiming to be somehow associated with Passon's at Fall Fling in LA; was that the tail shaft's porosity is the issue that's holding up the release. They claimed about 3 or 4 more months until they start shipping.
They explained that Jamie is working on applying a suitable internal coating that will eliminate any porosity related issues.
Having read for years about Jamie's reputation for perfection, I'm confident once it finally is released that it will be nothing short of well-refined and simply amazing.
If it came from the same source I heard it from.....it ain't no rumor, it's fact.
If this is the case then what about the maincase ?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/02/1112:53 AM
From what I gather, the main case casting has no porosity issues, the tailshaft castings were poured later and the alloy was changed by the foundry for what ever reason, rather than re-do the whole lot (probably a timeline and BIG money issue) I guess they're going to coat the inside.
I would imagine that testing the coating is what's going on now.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/02/1105:50 PM
I knew a guy that had a small company. His MAIN business was painting the inside of aluminum engine cases for military helicoptors to eliminate porosity problems. I'd say it would be smart to paint the inside of everything.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/03/1103:23 PM
Well, Time for an update before the rumor mill creates it own update. The gentleman at the Fall Fling was Bob Reed. He is a friend of mine who agreed to pass out flyers and talk with people about the unit since I was never gonna make it out there for the show.
We have been wrestling with porosity issues with both the main case and the tailhousings. These are not a strength factor, it would be a leakage concern at best. However, still a very valid and important concern. We have been working impregnating the castings with a sealant. This is an extra step and time consuming. However, at this point, I feel necessary. We are also working on manufacturing the internal parts so that we can make a production run with all parts in hand. This is proving to be taking WAY longer than expected. However, the shops that we are working with are the best that we can find and I have decided that we are not in a position to go through a "learning curve" with other shops.
We have also had a few other small design "issues" develop during testing, and these are being remedied. I am very happy with each design improvement that we have made. It has made a better functioning unit.
As for what was said on the For A Bodies only forum, yes, I hurt the car BAD testing the trans. I just got it back from the frame shop and we will be installing a 12 point cage in the car to keep it straight. Then the unit will be going back into it and we will continue on. The awesome thing is that we didn't hurt the trans though. Believe me, I clubbed the hell out of it too.
Let me take a minute to say that I am very thankful for everyone's interest and amazing patience. It has been a struggle along the way here, but rest assured that we are doing our best to create a hobby changing product here. After all, where else will you be able to change your car to a 5 speed in an afternoon with NO cutting or fitment issues whatsoever???? It WILL be worth the wait!
As always, if anyone has questions, let me know. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/03/1103:30 PM
Quote:
As for what was said on the For A Bodies only forum, yes, I hurt the car BAD testing the trans. I just got it back from the frame shop and we will be installing a 12 point cage in the car to keep it straight. Then the unit will be going back into it and we will continue on. The awesome thing is that we didn't hurt the trans though. Believe me, I clubbed the hell out of it too.
what , where , who ??
Hopefully the driver and any passengers were not hurt .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/04/1104:35 PM
Jamie,
It will be a while before I move to the five speed (still have the 4 speed OD gear set I bought for my 833 from you). To all of those waiting:
What other company would delay incoming revenue to launch a new product while perfecting it? Most would start selling to get $ in and tell the early buyers sorry, or sell them parts to upgrade later.
Hats off to you guys for being putting quality first, and for your innovative products.
I hope you are able to bring more of your production internal, as that will be more parts that are quality first in the trans.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/04/1109:44 PM
I am waiting also for a 5 speed for my 73 duster, heres my question to all of you, Keisler is allegedly coming out with a perfect fit 5 speed for the A-Body sometime around the summer. Right now there is a speedo cable/torsion bar crossmember fitment issue they have to rectify.(I just spoke to them on the phone) If and when the Keisler comes out they claim it will be a no cutting, bolt in application for 1500-2000 dollars less than the Passon 5-speed. I just want the forums opinion on the difference between the 2 and which way YOU would go. 2 very different products that do the same thing?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/04/1110:31 PM
I have 572 hemi in a 4100 lb 67 gtx and was told by Keisler that their trans would likly not handle the torque it puts out, so in my case there is only one choice and am prepared to wait till Jamie gets it ready. I am confident that he will have a fantastic trans when it comes to market and really appreciate the fact he is making sure it is ready. I currently have Keislers A41 4L60 automatic in my car and it has failed to handle the HP & Torque. I also really believe you get what you pay for.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/04/1111:34 PM
Quote: I am waiting also for a 5 speed for my 73 duster, heres my question to all of you, Keisler is allegedly coming out with a perfect fit 5 speed for the A-Body sometime around the summer. Right now there is a speedo cable/torsion bar crossmember fitment issue they have to rectify.(I just spoke to them on the phone) If and when the Keisler comes out they claim it will be a no cutting, bolt in application for 1500-2000 dollars less than the Passon 5-speed. I just want the forums opinion on the difference between the 2 and which way YOU would go. 2 very different products that do the same thing?
No cutting in an a-body, eh? Good luck with that. Proof in the pudding.
The Passon is basically the same design as an 833, so zero cutting whatsoever.
I also think in this case, you'll get what you pay for and believe the Passon will have much more abusive torture testing done on it than the Keister.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/05/1112:34 AM
Quote: I am waiting also for a 5 speed for my 73 duster, heres my question to all of you, Keisler is allegedly coming out with a perfect fit 5 speed for the A-Body sometime around the summer. Right now there is a speedo cable/torsion bar crossmember fitment issue they have to rectify.(I just spoke to them on the phone) If and when the Keisler comes out they claim it will be a no cutting, bolt in application for 1500-2000 dollars less than the Passon 5-speed. I just want the forums opinion on the difference between the 2 and which way YOU would go. 2 very different products that do the same thing?
Really? Another no-cutting, perfect fit solution from the people who brough you the transmission "without" a 3rd gear shifting problem, who just recently came out with a new and improved transmission that eliminates the 3rd gear shifting problems that never officially exsisted.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/06/1105:58 AM
I'm sure if you offshore production and/or go with lighter duty parts that you could easily cut 1500-2K off the price tag. I'm also sure that people want junky stuff in their hobby car they plan to beat on.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/07/1107:39 AM
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Quote: Quote: Yes, You will need to remove the lockout rod.
, you just lost 3 potential sales ...
... John, PLEASE tell me you are kidding me... PLEASE. Jamie
Jamie you know me better than that ... My cars don't have a lockout rod so I'm good to go.
I betting if someone really had to have the lockout it could be made to work..... But then I was able to put a 518 O/D in an E body without cutting the floor or crossmember over ten years ago & people still say it can't be done....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/1107:15 AM
The factories have used "Waterglass" - sodium silicate - to treat porosity problems for decades. There are many variations of it, including one that for years was used to seal eggs to keep them from incubating. I was told years ago that every trans case run at one of the local GM plants was dipped to prevent porosity and the resulting leaks. Look it up in Wikipedia and you will be amazed at it's uses.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/10/1104:51 AM
Would be nice if it worked for you. We used a version of waterglass on the farm years ago to prep eggs, and a gentleman that was an engineer for GM transmissions told me about them using it to seal their cases and other parts. Another version of it is what is poured down into the engines for the gov't car buyout deal.
To be honest with you, I think it would solve your porosity problems, but I don't know the lifespan of it, as if would it breakdown after 5, 10, 20 years and start seeping. I see a lot of (automatic) transmissions that suddenly have issues that changing valve bodies, solenoids, etc. don't fix, so another core is prepped and used. I wonder if it is a case of the sealant breaking down resulting in an internal leak between oil passages. While that failure would be an easy to check situation for a manual trans case - a few block off plates and a dip tank - it is a hard diagnosis for an automatic with all its passages. Food for thought.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/23/1111:42 PM
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Quote: John, There was not a price increase. Cost is set to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage. Thanks, Jamie
Thanks for the correction on that Jamie , I didn't have the time to go back looking for it , very reasonable price for what you are offering .
For anyone wanting to compare price on something somewhat comparable the Richmond Super Street 5 speed = $4,370.80. In comparable, I mean built in USA, good materials, etc. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RMG-7030518B/
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/24/1104:26 AM
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Quote:
Quote: John, There was not a price increase. Cost is set to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage. Thanks, Jamie
Thanks for the correction on that Jamie , I didn't have the time to go back looking for it , very reasonable price for what you are offering .
For anyone wanting to compare price on something somewhat comparable the Richmond Super Street 5 speed = $4,370.80. In comparable, I mean built in USA, good materials, etc. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RMG-7030518B/
And no, it is probably not a bolt in...
I have a Richmond 5-speed in my car and it's FAR from being a bolt-in transmission.Also add about $400 for a shifter and linkage,another $400 for a new longer driveshaft and turbo 400 yoke,entire new custom made crossmember and mount,cut and box your torsion bar crossmember,some sort of custom made speedo cable...the list goes on and on and if you can't do all the fabrication and welding yourself I would charge at least $600 to do the swap Now take all that into consideration when weighing your "OPTIONS" for a 5 speed Jamie has created the ONLY true bolt in 5-speed Now all I have to do is save up a few grand more and I will enter the list to get one if there are any left Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/25/1103:17 AM
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And no, it is probably not a bolt in...
I have a Richmond 5-speed in my car and it's FAR from being a bolt-in transmission.Also add about $400 for a shifter and linkage,another $400 for a new longer driveshaft and turbo 400 yoke,entire new custom made crossmember and mount,cut and box your torsion bar crossmember,some sort of custom made speedo cable...the list goes on and on and if you can't do all the fabrication and welding yourself I would charge at least $600 to do the swap Now take all that into consideration when weighing your "OPTIONS" for a 5 speed Jamie has created the ONLY true bolt in 5-speed
Yep, that was kind of my point. What I was also trying to illustrate was that for the hardware the price was in line with a competitive unit. The new Richmond 5 speed OD transmission has similar features, good materials, made in the USA and a similar price. Of course then you are back to the same old problem of getting a bellhousing, clutch, driveshaft, etc. to work PLUS cutting up your car.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/27/1103:41 AM
We are finalizing fitment on the '62 -'65 B Body cars right now. Making a special tower for the shifter mechanism to allow you to use your factory shifter handle and console. This turned out to be quite a "project". However, I will say that doing our homework early has allowed us 100% fitment with NO CUTTING on any car we have tried so far. I personally think that is ground breaking! So far, we have confirmed fitment in '67 up A body cars, '66 - '70 B Body cars, '70 - '74 E Body / '71-74 B Body bucket seat cars and '62 - '65 B Body cars. Currently finishing our "run in" stand right now.
I have a '71-4 Bench seat B Body car lined up to do next, but I do not have a '63 - '66 A Body car lined up yet. This is the final body style that we need. Is there anyone somewhat local that would be interested in letting us do some test fitting? The requirements are that it MUST be an original manual trans car with the original floor in it. It also MUST have the original k frame arrangement with factory style motor mounts. PM me or call if anyone is interested.
I want to take a minute to thank everyone for being so patient. I know that we are way over our projected time frame here, but I just cannot release something until it is 101% right. (no that isn't a typo)!!!! Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/28/1112:39 AM
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I have a '71-4 Bench seat B Body car lined up to do next, but I do not have a '63 - '66 A Body car lined up yet. This is the final body style that we need. Is there anyone somewhat local that would be interested in letting us do some test fitting? The requirements are that it MUST be an original manual trans car with the original floor in it. It also MUST have the original k frame arrangement with factory style motor mounts. PM me or call if anyone is interested.
I wish I were local to you. I'm anxiously awaiting the availability of this trans for my 66 Barracuda and would gladly offer my car, but I'm not local to you. Hopefully someone with an early A will step up soon!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/03/1201:13 AM
Jamie this is my first post on this forum and I have to say thanks for all your effort with this project.I'll be getting one for my 70 RR when they hit the market...best of luck sir1
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/23/1202:29 PM
A little update for everyone. I actually did locate an original 65 Dart slant 6 4 speed 2 miles from my shop. Already had it in here to test fit everything. So, we are not really in need of a 63-66 car anymore at this point. Thanks to everyone that offered though. More to come... Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1202:09 AM
How much horsepower will one of these take? I got a pro street tire on the car (tubbed) but doublt it will ever see a slick car will prob weigh around 3100 pounds
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1204:34 PM
Fitment in 66-70 B Bodies has been handled. It fits. The plan is to release the unit in 4 months. I assure you that we are working dilligently to finish the unit. However, I will not release anything until it is ready. I totally understand if you don't want to wait and I respect that. If you decide to go the Keisler route, I wish you luck and hopefully you don't have to cut your floor. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1204:49 PM
Very good info Jamie . I would say this is worth the wait. The testing he is putting these things through give him and us confidence we are getting a good part. He could have released these last summer and sold x# of transmission that would possibly fail on people. Instead he is waiting to get everything in order to create a long lasting transmission. I can't imagine the amount of money is tied up in this project...
Quote: If you decide to go the Keisler route, I wish you luck and hopefully you don't have to cut your floor.
So would that mean to buy a car with a rusted out floor already. A direct bolt in 5 speed, sounds like an afternoon job switching the 4 for the 5 speed.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1206:20 PM
Quote: Fitment in 66-70 B Bodies has been handled. It fits. The plan is to release the unit in 4 months. I assure you that we are working dilligently to finish the unit. However, I will not release anything until it is ready. I totally understand if you don't want to wait and I respect that. If you decide to go the Keisler route, I wish you luck and hopefully you don't have to cut your floor. Thanks, Jamie
I may wait the 4-months. I am ready to drop the new 505" stroked 440 into the '69 Coronet and I could just use the 4-speed that I have in the meantime, but it needs new seals and linkage bushings. Changing the transmission out later is not a big deal now that I have a lift and trans jack. I just would like to get the overdrive trans because the car has a 4.10:1 dana60.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/25/1206:52 PM
Myself I've waited a long time to have this 70 RR and to wait a while longer for a 5spd like the one Jamie is producing is not a problem...sure am anxious to see how it all works out though.I'm sure it'll be well worth the wait...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/26/1208:20 AM
Hi Jamie,
I was wondering if you have fixed the porous case problem yet buddy ?
If not, maybe you could paint the inside of the cases with the same paint we use in engine building that is not effected by oil, it is a electrical paint, the name of it escapes me right now, i will re-post when i remember what it is called.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/26/1207:23 PM
Quote: Hi Jamie,
I was wondering if you have fixed the porous case problem yet buddy ?
If not, maybe you could paint the inside of the cases with the same paint we use in engine building that is not effected by oil, it is a electrical paint, the name of it escapes me right now, i will re-post when i remember what it is called.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/27/1209:24 PM
Quote: We did. We modified castings slightly. We are also vacuum resin sealing the cases now just to make sure!
First time I post but from all the effort you are putting in this thing I think it is going to be a solid piece. So much so I may purchase one. One question is the 833 a good road course tranmission? Matt
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/28/1202:31 AM
Quote: We did. We modified castings slightly. We are also vacuum resin sealing the cases now just to make sure!
That is good to hear
Have you figured out a final price for these yet please ? Have you got a breakdown of costs, or an itemized list..... Thanks so much, great to see you are nearly there
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/30/1204:55 PM
Matt, We have sold quite a few road course A-833 units to people. Mostly for use over in Europe. Customers have been very happy. We use our aluminum case and a 2.47 23 spline gearset.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/30/1204:58 PM
Hemiken, The cost for the unit is going to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage. I'm not sure what type of an itemized list you are looking for. Are you talking like: Main Case: $XXX.00 Cluster gear: $XXX.00 etc. ??? Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/31/1201:32 AM
Quote: Hemiken, The cost for the unit is going to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage. I'm not sure what type of an itemized list you are looking for. Are you talking like: Main Case: $XXX.00 Cluster gear: $XXX.00 etc. ??? Jamie
Hi Jamie,
What i meant was how much for the gear box, how much for the shifter to suite the 5 speed, how much for the bell housing, how much for the clutch assembly, etc, etc. How much for a complete unit and what comes with it
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/31/1202:49 AM
He said the price was for the transmission, shifter and linkage. If you need other parts the price will depend on what parts you choose. You can find prices on his web site.
Quote:
Quote: Hemiken, The cost for the unit is going to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage. I'm not sure what type of an itemized list you are looking for. Are you talking like: Main Case: $XXX.00 Cluster gear: $XXX.00 etc. ??? Jamie
Hi Jamie,
What i meant was how much for the gear box, how much for the shifter to suite the 5 speed, how much for the bell housing, how much for the clutch assembly, etc, etc. How much for a complete unit and what comes with it
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/31/1206:37 PM
Quote: Matt, We have sold quite a few road course A-833 units to people. Mostly for use over in Europe. Customers have been very happy. We use our aluminum case and a 2.47 23 spline gearset.
That sounds cool!
What else makes an 833 a "road course" tranny, other then gears/alum case mentioned above? Not sure if address previously, can you install or are their provisions for lube external cooling ports in the 5 spd for road course apps?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/01/1201:37 PM
Torture testing Passon Performance Products ummm I just ran a check of my log book
1000 track miles on the Passon alum case 4 sp overdrive and 750 track miles of Passon alum case 2.66 1st gear 4 speed. Another 750 track miles of an iron case 2.66 1st gear Passon 4 speed
Speeds range between 70-130 mph, time under duress 50 minutes per session 4x/day/2 days, no problems, no temp issues, no issues period, no vibration, just lots of fun.
Track is 3.4 miles 1000 miles is 294 laps... 750 miles is 221 laps
Everyone please be patient with the process of creating the the best 5 speed transmissions. Jamie will not release the beast until it's 101 percent right.
Unlike others in the business the Passon products work because: Quality goes in before the name goes on.
Quality and integrity will be remembered long after the price is forgotten.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/02/1212:26 PM
3-4 front straight 4-3 to the esses 3-4 middle of the esses End of back straight 4-3 hold 3d till toe of the boot 3-2 into toe 2 thru the toe, hold on for the six pak hit 2/3/4 coming out of toe up the hill 4-3 at top of hill hold till front straight
Track is 3.4 miles 1000 miles is 294 laps... 750 miles is 221 laps Total laps is 736 7 shifts per lap 5152 shifts
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/02/1201:31 PM
Quote: He said the price was for the transmission, shifter and linkage. If you need other parts the price will depend on what parts you choose. You can find prices on his web site.
Quote:
Quote: Hemiken, The cost for the unit is going to be $4295.00 including shifter mechanism and linkage.
I'm not sure what type of an itemized list you are looking for. Are you talking like: Main Case: $XXX.00 Cluster gear: $XXX.00 etc. ??? Jamie
Hi Jamie,
What i meant was how much for the gear box, how much for the shifter to suite the 5 speed, how much for the bell housing, how much for the clutch assembly, etc, etc. How much for a complete unit and what comes with it
Thanks mate, Kenny.
Hey Drag Stripper,
You think my eyes are painted on or something mate, it is called an explanation to what he asked; I'm not sure what type of an itemized list you are looking for.
How about you stick your nose somewhere else and read before you post replies, i wasn't asking you anything. I was talking to Jamie and he cleared it up...............
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/02/1206:05 PM
Hey Ken, if you'd bothered to read the entire thread you wouldn't be asking stupid questions and being a pest. You've got a PM!
Quote:
What i meant was how much for the gear box, how much for the shifter to suite the 5 speed, how much for the bell housing, how much for the clutch assembly, etc, etc. How much for a complete unit and what comes with it
You think my eyes are painted on or something mate, it is called an explanation to what he asked; I'm not sure what type of an itemized list you are looking for.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1212:40 AM
Quote: Hey Ken, if you'd bothered to read the entire thread you wouldn't be asking stupid questions and being a pest. You've got a PM!
I read the lot and with extra work and fine tuning of parts - R&D, comes extra costs involved in production. Which can lead to extra cost for the consumer. Your PM was pathetic.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/1208:50 PM
I am hoping before that, but that is a realistic time frame. The throw is MUCH shorter than stick. As a reference, with a factory '68-74 A Body handle. TOTAL throw from 1st to 2nd is 3 1/2 inches. This is a VAST improvement over stock.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/10/1203:21 PM
Hey Jamie, I know you're working on B-body bench seat fittment (which is what my '71 RR is). Will I retain the stock "dogbone" bracket to bolt to the front mount? secondly, forgive my laziness, but will there be a pistol-grip available for the new mechanism? Lastly, are you taking deposits? thanks!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/11/1203:00 AM
Quote: At this point, it is likely that all three will be at the same time
Jamie, I joined the likely not so exclusive "waiting list" for an A-body version on roughly December 13th 2010. I took the opportunity last summer to visit your booth in Columbus (strategically hidden in the swap area) and came to the conclusion that I did the right thing.
1) About how many people are waiting on the list? And about how long will it take to clear the back log? 2) Will those on the list be given a heads up and a first right of refusal? How do you plan on handling this? 3) We likely need to have at least a cursory conversation on the options, but that said, I am pretty much ready to send the check as soon as you are ready to start crating them for shipment.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1210:02 PM
1) Currently there are 128 people on the list. I am not quite sure yet how long to clear the backlog. 2) Once we are ready, we will be calling everyone that is on the list to get specifics (bearing retainer size, press in or bolt on shifter handle) 3)We will be having more than a cursory discussion. This is a fair amount of money, therefore, I want everyone's questions answered before taking deposits. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/25/1202:28 AM
Jamie,
Thanks.
Press in or bolt on? Please explain, the only ones I remember seeing were the bolt on Hurst style.
As for bearing retainer size - I need a bell housing also, prefer SFI style like the Quicktime, so you will have to tell me. I would also need a recommendation on the clutch actuation mechanism(s). I have a stock set of pedals for this car, but that is all the parts I presently have for the conversion. I am getting ahead of myself, these questions can wait.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/1204:57 PM
Everyone that has specific questions that relate specifically to their situation, maybe get a hold of me via e-mail. I would prefer to handle these just between us. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/11/1203:27 PM
At this point, we are waiting on bearings. I am using this time wisely to get everything else in order. We are planning on starting production beginning in May. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/03/1207:10 PM
Other than I am now residing in a padded room? No. We are still waiting on shifters and one of the bearings. We have started assembling what components that we can assemble though. We will have display units at Carlisle. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/04/1206:48 PM
Thanks for the update. It's nice to know a high-quality, bolt-in, super-tough, pistol-grip-shifted Passon 5-speed is getting closer and closer to being under my car.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/06/1206:08 AM
OK,Me too! Hope your septic system is still working OK, 'cause I know enough about them to "fix" it for you even if it ain't broke Just kidding,just kidding Jame! Hope you get in a position soon to start relieving us,the unwashed, of our meager funds!!! Aloha, Bear
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/08/1203:21 AM
Quote: Thanks for the update. It's nice to know a high-quality, bolt-in, super-tough, pistol-grip-shifted Passon 5-speed is getting closer and closer to being under my car.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/08/1210:21 PM
Quote: At this point, we are waiting on bearings. I am using this time wisely to get everything else in order. We are planning on starting production beginning in May. Thanks, Jamie
Jamie, If you are having problems getting bearings now, how will it be 20 years from now? Tim
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/09/1211:51 AM
Quote:
Quote: At this point, we are waiting on bearings. I am using this time wisely to get everything else in order. We are planning on starting production beginning in May. Thanks, Jamie
Jamie, If you are having problems getting bearings now, how will it be 20 years from now? Tim
Jamie, I didn't know you were a psychic, what are the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/09/1201:52 PM
Quote:
Quote: At this point, we are waiting on bearings. I am using this time wisely to get everything else in order. We are planning on starting production beginning in May. Thanks, Jamie
Jamie, If you are having problems getting bearings now, how will it be 20 years from now? Tim
I doubt the problem is Jamie can't get 1 bearings. Jamie more then likely is waiting for a 100 bearings to ship. Bearing supplier doesn't stock the bearings as they are made to order.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/11/1205:29 AM
Quote: I doubt the problem is Jamie can't get 1 bearings. Jamie more then likely is waiting for a 100 bearings to ship. Bearing supplier doesn't stock the bearings as they are made to order.
I had a set of 32 I tried to order for a project in 2004. They were not a very unusual size, about 4" diameter. Anyway, ended up 120 days back ordered and I could not get the supplier to even guarantee I would ever get them. Apparently the same bearing is used in a military application and the DOD was "pulling rank" and had first priority on all production. I ended up redesigning the assembly to use a slightly different bearing...
Last week I was looking to order 200 replacement sensors. Supplier informed me the entire US stock was 201. I ordered 98 for now, I'll order more later. It is not uncommon, especially these days to run into these issues. No one wants to carry inventory, everyone wants to run lean and no one wants to get stuck with product sitting on shelves. I continually run into situations where my vendors can not supply me in a timely manner. It hurts our business.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/06/1206:51 PM
Let me nip this in the bud, before because there is already "incorrect assumptions" being made. We are staging production. Building 30 units at a time. This is the only way we can do it due to shortfalls from suppliers. We are notifying the people that are on the order list right now to either stay on and give a deposit, or drop out. This product has not been released yet. The reason being is because it is going to be several months until we can get all the orders filled. Last count was over 190 units. Once this happens, I will make the announcement that it is available. This seems like the most logical way to do this. We are planning for delivery of the first "lot" at the end of October. I see no sense in making an announcement that its available!!! and oh its gonna be 4 months till we can provide one for you. I am sure that not everyone is going to agree with the way we are doing this, but I have thought long and hard about how to do it and this seemed the most fair. As always, any questions, just ask. Thanks for your continued patience, but the wait is almost over! Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/09/1209:31 PM
I've been on the waiting list a long time now but it's awesome to hear that good things come to those who wait.
*Jamie, concerning replacment parts, bearings, gaskets, etc. Do you plan on carrying stock on them so that we can buy extras of wear items for future repairs at home or local to us customers? If so I'd be ibterested in a price and availability list so I can stock up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1212:59 AM
Quote: I've been on the waiting list a long time now but it's awesome to hear that good things come to those who wait.
And, I'd like to remind those who think it's taking too long that he was sorta forced to announce this product prematurely. Start over in the thread if you don't know what I mean.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1203:16 PM
Quote: I've been on the waiting list a long time now but it's awesome to hear that good things come to those who wait.
*Jamie, concerning replacment parts, bearings, gaskets, etc. Do you plan on carrying stock on them so that we can buy extras of wear items for future repairs at home or local to us customers? If so I'd be ibterested in a price and availability list so I can stock up.
Scott, Good question, Let me be clear to everyone. At this time, we do not plan to sell replacement parts. Nor are we authorizing any repairs to be done "at home" I think everyone knows us long enough that we are fair. Especially on our labor rates when you consider the market. We are the only authorized repair facility. I don't see this changing either. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1203:49 PM
My only concern with that is that there is only one "Jamie Passon", and not that I'm being gloomy or anything but the reallity is that people get hurt, don't live forever, have financial problems, quit business, etc. Just looking at repair and maintainance options should they be needed further down the road. The other issue would be logistics, shipping costs, time, etc. getting one back and forth to your shop, especially for something minor. I'm buying one either way but feel it's a valid concern.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1209:20 PM
That would be the best way that I can think of to run customers off. Thank goodness you let the cat out of the bag before a lot of people purchased and found you can't buy parts after the fact. So instead of purchasing a part and installing your self you have to ship the transmission to Passon then pick up the tab on shipping back. I have been interested in the development of this product since the announcement but I have to admit this revelation has extinguished any interest.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1210:55 PM
Quote: That would be the best way that I can think of to run customers off. Thank goodness you let the cat out of the bag before a lot of people purchased and found you can't buy parts after the fact. So instead of purchasing a part and installing your self you have to ship the transmission to Passon then pick up the tab on shipping back. I have been interested in the development of this product since the announcement but I have to admit this revelation has extinguished any interest.
same here. i was looking for 4 of theese for my cars. with that policy, i will pass and find an alternate.........
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1211:11 PM
IMO Maybe there is a good reason he not immediately offering up parts like offshore chinese parts or unauthorized manufacturing of the parts it maybe a way to have the best quality control of your product ..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/10/1211:14 PM
That seems kind of unfair to me. You're asking a guy to buy extra parts when he is struggling to even get enough to built complete units?
And who does damage control to his reputation when "Bob" put's the bearings in backwards and Jamie get's the flack because the transmission ate itself and is junk?
It's not like he's buying and modding Tremecs.
Never had any issues with Jamie, and I can't remember anyone saying they did. Nobody's perfect, but come on. I'm sure he will stand behind his product and if there is an issue, he will fix it. But why should he pay shipping if you put 200,000 miles on a unit and it needs new sychro's? Don't remember Chrysler doing that, why should Jamie?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1212:24 AM
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Scott, Good question, Let me be clear to everyone. At this time, we do not plan to sell replacement parts. Nor are we authorizing any repairs to be done "at home" I think everyone knows us long enough that we are fair. Especially on our labor rates when you consider the market. We are the only authorized repair facility. I don't see this changing either. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1201:56 AM
Hey it's their transmission and if they want to monopolize the parts and repair it's their business. But I will bet you if everyone one on the waiting list is made aware of these facts and they should be. The waiting list will get considerably shorter.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1202:43 AM
Well, Where do I start... I gotta be honest, I was not expecting to receive the firestorm that I did here. I think that you guys might be putting the cart before the horse here. The trans has not even been officially released and already people are freaking out about parts. I am partnered on this project. So rest assured, parts will still be available after Scott Smith has me killed off. There is a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty on the transmission.
This being said, let me present a situation. You buy a nice new Dodge Ram and the trans starts malfunctioning. It is still under warranty, but you are gonna buy the parts from the dealer, pay for them and pull the trans, try to repair it and put the truck back together???? Lets be serious guys!!!! REALLY??? You bet your ass you are gonna call the dealer and get it fixed. and get it fixed NOT ON YOUR NICKEL! I think you see my point here. At least I would hope so.
To be quite honest with you, I have not thought in depth about the sale of parts. I have been a bit preoccupied with getting the product finished. Contrary to what some people may think about us MONOPOLIZING parts / labor, that is the furthest thing from the truth. It is about not having units out there that unskilled people have messed with. I am not cutting on anyone, but the fact of the matter is that some people shouldn't touch stuff they are not experts on. I sure would not try bodywork. I am not a body guy. What I do not want to happen is at the Saturday night cruise, a guy walks up and asks what trans is in the Challenger that someone just bought, and the guy says a Passon A-855, but it shifts like crap. I really doubt he is gonna elaborate that "Bob" took it apart and messed with it. The end result is that that guy goes on a web board and talks about how crappy the Passon 5 speed is. Trust me, it happens. Hopefully, you guys see where I am going with this.
As far as people having to wait for their stuff, this country is ruled by the Wal Mart mentality. I want it yesterday, I don't want to pay anything for it and I want the quality to be outstanding. It doesn't work like that. I assure you that we will make any repairs of the utmost priority in the shop should there need to be any.
Not to mention, I don't want another "edelbrock head copy situation.
In closing, I would like to say that we will definitely sit down and discuss the parts aspect of the project at the earliest possible time. I was not aware that this would be such a sticking point. Probably because I just figure service after the sale to be second nature. I will keep a close watch on how this discussion develops. I will also consider people's feeling in deciding how we are going to handle this. I feel that it is unfortunate that people are so quick to write off a project that quick. Nonetheless, I respect your decision. I do find something odd though. Out of the nearly 200 people on the order list, NO ONE has asked me about parts availability for the unit at the time of order.
This reply is not meant to attack anyone personally. I am certainly open to discussion as I have been through this whole project.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1203:45 AM
Jamie while in warranty we are talking a whole different ball game. But after the warranty has expired and my transmission needs a tune up I would want to procure the parts from you and not have to ship my transmission and wait for a repair then a return shipment. I think the reason no one has questioned you about parts is that that they are not thinking in the long term and are assuming that parts will be available in a conventional manor. I am not trying to start trouble just giving the opinion of a interested consumer.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1204:51 AM
Hi Jamie,
Actually I didn't expect to see as much backlash myself, nor was I expecting your reply to be what it was. Keep in mind that I am a MAJOR supporter of you and your products, always have been
I was only asking because I've been around a long time and I've seen good companies and good people end businesses, die off, etc. (Ask me about Dick Landy sometime) and when investing 4K plus into a complicated piece of custom equipment I would like to know (for sure) that if Passon Performance was no longer around, that I could either already have, or purchase, the parts and pieces to do the repairs, ESPECIALLY after the warranty period is over. OF COURSE my first choice would be to have you guys do any work on it, that absalutely goes without saying. It would be nice to know that I could buy and stock spare gaskets, bearings, and other wear items to just have on the shelf for someday, that's what I do with many other items for my cars. I'd have ZERO desire to tear it open and work on it myself, just thinking ahead.
Concerning "word on the street" bad mouthing of a home brewed repair gone wrong, there's not much you can do about that (with any product). Just be sure to write the warranty to reflect what you will or will not allow and the owners will have to make thier own decisions.
If someone wants to reverse engineer and copy your transmission it would be as simple as buying a transmission, not selling individual parts isn't going to make it any harder for them, that's what patents are for.
Lastly, I understand that you are already having parts sourcing issues which you need to use to build units and that may be a factor slowing the availability of spares, not a big deal, but I'd still like to know that when things catch up you'd have availability, at least for current owners/customers.
I'm on your team so please take this as a positive post, that's my intent.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1204:58 AM
The fact that Jamie is putting a warranty on this transmission is pretty awesome in itself. I didn't even think about repair parts because I don't even have one yet. I certainly don't expect this thing to break in the first few years. I know things happen and you can get bad parts but how long has Passon been around? I'm not worried about getting parts. Just keep plugging away Jamie, your doing a great service to the Mopar third pedal crowd. I can't wait to get mine but I also understand something of this quality and design doesn't happen over night.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/11/1201:44 PM
Well, I just got out of the emergency meeting that I called to discuss the parts availability of the project. After careful consideration of the concerns brought before us, We have decided to offer service parts. I will not be releasing a component price list until it is finalized though. So I really can't elaborate on component costs as of yet. So for everyone worried about getting parts after Scott Smith kills me off Don't worry. They will be available. I am open to any further questions or concerns that are brought up. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/13/1203:19 AM
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This being said, let me present a situation. You buy a nice new Dodge Ram and the trans starts malfunctioning. It is still under warranty, but you are gonna buy the parts from the dealer, pay for them and pull the trans, try to repair it and put the truck back together???? Lets be serious guys!!!! REALLY??? You bet your ass you are gonna call the dealer and get it fixed. and get it fixed NOT ON YOUR NICKEL! I think you see my point here. At least I would hope so.
Jamie
Jamie, I actually did this with my 2000 Ram 2500 with a Cummins because I knew the dealer wasn't going to fix it right. Not only on the transmission but with parts of the fuel system , I became my own warranty station on those parts on a truck with less than 40k miles with a 100k MAX CARE warranty that I paid extra for ...
But it's good to see that parts will eventually become available .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/15/1210:03 PM
I would not be worried here unless I was using a transmission for racing and needed spares at the track. Mr. Passon is the first guy to offer up the FedEx call tag in my experience. This is exciting, I can't wait to see some install pictures.
For clarification my call tag was not related to a warranty issue we were horse trading.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/25/1201:27 PM
I had the chance to meet Jamie this summer. In fact, he came to my family's business (car museum) while he was on a trip. We had a great discussion about 4 speeds and I know when my Charger is ready it will have a Passon transmission. Also Jamie, when I buy my tranny could you send some more of that peanut butter/ snack you had? Talk about awesome!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/02/1202:38 AM
When I think of parts I think of bearings gaskets, synchronizers, etc. The stuff you get in a rebuild kit for a A-833 right now. A kit like that would be something that I would probably want to buy. Particularly after all the talk of how hard it appears to have been to get ball bearings.
So my question Jamie is: what kind of ballpark cost would a rebuild kit containing parts similar to what you get to rebuild a A-833 be? $200? $500? $800? $1000? Not talking about gears here. Just the simple stuff to do a simple rebuild just like we do on current A-833's. That figure might be a deciding factor for me in whether to invest $4300 in one of these new 5-speeds.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/18/1212:09 PM
Quote: Well, I just got out of the emergency meeting that I called to discuss the parts availability of the project. After careful consideration of the concerns brought before us, We have decided to offer service parts. I will not be releasing a component price list until it is finalized though. So I really can't elaborate on component costs as of yet. So for everyone worried about getting parts after Scott Smith kills me off Don't worry. They will be available. I am open to any further questions or concerns that are brought up. Thanks, Jamie
Oh no, look at what you have done guys!! You have worn down Jamie and broken his iron will. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Now he has no dignity.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/18/1212:52 PM
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Quote: Well, I just got out of the emergency meeting that I called to discuss the parts availability of the project. After careful consideration of the concerns brought before us, We have decided to offer service parts. I will not be releasing a component price list until it is finalized though. So I really can't elaborate on component costs as of yet. So for everyone worried about getting parts after Scott Smith kills me off Don't worry. They will be available. I am open to any further questions or concerns that are brought up. Thanks, Jamie
Oh no, look at what you have done guys!! You have worn down Jamie and broken his iron will. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Now he has no dignity.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/18/1204:22 PM
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Quote: Well, I just got out of the emergency meeting that I called to discuss the parts availability of the project. After careful consideration of the concerns brought before us, We have decided to offer service parts. I will not be releasing a component price list until it is finalized though. So I really can't elaborate on component costs as of yet. So for everyone worried about getting parts after Scott Smith kills me off Don't worry. They will be available. I am open to any further questions or concerns that are brought up. Thanks, Jamie
Oh no, look at what you have done guys!! You have worn down Jamie and broken his iron will. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Now he has no dignity.
Anybody else read his post like the cookie monsters voice that is in his avatar deal?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/18/1206:31 PM
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Quote: Well, I just got out of the emergency meeting that I called to discuss the parts availability of the project. After careful consideration of the concerns brought before us, We have decided to offer service parts. I will not be releasing a component price list until it is finalized though. So I really can't elaborate on component costs as of yet. So for everyone worried about getting parts after Scott Smith kills me off Don't worry. They will be available. I am open to any further questions or concerns that are brought up. Thanks, Jamie
Oh no, look at what you have done guys!! You have worn down Jamie and broken his iron will. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Now he has no dignity.
Anybody else read his post like the cookie monsters voice that is in his avatar deal?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/16/1212:43 PM
Quote: Well, Where do I start... I gotta be honest, I was not expecting to receive the firestorm that I did here. I think that you guys might be putting the cart before the horse here. The trans has not even been officially released and already people are freaking out about parts. I am partnered on this project. So rest assured, parts will still be available after Scott Smith has me killed off. There is a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty on the transmission.
Hah!! Awesome... I'd watch that Scott Smith guy...
You are going about this the right way. Brutal truth, up front. SOOO many people take the other route, with promises based only on good intentions... and it always gets them into more trouble than being honest. If you lose customers being honest, so be it. If you have a good solid product at a reasonable price... you'll always sell it.
I'd LOVE to have that stick in my car. If i had a real job... i would be on that list.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/10/1306:47 PM
Quote: Jamie is busy right now making his product 100%
No product will be released until it is 100%
There are no 5th/reverse issues.
I realize it is difficult to fathom such an undertaking, but perhaps for once try....
Really????? This is the message I got from him.
Greg, We are still struggling with the 5th reverse interlock. The Hemi OD may be a good option. We have always had good feedback on the unit. That is why we are continuing to make them. A complete Hemi OD is $3210.00 to your door. Thanks, Jamie
So Tom... since you're so in the know and such an advocate, then why would you be calling him a liar???? I think some people here just reply to be seen...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/10/1306:49 PM
I think it will be well worth the wait. Jaime will stand behind his product. In the meantime I am putting my newly rebuilt 18 spline trans up for sale.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/12/1310:55 PM
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Quote: you guys can be the guineau pigs . im not hacking my car to fit in a corvette tranny .
im stickin it out , and beleive me im ready for one , but im not gonna abuse myself , been there seen that ..
and you dont think you will be a guinea pig with any new trans? this is not a corvette trans either. you are thinking of a tremec.....
Corvette / ford / jaguar , whatever that 700 is ..
i think Mr Passon is probably makin sure That this doesnt turn out to be a fiasco ..
And to answer your question furthermore -
Nope cause it fits in the tunnel and i wont have to change perfection with My factory sheetmetal .. , wiring , Pinion angle - crossmember , etc .
Customer service has always been responsive With this vendor - im certain it will be Just as good after the release .. If not better .
This is hot roddin , use whoevers you want ! Ive learned patience and perseverance with this hobby brings success.
BTW im not here to bicker with anyone - this post is to enlighten the peoples waitin for this product .. who cares what the other guys are doin .. But the thread IS getting polluted .. I am at fault for adding to it , sorry ..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/13/1307:33 PM
I have nothen bad to say about jamie but... there is no 100% that the new tranny will ever be open to purchase outright i realize how much work hes put into making it 110% but sometimes the market window is missed
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/1312:41 PM
Quote: I have nothen bad to say about jamie but... there is no 100% that the new tranny will ever be open to purchase outright i realize how much work hes put into making it 110% but sometimes the market window is missed
You just did indirectly imo .and its like your rubbin salt into the Wound , whats up .. If you dont have anything good to post , why post ?
Really ? Youre right ..all the major sawzall blades companies Are designing a special blade formulated To cut through virgin sheetmetal ..and moog is coming out with a special drag link , and spicer is creating an offset joint To repair pinion angle problems . All motives to create such products evident in the ongoing post in question and answer forum on moparts . All products Due to be released soon . They better hurry , id hate to use a plasma cutter and burn Through my carpet.! I hope these guys dont lose out on the market window !
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/1305:11 PM
Look at it like this there is not millions of people gonna line up to buy and were talking abount a nice chunk of coin some will wait and hope it makes it to market(wich i hope it does) some will grow tired of waiting for a day that possible will never come and want to drive there car now will buy what on the market NOW not many of the people will buy one now.and later also buy the passion tranny again the line of people that can/will lay down a good chunk of coin for a aftermarket trans is not miles long its been a long time sence the news of this tranny and still no product with no 100% you will ever get one for what ever reason id love.to have one and know he wants it to be 100% for the market its simple people will buy based on the opptions they have in front of them
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/1305:27 PM
Quote: Everyone can say there gonna buy a new trans but the line of people who will actually put down the coin for (anyones) new tranny is not a long one
Yeah, like nobody buys Tremecs to put in their musclecars? I've lost count of how many companies offer packages. It it wasn't popular there would only be Keisler.
There will be people interested in 5 and 6 speeds for many years to come. I want a Passon 5 spd as well, and went through enough of a nightmare with Keisler to never want to deal with them again. Instead I ordered a Hemi OD from Passon. At least I know it will fit, and it will never blow up. And, Jamie actually answers the phone and emails.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/1305:54 PM
I just went back and looked...THIS thread alone anounceing the debute and testing the fit is over 2years old would the thought even been there from jamie to build a brand new tranny if the others tranny/s would actually fit our cars with out cutting.........being such a large market for them as some think
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/1306:07 PM
It sounds like that some think that Jamie is dragging his feet on this and hasn't released it because he doesn't want to get up off the couch and pause his video game. I'm sure it is far from this.
I'm certain he wants these in your hands as much as you want them. Good grief, he's got a pile of cash invested and the last thing he wants is to lose sales because people go someplace else. I'm sure it's driving him crazy, too.
But I for one commend him for making it right before he releases them. Seems like most of society would have put them out hoping that they wouldn't break but knowing there was a good chance they would.
Give him a break, I'm sure he's working on this as hard as he can. And don't forget, he's at the mercy of suppliers, just like you are having to wait for him.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/1306:37 PM
Im sure he is not dragging his feet and has no control over the issues that have came up my thought was ........... you know how it is when you get the buy a brand new car bug....but if for some reason ya hold off the urge passes??? i hope this will not be the case with jamies new tranny being its been over a few years sence he anounced the testing of the tranny
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/15/1306:06 AM
Yeah, Its 12:05 AM and I'm STILL at the shop on Valentines Day... I've been here since 6:40 this morning. I am not crying by any means, but come on guys. I am not draggin my feet. BELIEVE ME! The bottom line is I don't want this: (ss700 thread on the question and answer forum) to happen to me. Not literally because I KNOW they fit, but nightmares for customers after the sale. I PERSONALLY installed one in each body style car. BUT, after this LONG road, the last thing I want is pissed off people calling and then trying to take care of problems that develop.
Toples, I can understand your thought process and agree to a certain extent about missing sales. Yeah, that keeps me up at night, but that is just part of the game. I have learned to deal with it. We are getting between 10 and 20 calls per day asking availability, so the interest is there. We have 228 preordered units so far as well. We are just about ready to start building. I am waiting on an interlock sample. As soon as I can prove that out, I will order the production run of those parts and start building.
I want to make this clear AGAIN. I never would have mentioned word one of this unit, but McLeod was supposedly ready to release a trans and because the market is so impulse driven, I had to say something. It still makes me angry that they forced my hand like that, but I was between a rock and a hard place. Oh well, water under the bridge at this point. We will keep plugging away. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/15/1301:08 PM
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I want to make this clear AGAIN. I never would have mentioned word one of this unit, but McLeod was supposedly ready to release a trans and because the market is so impulse driven, I had to say something. It still makes me angry that they forced my hand like that, but I was between a rock and a hard place. Oh well, water under the bridge at this point. We will keep plugging away. Jamie
that's right....did the Mcleod tranny ever come to fruition, or is it just vaporware? I haven't seen any mention of it since it was shown at SEMA...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/15/1309:54 PM
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I want to make this clear AGAIN. I never would have mentioned word one of this unit, but McLeod was supposedly ready to release a trans and because the market is so impulse driven, I had to say something. It still makes me angry that they forced my hand like that, but I was between a rock and a hard place. Oh well, water under the bridge at this point. We will keep plugging away. Jamie
that's right....did the Mcleod tranny ever come to fruition, or is it just vaporware? I haven't seen any mention of it since it was shown at SEMA...
In a way, I'm glad you did, otherwise people (who were in no rush to get a trans) would have bought Keisler/Tremec units instead of waiting for this new A-855.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/16/1301:17 AM
I'm still in Jamie I have been on the list for a while. I'm in no hurry still putting some $ back for this upgrade. The Hemi hasn't ate the 23 spline yet so all is good.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/18/1307:48 AM
Quote: Yeah, Its 12:05 AM and I'm STILL at the shop on Valentines Day... I've been here since 6:40 this morning. I am not crying by any means, but come on guys. I am not draggin my feet. BELIEVE ME! The bottom line is I don't want this: (ss700 thread on the question and answer forum) to happen to me. Not literally because I KNOW they fit, but nightmares for customers after the sale. I PERSONALLY installed one in each body style car. BUT, after this LONG road, the last thing I want is pissed off people calling and then trying to take care of problems that develop.
Toples, I can understand your thought process and agree to a certain extent about missing sales. Yeah, that keeps me up at night, but that is just part of the game. I have learned to deal with it. We are getting between 10 and 20 calls per day asking availability, so the interest is there. We have 228 preordered units so far as well. We are just about ready to start building. I am waiting on an interlock sample. As soon as I can prove that out, I will order the production run of those parts and start building.
I want to make this clear AGAIN. I never would have mentioned word one of this unit, but McLeod was supposedly ready to release a trans and because the market is so impulse driven, I had to say something. It still makes me angry that they forced my hand like that, but I was between a rock and a hard place. Oh well, water under the bridge at this point. We will keep plugging away. Jamie
Jamie, I am hoping for your sucess, some of the chatter is because of the need for some to be ubdated and without the occasional update rumors will abound. Just keep us informed and you wont have the spread of rumors. Tim
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/18/1307:31 PM
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Jamie, I am hoping for your sucess, some of the chatter is because of the need for some to be ubdated and without the occasional update rumors will abound. Just keep us informed and you wont have the spread of rumors. Tim
i agree. for good or bad, this thread is here, and that means the rumor mill is as well. pop in and give a one or two line update when you can, and that will keep everyone satisfied!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/18/1309:22 PM
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Jamie, I am hoping for your sucess, some of the chatter is because of the need for some to be ubdated and without the occasional update rumors will abound. Just keep us informed and you wont have the spread of rumors. Tim
i agree. for good or bad, this thread is here, and that means the rumor mill is as well. pop in and give a one or two line update when you can, and that will keep everyone satisfied!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/19/1307:31 PM
Jamie, Can you speak to performance of the new 5 speed in your various testing? I'm still interested in one, as well.
My conserns are Power shifting and doing it at higher rpms. Really pounding the crap out of it. I regularly let the clutch out at 6K at the track. I also drive my car all over the place in slow traffic and rural roads. I truely drive my car street and strip.
Has any of your testing involved drag strip testing yet? What types of cars / power levels have your transmissions been testing in?
I've gone from 23 spline trans and having some inconsistent problems power shifting at 6400rpm or so. Now I have an 18 spline and different clutch setup. Hoping to be able to keep that Right foot on the floor and never lift between shifts up high too. So far, I think that my new setup will be fine.
But I'd love to hear you speak on some performance testing of the new trans!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/22/1305:48 AM
Larry, I have tested the trans in my 70 Dart Swinger. 689 HP Indy headed 440. 4.56 Dana 60HD. Shifting at 6500 on the track. No in car footage as the Go Pro malfunctioned. I don't lift my right foot ever when I race. Trans survived fine. We already ruined an 8 3/4 Ring and pinion in a 69 Dart Stroker Small Block that we were testing in as well. I have in car footage of that, however, there is A LOT of wind noise that over powers the speakers, so its isn't the best, but you can see that I am not lifting. I also have other in car footage in a '75 Dart Sport with a 340 six pack, but for some reason there was no sound on that. I was shifting at 6000 in that not lifting between shifts. Larry, I am confident that you ain't gonna break it. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/22/1311:44 PM
Jamie,
Did the cars have slicks and what were the weights? I have a similar hp engine but running an E body with slicks. Weight and sticky make a big difference.
Thanks for all of your efforts to bring us a needed product.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1304:46 PM
Damon, Car Specs: 70 Dart Swinger 3660 lbs 689 HP Indy Headed 446 CU.IN. Dana 60 HD 4.56 Gears 29X10-15 Hoosier Slicks Launching at 4500 RPM (I had no reason to launch at 6500 like LAR414) Car ran 10.68 with torquflight. Was running 11.03 with stick. Lauching this hard brought to light the terrible inadequacy of the rear suspension on the car. Car was literally jumping vertical off the ground on the line. Missed 2 shifts all night. They were definitely operator error. I am not going to lie to anyone. I didn't rent the track for the day and make 200 runs. However, I feel the trans stood up well. We didn't break anything. I am not trying to outdo anyone on testing. So, hopefully this post doesn't create a tit for tat thing with who tested what way better. We are truly working our very hardest to provide the best quality piece to everyone. This is why I am trying to pay attention to every detail to the extent that we are. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1306:28 PM
Jamie, My little motor doesn't have the torque that yours does!
I actually found that launching higher helps my car. 5,800 last time out with 1.58 60' spinning the wheels and lifting the front tire off the ground to an 11.3
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/1306:43 PM
Jamie, Nice! Boy that leaves nice and level. Those front tires are probably the exact same height off the ground! No jungle gym in there either,...like mine.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/1308:33 PM
Larry, Thank you. This was with the torqueflight in it. Like I said, once I put the stick back in it (5 speed testing was my excuse) we had to rework the rear suspension and straighten the frame which I bent... Long story, but it was 11:00 pm when we left the track. I got home and just backed the truck and trailer in the shop and went up the house to bed. I came down the next morning and walked past the car and said to myself, "boy the one front strap really loosened up on the way home last night." The one front side of the car was like 4 inches higher than the other. So I loosened the straps later that morning and the car didn't come back up. So, I started to do some measuring. The passenger side rear frame rail was bent up almost 2". So, I got that straightened, put some real frame ties in and added a halo bar and front bars to the front frame rails at Herb McCandless's last Summer. There is nothing quite like working with a Legendary Drag Racer and listening to how they used to use tubing for the roll bars in the Sox and Martin cars that was so thin walled to save weight, you could almost squeeze it. Herb and his wife Marie are just WONDERFUL people! Herb's good friend Roger is always there help out too. 2 LOOOOONNNNGGGG days later, everything was good and the car is way more solid now. That was done end of year last year. We'll see how it leave this summer. Hopefully nice again. God it was fun to on the track again.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/1309:11 PM
Well I for one am very pleased that you are giving one of these transmissions a good beating This tranny deserves it after the beating it has given you over the past few years I have been collecting parts and building transmissions so I can flip them all and sell my race 5-speed to get one of these units.That is if there are any left after the initial run of people on the list are taken care of Good job Jamie Sounds like its actually right around the corner. Gus
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/1304:48 AM
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Come to think of it,... I don't remember seeing what the shift pattern is on the 855.
wow, we have been giving this thread bumps for almost 2 1/2 years now...... when can we buy one?
Why bump it? At this point you're either on the waiting list and have a right to call directly and ask what's up or you're a spectator (like me) waiting for real-world feedback that I'm sure will come some day.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/1307:45 AM
I'm on the list. Last I remember he said he gets 20 calls a day asking about updates. I didn't feel like bugging him just for a shift pattern that I might be able to get on this thread.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/1309:41 AM
I've have a great friend (name deleted) on the "list" over 2 years now, when are you going to produce??? I'm sure folks are getting really tired. I would be and I have no dog in this hunt,(but love to put one behind 5.7 hemi) but it sure would scare the heck out of me if I was on the list, esp. with a DP. I know you're trying to make it PERFECT, but is your trying anything like sending it out and learning from everyone else, make adjustments, send the updates to those that bought as long as they know? That's where you'll learn in earnest. It's just not your combo, but everyone's else's, that is what matters.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/1307:16 PM
Quote: I've have a great friend (name deleted) on the "list" over 2 years now, when are you going to produce??? I'm sure folks are getting really tired. I would be and I have no dog in this hunt,(but love to put one behind 5.7 hemi) but it sure would scare the heck out of me if I was on the list, esp. with a DP. I know you're trying to make it PERFECT, but is your trying anything like sending it out and learning from everyone else, make adjustments, send the updates to those that bought as long as they know? That's where you'll learn in earnest. It's just not your combo, but everyone's else's, that is what matters.
-Daty
most of us are absolutely clueless as to what it takes to do something like design and manufacture a transmission. if those of us without this kind of design and manufacturing experience, and all the trials an tribulations that go along with it, actually understood the process and all it takes, we would be stunned.
that a small, basically one man shop has done this is an amazing feat. even if it never sees the light of day, it is, as far as i'm concerned, the accomplishment of a lifetime.
this isn't a distributor, or an ignition box, where if something goes wrong, you can pop your old one in in 5 minutes and be running again. even if you are good at it, swapping transmissions is an hours long job. and then what do you do with it once it's out? not everyone has the experience or wants to tear into a transmission to replace a part.
so it's hours and hours of work, or hours of work and ship the transmission back to him, where he then has to take the time to tear it down, replace the part, and ship it back.
that's insane.
get it right the first time, as right as can be. don't let it out the door until your are 100% sure it's ready, because even then there will be gremlins.
jamie has nothing but my utmost respect for what he is doing and the way he is handling it. i've talked to him many times lately with other transmission stuff, and this is all stressful as hell to him.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/1307:39 PM
And we wouldn't have know anything if it wasn't for...
...I want to make this clear AGAIN. I never would have mentioned word one of this unit, but McLeod was supposedly ready to release a trans and because the market is so impulse driven, I had to say something. It still makes me angry that they forced my hand like that, but I was between a rock and a hard place. Oh well, water under the bridge at this point. We will keep plugging away. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/06/1303:35 AM
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most of us are absolutely clueless as to what it takes to do something like design and manufacture a transmission. if those of us without this kind of design and manufacturing experience, and all the trials an tribulations that go along with it, actually understood the process and all it takes, we would be stunned.
that a small, basically one man shop has done this is an amazing feat. even if it never sees the light of day, it is, as far as i'm concerned, the accomplishment of a lifetime.
this isn't a distributor, or an ignition box, where if something goes wrong, you can pop your old one in in 5 minutes and be running again. even if you are good at it, swapping transmissions is an hours long job. and then what do you do with it once it's out? not everyone has the experience or wants to tear into a transmission to replace a part.
so it's hours and hours of work, or hours of work and ship the transmission back to him, where he then has to take the time to tear it down, replace the part, and ship it back.
that's insane.
get it right the first time, as right as can be. don't let it out the door until your are 100% sure it's ready, because even then there will be gremlins.
jamie has nothing but my utmost respect for what he is doing and the way he is handling it. i've talked to him many times lately with other transmission stuff, and this is all stressful as hell to him.
he has my
I could not agree more......I have been on the list since there were only 70 people. I will gladly wait instead of having to remove it and send it back if it's no good due to Jamie rushing it out the door.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/09/1302:36 PM
Well, I want to thank everyone for the kind words. I also want to thank Daty for kicking me while I am down too. Great to know that "they" are alive and well. Daty, no offense to anyone, but I do not follow the practice of others. I don't believe that the end user should test our stuff for us. I am coming to the realization that I am 100% sure that someone is not going to be happy with the trans. Unfortunately, the common walmart mindset nowadays is just ridiculous. I want it yesterday, I don't want to pay anything for it, I want it to hold 1000 HP, I don't want to cut anything and I want it to sound like a Mercedes transmission. (not even hear it turning)
Believe me, I am not in this for my health. EVERY day that goes by, it rules my every thought. We are doing our best here. I am not holding a gun to anyone's head forcing you to buy it. There are plenty of other "Bolt In" options out there... Does anyone in their right mind think I want to have all this time and money out there like this not to produce a unit? SERIOUSLY!????
Now an update, We received our revised design 5th reverse interlock back. It is FINALLY within spec, so we are planning to begin building as soon as we receive them. ONCE AGAIN!!!!!! I AM NOT A FORTUNE TELLER!!!! I was told a month. So, when they are in my hand, We will start building. Sorry for the tangent, but enough is enough already! I understand everyone's frustration, I am quite sure, yours pales in comparison to mine. Also, the list is up to 269 people now. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/09/1305:04 PM
Quote: Well, I want to thank everyone for the kind words. I also want to thank Daty for kicking me while I am down too. Great to know that "they" are alive and well. Daty, no offense to anyone, but I do not follow the practice of others. I don't believe that the end user should test our stuff for us. I am coming to the realization that I am 100% sure that someone is not going to be happy with the trans. Unfortunately, the common walmart mindset nowadays is just ridiculous. I want it yesterday, I don't want to pay anything for it, I want it to hold 1000 HP, I don't want to cut anything and I want it to sound like a Mercedes transmission. (not even hear it turning)
Believe me, I am not in this for my health. EVERY day that goes by, it rules my every thought. We are doing our best here. I am not holding a gun to anyone's head forcing you to buy it. There are plenty of other "Bolt In" options out there... Does anyone in their right mind think I want to have all this time and money out there like this not to produce a unit? SERIOUSLY!????
Now an update, We received our revised design 5th reverse interlock back. It is FINALLY within spec, so we are planning to begin building as soon as we receive them. ONCE AGAIN!!!!!! I AM NOT A FORTUNE TELLER!!!! I was told a month. So, when they are in my hand, We will start building. Sorry for the tangent, but enough is enough already! I understand everyone's frustration, I am quite sure, yours pales in comparison to mine. Also, the list is up to 269 people now. Jamie
keep fighting the good fight...working in the automotive and heavy equipment OEM world since graduating from college almost 17 years ago, I know the tremendous undertaking developing and manufacturing something as complex as a transmission, especially with the expectation of a durable, quality product. it amazes me that you even decided to take the challenge....
out of curiousity to you or anyone else reading, what ever happened to the McCleod tranny that kinda forced your hand on announcing this project? after it was shown at PRI what 2 or 3 years ago, I haven't heard ANYTHING about it?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/09/1309:29 PM
Jamie,
keep up the good work and keep your head high even if the stones are flying. it takes alot of dedication and time and money to get a product off the ground. keep at it, the ones who really want it will wait and then there will be the ones who have to have it after they see it run. plenty of market for a good 5 spd trans, please keep at it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/10/1306:23 AM
One day I'll get one of these in my super bee, just don't know when I'll save up for one. To all the nay-sayers, you gotta realize that this guy is still running his business and working in this transmission inception at the same time. I've called him multiple times and he will talk on the phone until you get the info you need on a 4 speed question. Definitely one of the good guys in the mopar business. Keep up the great work!
Quote: O.K., Some pricing information. After MUCH back and forth, figuring, refiguring and trying to trim where we could without sacrificing quality, we are looking at $4295.00 for a retail price on the unit.
Now, I want to explain a little about this. This cost will cover the transmission, shifter, shifter linkage, mount plate and speedometer cable extension. This is all that is needed. Any other parts if you are switching an auto car, we can provide, but they are not needed, so therefore we didn't include them.
Please keep in mind that this unit is Made in USA. It was designed here, and is being built here by mopar people that are deicated to bringing you the highest quality parts possible. It is without doubt a premium driveline piece. All gears and shafts are made from aircraft quality 9310 alloy steel. Unfortunately, this costs money. Believe me, We are being as fair as we can on this, considering this will bolt in as it is supposed to and you are not going to have to cut your car up.
Quote: O.K., Some pricing information. After MUCH back and forth, figuring, refiguring and trying to trim where we could without sacrificing quality, we are looking at $4295.00 for a retail price on the unit.
Now, I want to explain a little about this. This cost will cover the transmission, shifter, shifter linkage, mount plate and speedometer cable extension. This is all that is needed. Any other parts if you are switching an auto car, we can provide, but they are not needed, so therefore we didn't include them.
Please keep in mind that this unit is Made in USA. It was designed here, and is being built here by mopar people that are deicated to bringing you the highest quality parts possible. It is without doubt a premium driveline piece. All gears and shafts are made from aircraft quality 9310 alloy steel. Unfortunately, this costs money. Believe me, We are being as fair as we can on this, considering this will bolt in as it is supposed to and you are not going to have to cut your car up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/17/1303:03 PM
Kinda strange how you NEVER hear anything more about the Mcleod transmission even on the LS1 and Mustang sites I have always used Mcleod products without any issue so why would they not produce this unit for the masses? It will not be a bolt-in for sure without having to buy lots of extra parts to make it work in a Mopar. They were having it made overseas with sub-standard parts how hard could it be to throw a piece of junk on the market Gus
Updated pricing is $4495.00. Those that ordered the unit at $4295, we will stick to the quoted price. I have a line drawn on the list that separates the $4295 and $4495. The sad reality is that we are not leaving much meat on the bone with the $4295.00 cost. I didn't want to do this, but that is the reality we are facing. We had to raise the price slightly. Jamie
Quote: Updated pricing is $4495.00. Those that ordered the unit at $4295, we will stick to the quoted price. I have a line drawn on the list that separates the $4295 and $4495. The sad reality is that we are not leaving much meat on the bone with the $4295.00 cost. I didn't want to do this, but that is the reality we are facing. We had to raise the price slightly. Jamie
Is that if you were put on the list at the lower price or actually left money as a deposit.....You haven't called me to order, but I am on the list since it was under 100 names.
Quote: 5 speeds are so 2010 can we get a 7 speed that fits perfect for under 2000 G's please ??? I mean come on already.
The new 7-speed Tremec for the new corvette is only rated for 450 ft/lbs, and it does not look like it will fit any Mopar trans tunnel. The spicer is just a bit too big
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/01/1302:26 PM
The list is not published anywhere. There is personal information on it. I have the utmost respect for personal information that belongs to our customers. If you pm me your full name, I will check it for you. Thanks, Jamie
I've left Jamie a PM asking what number on the list is the cut off for the pricing change, but he hasn't responded. I've been on the list since under 50 names and since we're closing in on shipping sometime this year, that info would be of value.
Quote:
Quote: Updated pricing is $4495.00. Those that ordered the unit at $4295, we will stick to the quoted price. I have a line drawn on the list that separates the $4295 and $4495. The sad reality is that we are not leaving much meat on the bone with the $4295.00 cost. I didn't want to do this, but that is the reality we are facing. We had to raise the price slightly. Jamie
Is that if you were put on the list at the lower price or actually left money as a deposit.....You haven't called me to order, but I am on the list since it was under 100 names.
OK. Let me try to explain this... If you put your name on our waiting list, you were told cost of the unit at that point. If you were told $4295.00. That is it. If you were told $4495.00 that is it. I know who was told what, so hopefully no issues develop with people that are trying to shave $200 off dishonestly. PLEASE do not barrage me with tons of PM's about "what number is the cutoff on the list" The fact of the matter is that in certain instances, people might be paying $4295.00 and be "later on the list" than you may be. Instances include buying multiple units, a large amount of additional parts, etc. This decision was made on my discretion. Hopefully people understand that. Jamie
Jamie, April 9th you wrote- Now an update, We received our revised design 5th reverse interlock back. It is FINALLY within spec, so we are planning to begin building as soon as we receive them. ONCE AGAIN!!!!!! I AM NOT A FORTUNE TELLER!!!! I was told a month. So, when they are in my hand, We will start building. Sorry for the tangent, but enough is enough already! I understand everyone's frustration, I am quite sure, yours pales in comparison to mine. Also, the list is up to 269 people now.
Can you update us if you received these parts and when production will begin? I'm not beating you up as I'm not even on the list yet,just curious.
Interlock stuff is scheduled to go to heat treat end of next week. I am buttoning up loose ends on shifter linkage. We had a problem develop with the shop that was making them for us. I am in process of remedying this currently. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/04/1307:31 PM
Well stated; the Walmart mindset. They will brag that they saved $20 dollars off retail but the stuff is junk in a year. The same Bozo expecting to sell above Walmart prices via craigslist.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/18/1310:07 PM
I talk to Jamie at the show and he said that they are stating to assemble them this week. He has over 300 orders to do first. I am sure the list will get bigger knowing the trany is a go. I am sure he can only assemble a few a day. With that being said, it is going to be awhile be fore he releases it to the public. Plus the rest of the work he has. He said he was swapped with work. So everybody needs to be patient. They are coming.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/14/1302:41 AM
Talked to the Passon crew at the Nats and they had one car in the show field with one. They are building units and if you are not on he list get on the list a it's the only way to get one.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/15/1304:49 AM
RealWing,
I asked one of Passion's guys if a moparts member actually had one in their car yet and he said yes. So I asked him if he was absolutely sure someone did and he guaranteed me that people did. He even got a bit miffed that I questioned him. Seems the truth is elusive or 1-3 might have their tranny in already. NOT! I hate BS.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/15/1311:12 AM
Quote: RealWing,
I asked one of Passion's guys if a moparts member actually had one in their car yet and he said yes. So I asked him if he was absolutely sure someone did and he guaranteed me that people did.
Jamie has mentioned that there are a few in cars for testing.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/15/1301:59 PM
Yeah I knew there were people testing the box. I did not tell the rest of the story though. He said that moparts people on the list had the tranny AND that production was occurring. I did not ask him how long production had been occurring. That is why I really questioned him and he got a bit miffed that I was questioning him. So whoever is 1 on the list should have a tranny and production should be going. Just not seeing that this is a fact. Hard to believe that #4 does not have their box if they guy has his facts straight. Must be bench racing. lol
I'm in the process of choosing a trans and this one has some real promise for my needs. Time frame looks to be a concern for me though.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1305:05 AM
Quote: RealWing,
I asked one of Passion's guys if a moparts member actually had one in their car yet and he said yes. So I asked him if he was absolutely sure someone did and he guaranteed me that people did. He even got a bit miffed that I questioned him. Seems the truth is elusive or 1-3 might have their tranny in already. NOT! I hate BS.
Damon
I know that I am going to regret this but here goes... We have officially started production. There are several production units built. One has been shipped and it is in the car and functioning properly. '67 GTX. Yes, there was ZERO modification needed to put it in the car. Fact of the matter is that there is an AIRPORT around the trans. We are waiting on shifter rods. I managed to pull that set together for that car because the car was set to be in a photo shoot at the Mopar Nationals. I had to move heaven and earth accomplish this. This included HAND MAKING the shifter rods. So, as soon as I have rods, we will begin to ship. I expect this very soon. PLEASE understand that we are going to be building well into next year to get caught up. ALSO, let me be crystal clear. We need to keep the 4 speed shop going to pay for this project. So, we will build as quickly as possible. There is no set "build rate" per day.
Also, let me set the record straight. The gentleman that has the unit IS A MOPARTS member. So, my staff person wasn't BS'ing. I probably would have gotten a bit miffed too. You are basically calling the person a liar. Tends not to go over so well... I am not going to brow beat my customer into coming on here and giving a full report. If and when he is ready to do that, I'm sure he will. I do not feel right expecting customers to do this.
We are finally there. I appreciate everyone's patience so far and will continue to request it as we move forward with the project. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1303:29 PM
Congratulations!! I'll bet you will be glad to see the backside of this project.
It never ceases to amaze me the people that think your business and your customers business is somehow their business .
I'm sure they would be if you were to broadcast your dealings with one of them on an open forum, should they actually have the wherewithal to buy anything you have for sale.
I'm glad to see that the light at the end of the tunnel was not a train.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1303:33 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, Jamie.You are a stand up guy and I'm sure things are proceeding at the best pace possible. I've bought parts from you and your knowledge is second to none. I am not "on the list" so I don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak, but I can tell you this. I have a friend who has the other currently available tranny offered out there right now. I he is not happy with it. It has been in the shop more than he is driven it. It still will not shift well and he is afraid to stand on it because it might break again. After spending on $7500 on that pig, he is about ready to put a stock one back in his charger.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1306:49 PM
I am sorry to hear that your buddy is having trouble. I am confused though... I could have sworn I saw those complete transmission packages advertised for like $3800.00? I'm wondering why there is a HUGE difference! Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1306:56 PM
Quote: I am sorry to hear that your buddy is having trouble. I am confused though... I could have sworn I saw those complete transmission packages advertised for like $3800.00? I guess the devil might be in the details. Thanks, Jamie
I'd make the assumption it was $3800 for the trans and roughly $3700 for the installation, maintenance, and repairs.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1307:00 PM
See the attached pictures. In light of the "fitment trouble" a few people have had with the newest offering from another company (which have been chronicled on this board) pay close attention to the amount of room in the crossmember area on our unit. Pictures tell the best story. This is a stock '67 GTX. I can remember the other unit needing the entire top of the tailhousing having to be milled off OR cutting the crossmember away to fit it. To me, that is not a "Bolt in" This is. Note STOCK crossmember, STOCK transmission mount. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/16/1311:16 PM
Hello Jamie,
I am seriously considering your tranny and am very happy to hear that you are getting underway. Your comment about "I probably would have gotten a bit miffed too. You are basically calling the person a liar." is not very accurate though. When I was talking with him I never said that he was not telling the truth or was incorrect in any way. This need to be perfectly clear. I think it is totally appropiate for a person to ask if someone is sure about something.
Twostick, As for the the idea that it is not my business to know when a manufacture of a product, I have been considering for years, is up and running in production is totally foolish.
Hats off to you Jamie. I have never accomplished what you have and only somewhat know how hard of a process it is to design and manufacture such a complex and much needed part. Thank you!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/17/1302:48 AM
Quote: I am sorry to hear that your buddy is having trouble. I am confused though... I could have sworn I saw those complete transmission packages advertised for like $3800.00? I'm wondering why there is a HUGE difference! Thanks, Jamie
Well the long version is this. I installed it for free, so no cost there. I did have to shed a tear or two as I cut up the hole in the tunnel for this tranny. I had just welded in a new hump several months before. He has had this car since it was six months old and it was an original stick. He can shift pretty good for an old guy.LOL. The car would not shift at high rpm. He has a 528 hemi from Aruzza. He pulled it out and sent it to someone in Fl(I think) to make it shift better. They specialize in that particular tranny. Not sure what they did but it did cost 1500 or so.He got it back and it did shift better but not that great. I can shift with the best of them and I can't stand it. It feels like driving my Diesel truck. Anyway, tooling down the road one day and showing his son-in-law what a hemi can do to the back tires and he shifting hard into 3rd and the thing came apart on him. He had it taken out and sent back to Fl and the shop said that he had received the wrong front drive shaft yoke in the kit and it did not slip on the output shaft good enough and when he hammered it it acted like a solid shaft and it tried to drive all the gears out the front of the case. It tore up gears and the case. I did not R and R the thing the other two times, so he paid for that. He probably has more money than I stated in the turd. He has not shifted hard since.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/17/1303:26 AM
Quote: Not sure what they did but it did cost 1500 or so.He got it back and it did shift better but not that great. I can shift with the best of them and I can't stand it. It feels like driving my Diesel truck.
My experience driving the Brand X trans was the same, notchy feel and impossible to speed shift like you can with an 833. I hated it! I'm in line for a Passon, patiently waiting because I KNOW it will be worth the wait!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/17/1307:38 PM
Quote: RealWing,
I asked one of Passion's guys if a moparts member actually had one in their car yet and he said yes. So I asked him if he was absolutely sure someone did and he guaranteed me that people did. He even got a bit miffed that I questioned him. Seems the truth is elusive or 1-3 might have their tranny in already. NOT! I hate BS.
Damon
I dislike posts like yours... and your attitude...do you think for one minute that Jamie Passon would produce anything but a 110% product??? Well????
I would not sell you a transmission...
Sorry Jamie, I can't sit here and put up with this.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/19/1312:18 AM
Just to clarify, someone said to make sure that someone that wants one is on the list. I'm going to guess that once the list is satisfied, production won't stop and someone who started saving, Idk, like today, for one can purchase one later?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/19/1301:25 AM
Quote: Just to clarify, someone said to make sure that someone that wants one is on the list. I'm going to guess that once the list is satisfied, production won't stop and someone who started saving, Idk, like today, for one can purchase one later?
That would make sense.....why produce something only for the people on the list today? Once this unit is out in the real world and working I am sure there will be many more people wanting to buy one.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/19/1305:39 AM
Hey Tom,
"do you think for one minute that Jamie Passon would produce anything but a 110% product??? Well???? "
NO! I never said anything like that. Please do not make up stuff. Just don't go there Tom. I think Jamie is making a stellar trans. That is why I am so seriously considering his product.
Why in the world would I be talking to them and trying to find all the information I can if I didn't trust his trans. Just doesn't make any sense.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/23/1309:39 PM
Quote: Just to clarify, someone said to make sure that someone that wants one is on the list. I'm going to guess that once the list is satisfied, production won't stop and someone who started saving, Idk, like today, for one can purchase one later?
I'm not on the list, but I wish I was. How does one "GET" on the list again? Front a thousand bucks?
I'm gonna start saving today as well. Little by little. I do want one, and eventually will buy one if they are available.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/24/1312:52 AM
Quote:
Quote: Just to clarify, someone said to make sure that someone that wants one is on the list. I'm going to guess that once the list is satisfied, production won't stop and someone who started saving, Idk, like today, for one can purchase one later?
I'm not on the list, but I wish I was. How does one "GET" on the list again? Front a thousand bucks?
I'm gonna start saving today as well. Little by little. I do want one, and eventually will buy one if they are available.
Just call Jamie and say you want to be on the list...no money down! You will be contacted when a deposit is required.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/26/1307:30 PM
With all due respect to everyone. We are only asking for people that are SERIOUS to be added to the list. We are basing our production configurations on the orders we have on this list. We are not requiring money down at this time. Therefore, we need it to be as accurate as possible. So, I'm certainly not turning people away, but you guys gotta understand that we can't have a bunch of people that are hoping to "someday" get one. This is not a slap to anyone or anything like that. We just have to be as lean as possible here to make this a success. Thaks Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/28/1303:44 PM
Has anyone who is on the list or ordered one of these have it yet? I'm not talking about someone who was given one to test, rather someone who just placed and it showed up at their door.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/28/1306:05 PM
Quote: See the attached pictures. In light of the "fitment trouble" a few people have had with the newest offering from another company (which have been chronicled on this board) pay close attention to the amount of room in the crossmember area on our unit. Pictures tell the best story. This is a stock '67 GTX. I can remember the other unit needing the entire top of the tailhousing having to be milled off OR cutting the crossmember away to fit it. To me, that is not a "Bolt in" This is. Note STOCK crossmember, STOCK transmission mount. Jamie
That is a great pic to see. I made the mistake of purchasing the TKO kit from the other people and had to cut up my torsion bar cross-member to get it to fit..... what a joke. That tranny is gone and the cross-member has been replaced and is patiently waiting for your unit. Great job on this product
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/30/1301:04 AM
Quote: With all due respect to everyone. We are only asking for people that are SERIOUS to be added to the list. We are basing our production configurations on the orders we have on this list. We are not requiring money down at this time. Therefore, we need it to be as accurate as possible. So, I'm certainly not turning people away, but you guys gotta understand that we can't have a bunch of people that are hoping to "someday" get one. This is not a slap to anyone or anything like that. We just have to be as lean as possible here to make this a success. Thaks Jamie
Keep me "ON the list" please!!!
Saw this setup at the Nats and introduced myself to Jamie. I can't wait for this to come out.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/15/1309:48 PM
Please add me to the list. I have a 72 Roadrunner clone that I will be happy to have overdrive in. I did not cut the floor intentionally awaiting this.
Just ask for payment when needed. I am not too far (DC) to come pick up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/29/1301:01 AM
I was a skeptic, looking for something cheap but after following this post for so long I realized that this guy is really really trying and I don't expect anything less than perfect from my fellow Mopar brother. I got on the list and was told maybe June before I could get my hands on one. Cruizing down the highway doing 75 with 391 gears and only turning 2400 RPM,s. Long trips with the Charger will be enjoyable now. Cant wait! Thanks Jamie!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/06/1306:19 PM
Scott, Box and a crate coming your way. Stayed up LATE last night to get them packaged last night on the way to you. Your speedo cable will be coming separately. That should ship Friday. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/07/1303:41 PM
I wish we knew what number on the list is being shipped out. Oh well just glad they are shipping, can't wait! Way to go Jamie!!!!!
That would be a help for those of us who would like a warning to get the finances in order. I don't mean every time, just once in a while to say..we just shipped number 50 or something like that.
Double COOL, ...the line is moving twice as fast as I thought!
I'm # 43 if I remember correctly. I wonder how quickly they will ship? Will it be a month or 6 months or a year till they get built and shipped. How soon till I get the call?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/1301:32 AM
Just checked mapquest and I think I will drive to Jamie when it's my turn also....only 160 miles!!!!Leave in the morning and be home the same day....
Wish I lived that close! Maybe better that I don't or else I'd be on the list too. Gotta do some parts flipping before I can afford that. Good people all around there.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/14/1302:30 AM
For those of you who doubted that Passon would bring this thing of beauty to market, all I have to say to that is that "All Good Things Come To Those Who Wait".
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/14/1307:45 PM
I cant recall the numbers but I used an adjustable dowel kit to get it set up just right, it was within factory tolerances before doing anything but with this new trans I wasn't taking any chances.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/14/1309:54 PM
Hey Jamie, I'm just curious. Is this going to be a limited run sort of deal where you're going to get everyone who's on the wait list their transmission, or are you going to be doing this long term?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/15/1312:40 AM
Micm, My car is still on the rotisserie and winter is here. Probably no road tests until next summer but Ill be on it all winter getting ready. I might just put it in my other Duster to try it out sooner as I am just as eager as you are to play with it
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/15/1305:26 AM
Quote: Cough , cough , ahem - i can have mine swapped in In less than an hour for a roadtest ....i aint afraid of no Road salt ....
that's right!
don't even unpack that puppy! box it back up, send it down here, i'll have it installed in an afternoon, hammered on for a few hours, pull it back out and on it's way back up to you within a week.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/15/1305:28 AM
Quote: that's right!
don't even unpack that puppy! box it back up, send it down here, i'll have it installed in an afternoon, hammered on for a few hours, pull it back out and on it's way back up to you within a week.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/15/1305:45 PM
Quote:
Quote: that's right!
don't even unpack that puppy! box it back up, send it down here, i'll have it installed in an afternoon, hammered on for a few hours, pull it back out and on it's way back up to you within a week.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/16/1302:27 AM
Quote: Micm, My car is still on the rotisserie and winter is here. Probably no road tests until next summer but Ill be on it all winter getting ready. I might just put it in my other Duster to try it out sooner as I am just as eager as you are to play with it
Scott, the Outlaw DennisH says after seeing you ride his clutch all the way up Mulholland drive, he's taking bets on how long your throwout bearing and clutch are going to last. He says he gives it a month or two tops!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/16/1305:17 AM
Quote: Scott, the Outlaw DennisH says after seeing you ride his clutch all the way up Mulholland drive, he's taking bets on how long your throwout bearing and clutch are going to last. He says he gives it a month or two tops!
Funny? He never mentioned anything of the sort to me? That was a fun drive though, great car!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/16/1307:22 AM
Quote:
Quote: Scott, the Outlaw DennisH says after seeing you ride his clutch all the way up Mulholland drive, he's taking bets on how long your throwout bearing and clutch are going to last. He says he gives it a month or two tops!
Funny? He never mentioned anything of the sort to me? That was a fun drive though, great car!
I'm only messing with you, Scott. He never said that, and is still very proud that you drove his car that day. He says congrats on the new transmission. Spring Fling IS a great weekend!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/18/1304:36 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: Scott, the Outlaw DennisH says after seeing you ride his clutch all the way up Mulholland drive, he's taking bets on how long your throwout bearing and clutch are going to last. He says he gives it a month or two tops!
Funny? He never mentioned anything of the sort to me? That was a fun drive though, great car!
I'm only messing with you, Scott. He never said that, and is still very proud that you drove his car that day. He says congrats on the new transmission. Spring Fling IS a great weekend!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1312:57 AM
i know that a lot of people bash MCG and may not subscribe --- But there a nice article with a 67 GTX with a Jamie Passon 5 speed installed with a ton of miles on it already ...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1303:03 AM
Quote: i know that a lot of people bash MCG and may not subscribe --- But there a nice article with a 67 GTX with a Jamie Passon 5 speed installed with a ton of miles on it already ...
Just read that today also......
I called Jamie the other day and told him that I was about number 180 on the list and he responded that it should be less than 6 months.....I hope he is right!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1306:46 AM
Quote:
Quote: i know that a lot of people bash MCG and may not subscribe --- But there a nice article with a 67 GTX with a Jamie Passon 5 speed installed with a ton of miles on it already ...
Just read that today also......
I called Jamie the other day and told him that I was about number 180 on the list and he responded that it should be less than 6 months.....I hope he is right!!
I take it, that's one of the test mules Jammie showed how well the trans fit a few pages back?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/28/1304:35 AM
I haven't installed the shifter yet simply because it won't go into the car as an assembly (some linkage needs to pass around the cross member after the trans is in the car), I'll post some pics of it as it arrived though.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/30/1303:00 AM
I went ahead and installed it just to check everything. Fits like a glove, precision fit parts WAY better than stock. Hercules couldn't break this stuff!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/31/1305:50 AM
Quote:
Quote: Micm, My car is still on the rotisserie and winter is here. Probably no road tests until next summer but Ill be on it all winter getting ready. I might just put it in my other Duster to try it out sooner as I am just as eager as you are to play with it
Scott, the Outlaw DennisH says after seeing you ride his clutch all the way up Mulholland drive, he's taking bets on how long your throwout bearing and clutch are going to last. He says he gives it a month or two tops!
He looks right at home. Probably more use to the back seat.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/21/1408:06 AM
It would be interesting to read feed back from people who have purchased one and thrashed it on the street and track already but I am sure that will happen.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/21/1411:08 AM
Quote: It would be interesting to read feed back from people who have purchased one and thrashed it on the street and track already but I am sure that will happen.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/22/1407:29 PM
Their website says maintains a constant 700 ft lbs of torque. I'm #181 and patiently waiting but Jamie tells me they probably won't have the speedometer adapter for the early A-body done by the time they get to my number...bummer:-)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1402:38 AM
Quote: Their website says maintains a constant 700 ft lbs of torque. I'm #181 and patiently waiting but Jamie tells me they probably won't have the speedometer adapter for the early A-body done by the time they get to my number...bummer:-)
Did you happen to find out what number they were up to?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1407:50 AM
Quote:
Quote: Their website says maintains a constant 700 ft lbs of torque. I'm #181 and patiently waiting but Jamie tells me they probably won't have the speedometer adapter for the early A-body done by the time they get to my number...bummer:-)
Did you happen to find out what number they were up to?
No, he just told me on the phone that production was underway. He was very busy so I didn't want to take up a lot of his time in discussion (prefer he be building transmissions:-)) it would be a nice thing to know though.......
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1409:15 PM
i shouldn't be quoted as this is second hand, but apparently he told a friend who is interested that if you aren't on the list, it's about a year lead time.
the transmissions all have to be assembled by hand, and are done so meticulously, yet this is not the mainstay of the business. all the usual 4 speed stuff has to happen to keep the shop and his livelihood going: the 5 speeds are on top of all this.
so, keep the faith! (dumb statement, never really liked it, but it popped into my head for some reason!)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1410:12 PM
There are certain risks in ordering and paying for an unknown new product, just as there are certain rewards if the product proves to be as advertised. Conversely, if you wait for the other early order "guinea pigs" to install and test them in hopes of learning more in regards to them being as advertised or not you pay the price for acting late enough that you can be penalized by waiting longer and paying more than those who jumped in first. My advice? Send a deposit NOW and take your place in line
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/24/1411:45 PM
Scott, A few questions, I am on the list but Jamie told me I did not have to put down a deposit. Do you think it is best to put down a deposit? The others are, what is the sift pattern on the 5 sp? Where is reverse in this pattern?
Thanks
Quote: There are certain risks in ordering and paying for an unknown new product, just as there are certain rewards if the product proves to be as advertised. Conversely, if you wait for the other early order "guinea pigs" to install and test them in hopes of learning more in regards to them being as advertised or not you pay the price for acting late enough that you can be penalized by waiting longer and paying more than those who jumped in first. My advice? Send a deposit NOW and take your place in line
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/25/1412:46 AM
Quote: There are certain risks in ordering and paying for an unknown new product, just as there are certain rewards if the product proves to be as advertised. Conversely, if you wait for the other early order "guinea pigs" to install and test them in hopes of learning more in regards to them being as advertised or not you pay the price for acting late enough that you can be penalized by waiting longer and paying more than those who jumped in first. My advice? Send a deposit NOW and take your place in line
When I spoke with Jamie about this a while back I was told he would contact people on the list when it was time for the deposit to be sent.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/25/1401:02 AM
Yeap, that what I was told me as well. I was just wondering if it would help to make a deposit.
Maybe he could hire a few more people to help put them together faster, as I can't wait to get mine.
I put off my new motor and rearend for over a year waiting for it. Then last year I bit the bullet and installed them. 4:10 gears are fun, but a speed would nmake the overall driving exsperance even bette.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/26/1405:32 PM
I have been eyeing this thread for the past six months - I can't take it any longer! I want to get on "the list" and take my place at the back of the line.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/26/1410:01 PM
Quote: I have been eyeing this thread for the past six months - I can't take it any longer! I want to get on "the list" and take my place at the back of the line.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/29/1403:50 AM
I'm in 18th spot and am still patiently waiting for this jewel. Not in a rush, as I know Jamie is doing it right. I also run 3.54's and a 29 inch tall tires, but still, dropping almost 800rpm in 4th at 70 mph would bump my mileage significantly...not to mention calming the entire driveline down. I'm currently spinning 3000 rpm at 70 mph.
I don't get how you guys run 4.10's or lower on the street with massive torque and the inherent traction issues. Even with gooey drag radials I always spin 1st & almost always halfway through second, and I'm hitting 70+mph at the end of second.
Squatting in 3rd after a downshift from 4th at 70 mph with a bit of tire smoke......3rd lasts about 2.5 seconds or less up to 105 mph from this speed. Gotta love stroked big blocks and twin disc McLeod's.
I'm worried the car would fly with a 5th gear though.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/29/1406:29 AM
Quote: I'm in 18th spot and am still patiently waiting for this jewel. Not in a rush, as I know Jamie is doing it right. I also run 3.54's and a 29 inch tall tires, but still, dropping almost 800rpm in 4th at 70 mph would bump my mileage significantly...not to mention calming the entire driveline down. I'm currently spinning 3000 rpm at 70 mph.
I don't get how you guys run 4.10's or lower on the street with massive torque and the inherent traction issues. Even with gooey drag radials I always spin 1st & almost always halfway through second, and I'm hitting 70+mph at the end of second.
Squatting in 3rd after a downshift from 4th at 70 mph with a bit of tire smoke......3rd lasts about 2.5 seconds or less up to 105 mph from this speed. Gotta love stroked big blocks and twin disc McLeod's.
I'm worried the car would fly with a 5th gear though.
Yes, 4:10 gears, a 4 sp, and 550 ft lbs of torque makes for an interesting street machine. First gear is basically useless at anything more then quarter throttle. You barley let the clutch out and you need to push it in for second gear. Second gear sends the car sideways with the tires searching for traction. Next is third, if you feather the throttle you can get traction, but if you full throttle it, traction is still a long way off. I am not saying the a 5 sp will make the traction issue go away, but it will help with the overall drivability. It is not fun cursing to a show or dinner and being only able to drive 55 mph at 3300 rpms.
I too am on the list, wasnt told my number, but I will wait for the day when Jamie builds mine and when it gets installed.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/29/1406:41 AM
Awesome car! Jamie's 5spd will be right at home in that beast.Keep us informed on your notice that it's ready and installation please.
Quote: I'm in 18th spot and am still patiently waiting for this jewel. Not in a rush, as I know Jamie is doing it right. I also run 3.54's and a 29 inch tall tires, but still, dropping almost 800rpm in 4th at 70 mph would bump my mileage significantly...not to mention calming the entire driveline down. I'm currently spinning 3000 rpm at 70 mph.
I don't get how you guys run 4.10's or lower on the street with massive torque and the inherent traction issues. Even with gooey drag radials I always spin 1st & almost always halfway through second, and I'm hitting 70+mph at the end of second.
Squatting in 3rd after a downshift from 4th at 70 mph with a bit of tire smoke......3rd lasts about 2.5 seconds or less up to 105 mph from this speed. Gotta love stroked big blocks and twin disc McLeod's.
I'm worried the car would fly with a 5th gear though.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/29/1404:51 PM
I'm glad I got on the list early. My 5-sp arrived two days ago and it looks great. Only problem I have now is I need another one for a customer who saw it and would like another one for my b-body.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/29/1410:25 PM
Sweet! What number were you on the list?
Quote: I'm glad I got on the list early. My 5-sp arrived two days ago and it looks great. Only problem I have now is I need another one for a customer who saw it and would like another one for my b-body.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/29/1410:38 PM
I was one of the first 10. Can't tell you the exact number. I can tell you though I've talked to Jamie several times in the past week and the guy is working every possible hour to get these together. I'm like a little kid at Christmas this week lol.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/30/1404:02 AM
Quote: Awesome car! Jamie's 5spd will be right at home in that beast.Keep us informed on your notice that it's ready and installation please.
Quote: I'm in 18th spot and am still patiently waiting for this jewel. Not in a rush, as I know Jamie is doing it right. I also run 3.54's and a 29 inch tall tires, but still, dropping almost 800rpm in 4th at 70 mph would bump my mileage significantly...not to mention calming the entire driveline down. I'm currently spinning 3000 rpm at 70 mph.
I don't get how you guys run 4.10's or lower on the street with massive torque and the inherent traction issues. Even with gooey drag radials I always spin 1st & almost always halfway through second, and I'm hitting 70+mph at the end of second.
Squatting in 3rd after a downshift from 4th at 70 mph with a bit of tire smoke......3rd lasts about 2.5 seconds or less up to 105 mph from this speed. Gotta love stroked big blocks and twin disc McLeod's.
I'm worried the car would fly with a 5th gear though.
The scary part is it already put's the speedometer needle on the "H" in "MPH" on the speedometer in 4th. For those of you who know....that's kinda moving in these cars.
There were a few seconds some time ago while running against a Ferrari 599 GTO I would have hit 5th and left it on the floor for a few more seconds, but there was a curve in the road ahead AND I didn't have a 5th gear yet.
That story vanished from this site for some mysterious reason.... probably for my own benefit.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1403:41 PM
Quote: Add a gear vendor to it and have all the speeds you want
I'd love to see these transmissions tested with a Gear Vendors behind it - sure, it would be a ton of money. But, it would be fun hear about the performance.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1410:22 PM
Quote:
Quote: Add a gear vendor to it and have all the speeds you want
I'd love to see these transmissions tested with a Gear Vendors behind it - sure, it would be a ton of money. But, it would be fun hear about the performance.
super bird or daytona, good beefy suspension parts, big inch high horsepower hemi, passon 5 spd with a gear vendors that would be one fast car!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1411:34 PM
Yea, regardless of what car, if you plan on more than 5 gears you better have some big HP, a high end suspension, good aero package, and some big brass ones to test the upper limits.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/05/1402:50 AM
Quote: Yea, regardless of what car, if you plan on more than 5 gears you better have some big HP, a high end suspension, good aero package, and some big brass ones to test the upper limits.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/05/1407:43 AM
Quote:
Quote: Yea, regardless of what car, if you plan on more than 5 gears you better have some big HP, a high end suspension, good aero package, and some big brass ones to test the upper limits.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/06/1404:41 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: Add a gear vendor to it and have all the speeds you want
I'd love to see these transmissions tested with a Gear Vendors behind it - sure, it would be a ton of money. But, it would be fun hear about the performance.
super bird or daytona, good beefy suspension parts, big inch high horsepower hemi, passon 5 spd with a gear vendors that would be one fast car!
Sorry but you can't add a gear vendors unit to this transmission. The Gear Vendors unit uses a custom tailshaft. Since the Passon Performance places the five speed in the tail housing, the Gear Vendors custom tail shaft simply won't fit.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/06/1409:01 PM
Quote:
Quote:
super bird or daytona, good beefy suspension parts, big inch high horsepower hemi, passon 5 spd with a gear vendors that would be one fast car!
Sorry but you can't add a gear vendors unit to this transmission. The Gear Vendors unit uses a custom tailshaft. Since the Passon Performance places the five speed in the tail housing, the Gear Vendors custom tail shaft simply won't fit.
Regards,
Joe Dokes
ah well, nice dream anyway!
i'd still love to do all of the above, just minus the obvious piece that won't work. would still be a very cool, very fast car!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/07/1401:43 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
super bird or daytona, good beefy suspension parts, big inch high horsepower hemi, passon 5 spd with a gear vendors that would be one fast car!
Sorry but you can't add a gear vendors unit to this transmission. The Gear Vendors unit uses a custom tailshaft. Since the Passon Performance places the five speed in the tail housing, the Gear Vendors custom tail shaft simply won't fit.
Regards,
Joe Dokes
ah well, nice dream anyway!
i'd still love to do all of the above, just minus the obvious piece that won't work. would still be a very cool, very fast car!
Put it in a pickup and use the divorced Gearvendor. No such thing as "can't"
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/07/1410:06 PM
Years ago my uncles took an old International truck and an old Dodge truck and made a haystack mover. It had a four speed behind a four speed. Lotsa gears! In granny/granny you could barely observe movement!!
Back on track.....has anyone got an update on the A855??
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/11/1409:25 PM
People you will find the Passon A855 all you ever need. Hypothesizing is great but I was one of the first to receive this unit (first in Canada) and it lived up to my expectations. Shifts so smooth, no noises, no vibrations, fastest shifting, no clunks, no grinds. One of the nicest boxes ever and I am comparing this with all the modern stuff. Closest thing for shift smoothness is VW, Audi, BMW. Install was a breeze, it just "fell" into the car it was so easy. The body will quit at speed long before the 0.7 OD gear runs out! And the beauty is you pay Jaimie for it and thats it (if you have the 18 spline setup/ 23 spline needs clutch disc and TO hemi bearing) no more expenses period. I did not include oil here which has to be Synthetic. But we need oil for any gearbox right! I only had a day between snowfalls to evaluate so eagerly awaiting the spring.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/20/1401:40 PM
Does anyone know the number of the last unit shipped? I'm just trying to figure out how soon I'll be getting a call from Jamie. Springs right around the corner and I'm planning on finally being able to go to the car shows that are 1 to 2 hours away on the freeway
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/20/1411:41 PM
I do not know for sure, but from what "little" I know from this forum (unless I'm missed some) this is what I've noticed. I would assume that there are others that are not on this forum.
Correct order or dates may be off, just the best (unoffical) I've been able too put together.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/21/1403:58 AM
Ok great good to know where I stand. This will bring my car to a whole new level no more driving the back highways. Its going to be so great cruising the interstate.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/22/1407:10 PM
Quote: I do not know for sure, but from what "little" I know from this forum (unless I'm missed some) this is what I've noticed. I would assume that there are others that are not on this forum.
Correct order or dates may be off, just the best (unoffical) I've been able too put together.
Have no clue what number i am just one month away .. Glad to see hes pumpin em out - cant expect all orders Are moparts people ...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/23/1401:12 AM
It seems like he is picking up production. I can wait to get mine. We all have waited so long for someone to come out with a 5 speed for mopars. Thanks again to Jamie for stepping up. I just like to see how many have gone out so I can estimate when I will be getting that phone call. This makes 4:10 gears and 28" tires perfect for interstate driving. Sure I could run 3:54 or 3:23 but why make the car slower when there's no need with a 5 speed now
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/23/1406:36 AM
Last time Jaimie and I talked he wanted to get about 20 a week out but that was last Oct so that would have taken care of most of the backlog by now. Don't know what is up but he will respond to one or two phone calls. Last issue he had was shifter rods supply but he got that cured a long time ago.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/17/1410:50 PM
I believe the last reported receipt of one of these things is November of 2013 or thereabouts. Has anybody else received one? Are they actually being produced? Please update us.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1401:21 AM
I received mine in early February. Also, consider that not all orders were from Moparts members so you may not hear of another one shipped since then. I'm sure some have though since mine.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1403:13 AM
Quote: I received mine in early February. Also, consider that not all orders were from Moparts members so you may not hear of another one shipped since then. I'm sure some have though since mine.
Can you please post your experience and thoughts on this product please?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1404:50 AM
Quote: I received mine in early February. Also, consider that not all orders were from Moparts members so you may not hear of another one shipped since then. I'm sure some have though since mine.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1405:54 AM
I'll be installing it shortly. If it performs as good as it looks I'll be happy with it. I promise to give a report on it when it's up and going. As for my number, I was somewhere in the first 10. I would recommend getting on the wait list if you want one. The beauty is it's a simple swap so a car could be driven with a 4-speed until it arrives and then quickly/easily swapped. My buddy is doing exactly that on his build.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/20/1401:03 PM
I called Jamie yesterday. He sounded like he's been in fight club for the last few months. He is still fighting! I'm 18 on the list and instead of asking him when, when , when? I have nothing but respect for what he is doing and am proud that someone in America is quietly fighting the unimaginable challenges he must be going through to produce these transmissions.
Look at what Shafey did to Keisler. More accurately, look what he did to a lot of Moparts members and even more who are not! He is pathetic. He over promised and under delivered.
Jamie rocks! When I get the call, I'll be ready, and so will my 5 speed. Until then, I will let the man work in peace.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/20/1401:38 PM
Dude,
Glad to hear you aren't bothering Jamie anymore, than you already have.
As for the Keisler bashing, what's up with that? I bought one early, and like it. Wouldn't have put it in a car I was afraid to modify, mine's behind a Hemi.
Maybe the Passon thread should stay Passon, and not become a bash fest, until we are bashing Passon. And yes I am on the list, waiting patiently, evidenced by my NOT calling Jamie.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/20/1401:56 PM
Quote: Until then, I will let the man work in peace.
Heed the above advice
I "manage" a warehouse that requires me to work alongside the shipper/packers. We are understaffed ( different story here) but every time I get a call that means LESS product goes out the door.. Yesterday I was on the phone for over 2 hours dealing with incompetency to the max. Not only was I taken away from getting any physical work done, mentally I was ready to just leave and go drink some tequila..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/20/1403:42 PM
Quote:
Quote: Until then, I will let the man work in peace.
Heed the above advice
I "manage" a warehouse that requires me to work alongside the shipper/packers. We are understaffed ( different story here) but every time I get a call that means LESS product goes out the door.. Yesterday I was on the phone for over 2 hours dealing with incompetency to the max. Not only was I taken away from getting any physical work done, mentally I was ready to just leave and go drink some tequila..
Leave Jaimie alone and let him work peacefully..
May leave out "until then" so he can get some work done for his other customers. He'll be way more satisfied if he can get some work done than by having people interrupt him to tell him how great he is.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/21/1404:16 PM
On a general note. I have been in a fight club for 3 years now. It is taking its toll. I appreciate that people are advocating giving me a little breathing room. The fact remains that if I'm on the phone I'm not working. We still need to keep the 4 speed shop running to to pay for this right now. Which we are BURIED right now. So, I don't mind if people check in, just don't stand on my neck. A lot of people have been and it is getting old. Thanks, Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/21/1408:00 PM
Heck I'm so far down on the list (440ish) I'm just hoping not to get forgotten Can't wait to hear others evaluation when they get theirs. Looking forward to pulling the Kiesler.
Jamie called today and left a message... wonder what he wants? I called back and left a message, he was probably in the shop working.
Jamie - I joined the waiting list December 2010. We go to paint on this car as early as next week. September 2013 I was trying to get a firm grasp of a date because the car was finally in the shop and we needed to finish the fabrication work. Since I could not get a firm commitment at the time I was forced to make a decision. Unfortunately I could not continue to wait. After waiting three years, the answer always seemed to be that we were only a few months away. I understand all that went in to this on your side and do not harbor any ill will towards you and hope to do business with you in the future. I hope you feel the same way.
I can not say that I regret the decision, because I really like the way the car is turning out. I do regret that I can not continue on the list, please give my slot to the next guy in line. I could swing the transmission and keep it for the next project but that is not a good idea and is also not fair to all the others waiting.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/22/1408:00 AM
Quote: Jamie called today and left a message... wonder what he wants? I called back and left a message, he was probably in the shop working.
Jamie - I joined the waiting list December 2010. We go to paint on this car as early as next week. September 2013 I was trying to get a firm grasp of a date because the car was finally in the shop and we needed to finish the fabrication work. Since I could not get a firm commitment at the time I was forced to make a decision. Unfortunately I could not continue to wait. After waiting three years, the answer always seemed to be that we were only a few months away. I understand all that went in to this on your side and do not harbor any ill will towards you and hope to do business with you in the future. I hope you feel the same way.
I can not say that I regret the decision, because I really like the way the car is turning out. I do regret that I can not continue on the list, please give my slot to the next guy in line. I could swing the transmission and keep it for the next project but that is not a good idea and is also not fair to all the others waiting.
Michael 1968 Barracuda Plano, TX
I coulda taken the spot from you, ol buddy ol pal.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/22/1406:15 PM
Quote: What was your number on the list Michael?
Jamie opened the list on Dec 7th, 2010 at 7:26am and I was added to the list on Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:53am. What number that was maybe Jamie knows, I never asked.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/23/1405:10 AM
Being 200 on the list, I fear my wait will be long. That's ok, as the 4spd. will do just fine until my turn comes up. Can't wait to hear this summer's reviews on the first installs.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/23/1405:54 PM
Quote: Being 200 on the list, I fear my wait will be long. That's ok, as the 4spd. will do just fine until my turn comes up. Can't wait to hear this summer's reviews on the first installs.
I feel your pain....I am somewhere around 180 on the list...another summer in the 4 speed I guess.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/24/1411:46 PM
Quote:
Quote: Being 200 on the list, I fear my wait will be long. That's ok, as the 4spd. will do just fine until my turn comes up. Can't wait to hear this summer's reviews on the first installs.
I feel your pain....I am somewhere around 180 on the list...another summer in the 4 speed I guess.
Glad to see I am not alone in this wait.
I can live with the 4sp, its the 4:10 gears that make it tough.
plus I an going to need a new clutch in the near future, I am dreading pulling the trans twice.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/25/1404:54 AM
Quote: [quote Glad to see I am not alone in this wait.
I can live with the 4sp, its the 4:10 gears that make it tough.
plus I an going to need a new clutch in the near future, I am dreading pulling the trans twice.
The 4:10's are my problem too...lots of fun, but they are killing me on the highway
Yeah 3600 rpm at 55 mph is a killer. So much so that it keeps me close to home. I would like to drive my car to Spring Fling, but 75+ miles (one-way) at those rpms would kill me and the wallet.
Re: Open letter to Jamie - Apology - 03/25/1407:44 AM
Quote:
Quote: What was your number on the list Michael?
Jamie opened the list on Dec 7th, 2010 at 7:26am and I was added to the list on Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:53am. What number that was maybe Jamie knows, I never asked.
Just know that you are now one spot closer!
I got on the list Dec 13th at 8:49am (when I received the pm from Jamie) and I am still patiently waiting, doing drag week last year with the 4:10's was trying at times to say the least but hopefully that will change in the next few weeks.
Has anyone put any power to one of these at the track in a (somewhat) heavy car i.e. 3600 or more? I am really having struggling on getting out the sawzall to hack up my original floor pan for a Lenco.
I don't mind maintenance or a pro shifted box on the street. As far as the clutch is concerned that isn't a huge deal for me either. The more I think about it the more I'd miss the h-pattern shifter if I go with a st1200.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/06/1405:08 AM
Quote:
Quote: John, You shoulda answered your phone... You missed the call! Now you go to the bottom of the list!
I am just kidding. I left you a message. Its your time. Jamie
Thanks Jamie! The check is on its way with this mornings mail. All I need to do now is get my street twin freshened and put some 4.10's in the Dana.
This is going to be epic!
John,
It was good meeting you, and your Cuda, today at Spring Fling. We really enjoyed talking with you and looking over and in your car. Keep us informed on the 5sp, once you get it intalled.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/13/1405:14 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: John, You shoulda answered your phone... You missed the call! Now you go to the bottom of the list!
I am just kidding. I left you a message. Its your time. Jamie
Thanks Jamie! The check is on its way with this mornings mail. All I need to do now is get my street twin freshened and put some 4.10's in the Dana.
This is going to be epic!
John,
It was good meeting you, and your Cuda, today at Spring Fling. We really enjoyed talking with you and looking over and in your car. Keep us informed on the 5sp, once you get it intalled.
Ron and Lynda
Oh no! It was my pleasure. You guys were great! I will post some pics for sure.
Jamie got my check near the beginning of the month. Even though I am #18 on the list, I paid the current asking price. Not because he asked, but because he has done the seemingly impossible!
He was going to honor the initial price I was quoted way back when (a few hundred less), but he deserves to make his money back AND THEN SOME!!!!
When it arrives via truck freight, I will repost with pics, so all you Mopar lovers will see what you have been waiting so patiently for.
The only time delay for me will be that I am going to ship my Street Twin back to McLeod to be freshened. I already have the 18 spline disc, but want a fresh clutch with this 700+ hp six pack.
I consulted Dr Diff, and had him ship me a set of Spicer 3.73's for my Dana. This is going to be good.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/15/1406:13 AM
Quote: Ive got 3:54's going into my cuda today so I can drive it,been on the passon list forever(#32)...........
I am supposedly number 27 and still have heard nothing. I talked to Jamie about three weeks ago (that is when I found out I was number 27) and he said he was on number 19 then, but again I still have not heard anything. Any one else have any news?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/15/1408:33 AM
I think I'm 440 on the list...I got awhile, quoted a year...curious I'm running the 3:55 gears right now, what will that bring me down to in 5th? would going up to 3:91's be too much of a hassle on the highway?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/15/1403:53 PM
At 2500 rpm in 5th with a 26.5" tire you would be running 72 mph with 3.91s and .7 high gear. You'd be doing about 2200 RPM with 3.55s at the same speed. Or, at 2500 rpm and 3.55 would be 79.4 mph. Now at 7K rpm!!!!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/16/1408:10 PM
Quote:
Quote: If business is booming, why doesn't the guy hire more people to get these things assembled and shipped out?
i'm sure he's got his reasons, but with something as delicate as this, i don't know that i would want to hire someone who isn't specifically familiar with assembling manual transmissions.
you train a guy as best you can, (which takes time away from everything else), and then a month later found out he was doing one little procedure wrong, and now you have 20 transmissions in the field with issues?
i agree that is the way you make a business work, but it's easier said than done.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/17/1409:47 AM
Number 18 on the list here with a little update. I spoke with Jamie this morning. He said they are slammed with work and will be working this weekend. One of the things he said is that he'll be packaging up my trans this weekend for shipment next week.
On the '70 e-body its going in, I had to pull the electric fuel pump and send it out to be rebuilt this week. I'm am hoping it will be back in time for the Mopar Alley Show coming up on June 1st at De Anza College in Cupertino, California.
Before the new trans goes in still need to pull my Street Twin clutch out, send it out to Mcleod and to have it freshened prior to being able to enjoy the 5 speed. It looks like I have a small gear oil leak at the front countershaft-to-case hole or at the input shaft somewhere on my factory trans, and it's allowed some gear oil to coat the inside of the scattershield and puts a few drips of gear oil on the ground after a couple days. The pressure plate and clutch themselves seem dry, already are 18-spline, but I'm not going to take any chances with a possibly contaminated clutch.
I'm going to end up driving the car with the 3.54's for a while before putting in 3.73's. I do need more torque multiplication in the first four gears, as I can only spin the rear 325 50R15 Nitto's half the time through second on the street with the 3,54's once they have warmed up. Every once in a while, they almost hook up in first, and that gives pretty impressive acceleration when it happens.
Dr Diff helped me figure that 3.73's will be just about perfect for my final cruise RPM in 5th at 70 mph, and give me some extra get up and go.
Like that old Hot Rod Lincoln song says, I'll be looking forward to the times I can say "....and I shook it on down into overdrive".
More to follow when the trans shows up. I'm all the way over on the left coast in San Jose, CA, so it's a pretty good truck ride from Jamie's place.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/18/1402:54 AM
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Suppliers can be the hold up too.
I got a call from Jamie earlier this morning. He was saying he got a batch of rods with a slightly incorrect bend. They had to wait to get correct ones from the supplier. He also said my trans and shifter are boxed up and ready to ship! He gave me a few tips and things to remember with the install too.
Quality and craftsmanship, they are worth waiting for in my book.
This has become a busy year for me and my two Mopars. My '68 Barracuda convertible is getting a new drive train upgrade, a automatic overdrive (a built 200R4 with a Powerglide bolt on bellhousing, HD 3000 stall- one wire hook-up lock-up converter from Precision Torque Converters and a 750 hp rating for the trans- they make one that holds 1000 hp and a bell housing is available for Big Block Mopars too. It's a nice option as it takes a lot less under-car modification to fit one in an A, E or B body)
The particular bellhousing I'm using fits Mopar small blocks and Gen 3 Hemi's). No more adapter plates and spacers, but there is still a bit of massaging and fabricating of a rear trans mount at the torsion bar crossover. There are several great threads about this over at A-bodies Only. in the Drivetrain section.
This '68 convertible's transmission is going to be powered by a fresh EFI'd 408 Magnum stroker with Hughes Super Prepped CNC massaged with extra hand blended Eddie heads, Airgap intake, Super Gulp throttle body, a decent sized hydraulic roller, Hughes bottom end and Hemifever's SCT tune. It should come in around 500+hp. I'm right at the beginning of that project and the short block is almost together. It won't be long, but I bet I get the 1970 on the road first.
I know, I know; it's a GM trans, but it requires significantly less horsepower to drive than the Mopar overdrives and it requires a lot less surgery at the crossmember. The only cuts required on an A-body are to small portions of the torsion bar crossover.
I wonder which car is going to be quicker to 150+ mph? the '68 weighs just under 3000 lbs, and the 1970 has to be somewhere around 3600+lbs with around 700 hp.
In Jamie's transmissions case, it simply bolts right in making it worth every penny and them some for those of us who would never want to cut anything on a numbers matching 440-6 car.
My hypocrisy with using GM parts in my Mopars only goes so far, besides you won't be able to see the transmission in my '68 and I won't bring it up at car shows. etc
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/23/1407:35 PM
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ARE YOU FOR REAL??????? I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WOULD EVEN MAKE THAT STATEMENT!!!!!! This is not "Insert Peg A into Hole B" Come on guys, if it was that easy, don't you think I would do that??? Believe me, The amount of hours that I am working is really starting to wear on me.
I see no good coming from that move. That is a good way to end up with a whole lot of junk. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/23/1408:31 PM
Number 18 on the list here with UPS Tracking Numbers in hand, the hand built Transmission is due here this coming Tuesday afternoon.
I'm darn glad it was put together by the master himself and not some crew of newbie trainee's left over from Kiesler's shop or somewhere else that a few naysayers think he should have hired and trained.
Most here get it. It's been a needed product since these cars were first made. Relative to that time span, Jamie has pulled off the design, manufacture and build in what could be considered record time!
How many people in your lines of work are truly masterful at the jobs they do, versus how many can just get by and always seem to miss the true art of doing the job right?
At my work, the ratios don't look to good, but I see that in almost all professions. The really good ones are usually always booked solid and working their hind ends off! Recession and injury affected folks excluded.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/23/1408:33 PM
Well Jamie the problem is that there are alot of people that don't have a clue what it takes to run a business let alone finding really good workers. Thanks for the hard work and the questions that you answered for me over the years and the times that you were willing to stop by at my shop or home to help me with my transmissions!!! Now get some rest when you can so you don't burn out!!!!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/23/1409:59 PM
Was a sales rep for a Vinyl window manufacturer.. New president stepped in and started making what seemed some A$$inine decisions..
One was to take manufacturing to what was called ISO 9000 ( I think anyway, been awhile) which involved triple checking everything done in the manufacturing process.. What a joke right???
Anyone ever check their new tape measure when they get one?? The company got in an entire box of Tape measures that were 1/4" off... Without the ISO process they would have never been found and custom sized windows were built with 1/8" specs... What a nightmare that would have been..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/24/1401:51 PM
Im glad to wait for a trans that i know has been put together properly and not just thrown together and shipped out,i ordered mine on jan 21/14 so i have a ways to go before my number comes up but in my opinion it will be worth it. thx Bruce
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/24/1406:29 PM
I have been waiting a few years now....I am number 180 (or something like that) hopefully by next spring I can be shifting a 5 speed. Don't mind the wait if it means no problems with the final product!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/24/1407:07 PM
yeah for sure, the car will be ready for next summer so hopefully it will work out but if not may have to run a 4-speed if it does not and then change it when the 5-speed shows up. i am planing to install the hemi,trans and headers sitting on the alterkation from underneath so it would be nice to do it once and forget about it but we shall see.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/24/1407:15 PM
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ARE YOU FOR REAL??????? I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WOULD EVEN MAKE THAT STATEMENT!!!!!! This is not "Insert Peg A into Hole B" Come on guys, if it was that easy, don't you think I would do that??? Believe me, The amount of hours that I am working is really starting to wear on me.
I see no good coming from that move. That is a good way to end up with a whole lot of junk. Jamie
I made the statement, with the assumption, that only highly-trained and qualified people would be hired. I'm sure there are people on Moparts.Com that would love to work for you. As you stated, the hours are wearing you down. However, in reality, I do not know the complexities of your operation or what is involved. I do wish you the Best of Luck and I hope you take of yourself as well. The first wealth is health.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/28/1408:57 AM
The Passon unit and accessories are safely tucked away in my garage. It sure looks great! Its a lot smaller that the 200R4 I'm about to shoehorn in my '68 A-body.
Now I just have to pull my original trans, street twin clutch for a rebuild and rearend for a gear change and put it all back together to get things rolling.
The final car show with a four speed in this car is this Sunday, so it will begin after that.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/28/1408:58 AM
The other goodies. The shifter lever rods come fully adjusted by Jamie, and he was very clear about using electrical tape etc to stop them from turning on the adjusters prior to installation.
Kit also includes a longer speedometer cable which I will lube prior to install.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/28/1409:00 AM
another view sitting next to a Stage 2 (750hp/650tq) Extreme Automatics GM 200R4 with Lonny's (the owner of EA) CNC'd adapter ring and a bellhousing that used to be used to bolt the two speed racing Powerglides to GM's, Ford's, Big Block Mopars, Small block Mopars and the new Gen 3 Hemi's.
Notice how much wider even this small 200R4 is next to the Passon unit, especially by the rear torsion bar cross member location.
Even though the 200R4 requires the least massaging and fabricating of all the overdrive automatics, there is still some cutting and welding involved or the cross member, but on a dramatically, much less structurally impacting level and on a significantly smaller scale. The modifications are reversible too! If you ever want to go back to original. Check over on a-bodies only as the project progresses through the summer if you're interested. It uses no computer, is tough and requires only simple on/off 12V source to activate the lock-up, which automatically disengages when it drops out of foutrth.
I'm using a billet HD torque converter from Precision Torque converters. I guess I'm one of the first to go with the bellhousing method and the hybrid GM/Mopar style converter as opposed to the old Wilcat or TCI plate technique and a straight GM converter with adapters.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/28/1403:03 PM
Back side. Notice the position of the rear trans mounts on both units. It actually measures out to 4 1/2" farther back on the 200R4.
You got to admit, this is two separate ways of going state-of-the-art for putting overdrives in old Mopars.
The automatic is goning in a '68 Barracuda convertible, with a 500 HP something hp 408" Magnum with fuel injected, SCT Tuned by Hemifever and will have a lock-up torque converter and a/c
The four speed is going in 493" with 3 mechanical secondary DC Performance Holleys. It's just a beast with slightly over 700hp at 5500 rpm.
I wonder which one will be quicker and faster. My best guess for both cars is the a-body weighs in at under 3000lbs wit 3.91 gears and 500+ hp just below 6ooo rpm. The e-body is in the 3500 to 3600lbs with 3.73 gears with 700 HP @5500rpm.
One of these days I will have to take them over to the metal recycling yard and get an accurate weigh in on both of them.
It looks like it should be pretty close, but the 68 will kill the 70 in the canyons just yet. More improvements to be made on the 70.
This is going to be good, but so much for buying a new truck for my retirement.
Except for the cold bloodedness of the big block at start up, it runs just as crisp and clean as the EFI car thanks to wide band tuning technology.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/30/1404:49 AM
Mine came with a yellow breather hose that is mounted high on the firewall. Has yours got that? Also I never got the gear lever shift pattern decal. I still had to adjust 1-2 lever even after Jaimie sent it. Shift gate for neutral was not even and made missed shifts easy to do. Now all good. I used blue loctite on the shift lever threads to lock it in other wise they wobble around and wear over time. Don't forget it uses synthetic oil not Dino gear oil. I love mine and it is finally loosening up. Nothing but good things to say about Jaimie and the 5 speed product he produces. It will be kind of weird when you install as it fits just like a 4 speed. Also please remember to do up the speedo cable before you get the back end up to its position. First thing you will notice is the smooth and quiet running in neutral when you start it up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/30/1406:31 AM
I agree that you can't rush excellence. With what I've see of the product, I will be more than happy to wait my turn. Kudos to Jamie and his work-force.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/30/1406:25 PM
Quote: Mine came with a yellow breather hose that is mounted high on the firewall. Has yours got that? Also I never got the gear lever shift pattern decal. I still had to adjust 1-2 lever even after Jaimie sent it. Shift gate for neutral was not even and made missed shifts easy to do. Now all good. I used blue loctite on the shift lever threads to lock it in other wise they wobble around and wear over time. Don't forget it uses synthetic oil not Dino gear oil. I love mine and it is finally loosening up. Nothing but good things to say about Jaimie and the 5 speed product he produces. It will be kind of weird when you install as it fits just like a 4 speed. Also please remember to do up the speedo cable before you get the back end up to its position. First thing you will notice is the smooth and quiet running in neutral when you start it up.
It does not have a breather hose. I'll consult Jamie in a week or two and find out if I need to put one on there. Thanks for the update and personal experience with the adjustments etc.
There is an art to adjusting shift linkage and especially the mechanical clutch actuating mechanisms. The z-bar arms have to be perfectly lined up with the clutch's attaching rods on both ends for example. The connecting point on the z-bar and the rod ends have to lay flat, have no burs and be properly lubricated with the plastic washer installed. The more perfectly they square up to the clutch rod to the pedal assembly and throw=out arm, the better your clutfch will work. I also use a bit heavier spring to pull the throwout arm back off the throwout bearing(towards the front of the car) This helps a lot.
I almost exclusively use synthetic disc brake grease on almost every part of my car that takes lubricant, especially all those parts clutch Z-bar parts and contact points, and even super sparingly on the input shaft spines of the transmission and throw out bearing sleeve (I do mean super sparingly, like you almost can't even see it on the trans input shaft splines and throw-out bearing sleeve- you don't want it flinging off into your clutch friction!!!
It is the ultimate lubricant for most things that, move slide sin and rub against each other on these cars, including window tracks and mechanisms, and almost anything else the moves. It doesn't attack rubber, plastic, nylon or anything else, has an incredible temperature range, is exceedingly washout resistant, and has Teflon, PTFE, Moly, Graphite and other super lubricants mixed in it. Try it, you'll like it!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/30/1406:46 PM
Quote: It does not have a breather hose. I'll consult Jamie in a week or two and find out if I need to put one on there.
The breather hose versions were the first ones he shipped, then the vent was relocated and the new location did not require the hose for proper ventilation.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/02/1405:38 AM
No. You use your own adapter and speedo gear from your original tranny. Of course that now fits on the right side that's why Jaimie provides a longer speedo cable with the kit.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/03/1405:25 PM
My official Passon install, rear gear change clutch rebuilding and front suspension upgrade project has officially began!
I started at the rear of the car, pulled the valence, then the rear end.
I couldn't quite get used tot he idea of an aluminum cased looking transmission so I cleaned it, masked it off, primed it with self etching primer, put a few coats of regular primer on it and will put several medium wet coats of Cast Blast, cast iron finish on it today. You guys can decide what you think.
I've never set-up a gear set before, but I have the tools, watched a lot of Youtube and have some good PDF's of what to do, and am going to give it a try....I think. I may just load it up in the truck and take it over to the rear end shop to have it done. I have too many projects on the stove right now. It really makes me happy though.
While the car is up in the air, I'm going to put in some 1" or slightly bigger front torsion bars, weld on the lower control arm braces and install a set of Hotchkis adjustable front strut rods. It mad such a huge difference in my '68, It was unbelievable!. It's like another car in the corners and still rides well.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/05/1408:54 AM
Quote: actually, i think it makes a huge difference. i would do it also!
Thanks MickM, I really like how it came out. Now I'm struggling with getting the exhaust apart. I'm going to change the Dynomax Super Turbos for a similar sized set of Hooker Aero Chambers. They should sound good with those through the valence factory style 3 inch tips.
I got enough of the exhaust out to start working on pulling the trans in the AM. I'll try to shoot a few more pics of the old stuff coming out. There's a good dose of gear oil on my scatter shield, so the street Twin is getting shipped out to McLeod for a rebuild, just in case. It hadn't slipped yet, but with the gear oil from the old trans being so close to it. I didn't want to take a chance.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/11/1406:15 AM
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I would be interested to know as well.......(also patiently waiting to shift into 5th)
I wish I knew, I am getting ready for drag week and my new motor is almost ready, so I want to get the car assembled and get some miles on it. I will not go to drag week with just the four speed again (did it last year!!!3200 rpm at 60 mph, no fun!) I am number 27 on the list. I have looked at the number of transmissions that have been sent out as people post about it (this sight, forabodiesonly, & forbbodiesonly) and seems about 2 a month are coming out. so here is my dilemma- keep waiting or go the gear vendor route? I want the passon 5 speed but this is starting to cut it close. If I go the gear vendor route I will be purchasing taller rear tires to make up the difference for the overdrive ratio (.7 to .78 for gear vendor)do not really want to do this. Only advantage I see in the gear vendor is that it allows me to have my spare 18 spline sent to liberty and have 2nd, 3rd and 4th face plated. Decisions, decisions decisions!!!!!
Update!! I was called by Jamie today and mine is ready just paid for the rest of it. Can't wait to see it next week thanks again Jamie!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/11/1410:28 AM
not that I wouldn't buy Jamie's 5 speed. But I ordered an LGT700 from Legend and should be getting it in 2 weeks or so. It the same as the SS700 kit Keisler had but Legend built them....its another option.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/12/1403:26 AM
Quote: not that I wouldn't buy Jamie's 5 speed. But I ordered an LGT700 from Legend and should be getting it in 2 weeks or so. It the same as the SS700 kit Keisler had but Legend built them....its another option.
Get used to seeing tailites like these if you have a Keebler tranny . The transmission nazi contacted me today . Delivery to Carlisle .. Didnt ask what number i am or was . i just moved over in line .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/12/1412:15 PM
I will translate:
Get used to seeing tailites like these if you have a Keebler tranny- if you have a kiesler snake charming transmission in your car all you will see are taillights like those in the pic
The transmission nazi contacted me today . Delivery to Carlisle .. Didnt ask what number i am or was. i just moved over in line. i do not know what my number is. Translate - Jamie called, said pick up your trans in Carlisle. Because some of you like to whine about the output of this wonderful product and other trivial matters you make it look like Jamie is not working hard and holding off on delivering transmisions when in reality he is working his !@# off...
Give the guy a break, until there was Passon Performance there was no reliable 4sp re builder that could produce a vibration free, quiet, A833 4 speed that would safely go 130 mph on the road course. Now he comes out with a 5 speed and there is more whining instead of gratitude.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/12/1412:38 PM
Also if I remember correctly when I talked to Jamie months and months ago he said that he is building them in batches a body e body b body. So just because your number 23 on the list doesn't mean your get the 23rd transmission built which would explain why number 27 just recieved a phone call and I have yet to hear from Jamie. I am patiently waiting for my call. I had the car out to a car show and ran the freeway and was looking at the rpm gauge and Speedo and dreaming about how great it will be to be going 20 mph faster at the same rpm
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/12/1401:38 PM
Relax - 383 - just pickin on you . I hope the tranny works for you. Yes it was an easy alternative . But theres already another post somewhere on the board about the tranny you bought. Im sure the market will be saturated soon with his 5 speeds that will actually work .
I cant remember if i asked him to put me on the list 4 or 5 years ago . In my situation it fit my schedule . I only bugged him a couple times to check schedule. ( couple times a Year .
If i woulda went with another brand - something tells me i woulda been still debugging it for as long as i waited.
Sorry, i guess only a few could translate my post . I didnt expect everyone to understand the joke . And i dont speculate that Jamie picks and chooses whos getting one.
Thank god someones taking their time and Checking twice before shipment of a product .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/14/1405:17 PM
Quote: I will translate:
Get used to seeing tailites like these if you have a Keebler tranny- if you have a kiesler snake charming transmission in your car all you will see are taillights like those in the pic
The transmission nazi contacted me today . Delivery to Carlisle .. Didnt ask what number i am or was. i just moved over in line. i do not know what my number is. Translate - Jamie called, said pick up your trans in Carlisle. Because some of you like to whine about the output of this wonderful product and other trivial matters you make it look like Jamie is not working hard and holding off on delivering transmisions when in reality he is working his !@# off...
Give the guy a break, until there was Passon Performance there was no reliable 4sp re builder that could produce a vibration free, quiet, A833 4 speed that would safely go 130 mph on the road course. Now he comes out with a 5 speed and there is more whining instead of gratitude.
, and hope the fascist comment was just over the top jest/frustration
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/01/1405:21 PM
Just an FYI: The 5th gear is engaged/disengaged using the reverse lever. An efficient, clean and insightful way to set up the shift pattern to be sure. The only downside to this method I have found so far, is that the nefarious factory Reverse Lock-out will no longer be able to be used, unless you want to forgo shifting into 5th, as it does still bolt up with the correct swivel, but won't allow it to move towards the 5th gear engagement position.
It's not that big of a deal to me to because I gain a 5th gear. I can't even remember all the times I wished I would have simply left it unhooked, as every once in a while it could be a bear to get it in or out of reverse. I'm surprised it was so tuff sometimes and easy as pie most of the time.
I stored all the stock parts along with the numbers matching transmission down in my basement with it's numbers matching block for the day I want the car to be underpowered, ill-handling and unable to stop well.
You know, all original for some museum somewhere. I when I finally start to loose it, and my ability to drive a 700 hp e-body on the street, I might even become one of those part number searching fanatics who look for the correct date codes on everything regardless of how well it works on the car.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/05/1405:32 PM
Quote: Finally a 5 speed option that doesn't require hacking up the car, and coming from a vendor with a great reputation too. I know they won't be cheap but if the price comes in reasonable the demand will be very high.
Nice wheels friend. That does look like a great 5 speed option.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/07/1402:54 AM
So far I've got around 3 hours drive time on the new unit. I'm also breaking in the rear end gears and the clutch. It's hard to stay out of it, but I am behaving.
The trans runs very, very smooth. The shifting felt a little notchy at first, but as the time and number of shift cycles increased, the easier it is becoming to shift. It is breaking in very nicely. I have no doubt it will just continue to improve as I get more miles on it. I love the lower gears around town and then being able to cruise at 70 mph at 2150 rpm. It's worth every penny saved and spent. Thank you Jamie!
So far I have a little over 125 miles on it 2/3 street light to street light and about 1/3 highway time on it.
I check the trans, rear end and other parts of the car with my laser temperature gun, and everything is staying cool, even the rear end.
Today, on the way to a car show I had my MSD Blaster coil fail and leave me stranded on the side of the highway. I got flat bedded home, checked the coil with an ohm meter and found it out of spec according to the MSD troubleshooting page. It was only 2 months old, and mounted near my horns far enough from any excessive engine heat.
I put a spare coil on at home and it fired right up. Summit is going to warrantee the bad coil.
Once it's fully broken in, I can hardly wait to wring this thing out through the first four gears and somewhere deep into 5th. Fear of death will kick in somewhere up at the speeds the car is now capable of with that overdrive and keep me from finding out how fast it can really go, at least I hope so anyway.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/14/1406:41 PM
I wonder what # also. It seems like it is a top secret thing. I do not want to bother the man, and would most likely wait no matter how long it takes (barring loss of job or another catastrophic event). It would be nice to know something.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/16/1404:59 AM
Quote: I wonder what # also. It seems like it is a top secret thing. I do not want to bother the man, and would most likely wait no matter how long it takes (barring loss of job or another catastrophic event). It would be nice to know something.
The wait is killing me. And I need a new clutch soon, and I dont want to pull the trans twice.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/22/1403:22 AM
Quote: It would be nice to know something.
My reply here serves as much usefulness as the "round girl carrying a number card between rounds".
What you really want to know is something more, Jamie needs to maybe take a cue from the weather forecasters, everybody wants to know something, and they pontificate and state matter of factly "there's a 40% chance of rain On Wed" ( I say everyday has a 50% chance, it either will or it won't rain, they change the odds by 10% and now are called experts ) and everybody walks away satisfied, because "they now know something". I betting nobody, but nobody wants to get on the other side of this project more then Jamie.
He will be surely nominated to the Mopar hall of fame when its completed.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/24/1408:40 AM
I officially nominate him! I love my 5 speed. I hate the break-in period though, especially since my other Mopar is blocking my driveway and keeping me from putting miles on it.
I can't wait to ring that thing out through all 5 gears....well, almost all the way through 5th anyway.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/30/1405:34 PM
Forgive my lack of attendance here as of late. We are busier than I could possibly imagine. Carlisle and the nationals really hit us hard trying to build stock to take to the shows as well as keep day to day stuff moving. I really have not had any free time available to nose around on here. We are in the low 30's as far as build number. NOW BEFORE EVERYONE SCREAMS THAT IS BELOW THAT NUMBER, we are building as we have components. This said, it has to be flexible either way to keep moving ahead. I look forward to things calming down just a little after Columbus. This will allow some more time to move quicker.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/30/1406:23 PM
keep up the good work. for those that are crying and whining, let them buy the other not cut perfect fit 5 spd trans for their classic mopar. (LOL!!!!!)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/31/1405:58 AM
I got mine yesterday ! Great looking piece. Now I have to get it in my challenger with the new 505 and get it broke in before drag week! So little time and so much to do! Thanks again Jamie for sticking with the project.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/31/1406:43 PM
Thanks for the update Jamie!
And yes we are like kids at Christmas, who know that we are getting the present we asked Santa Claus forand now we have to wait until December 25.which will never get here fast enough.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/23/1405:08 AM
Just an update for those of you still waiting. I just finished Hot Rod's Drag Week with my Passon 5 speed. It was flawless on the strip and down the road. One of the best upgrades I have ever made with the car. It was so nice to actually pass people on the highway! Info on my car- 1972 Challenger 3880 lbs with me in it, Dana 4.10 gears, new for this year 505 stroker (carb all messed up for drag week! any body want a gen 1 holley dominator?) ran a best of 11.53 during the week dropping the clutch at 4400 at the line and shifting at 5800-6000. Of course I did all of the required break in per Jamie's instructions. This box was great, the best shifting trans that's ever been in the car
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/09/1406:20 PM
Quote: so how much power can this thing handle? close to stock or can i slap it behind a twin turbo making 700+ HP? Are the ratios any good for road racing?
Dude, the ratios are listed, you have to decide if they will work for you for road racing.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/11/1412:42 AM
Quote: so how much power can this thing handle? close to stock or can i slap it behind a twin turbo making 700+ HP? Are the ratios any good for road racing?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/13/1412:07 AM
" so how much power can this thing handle? close to stock or can i slap it behind a twin turbo making 700+ HP? Are the ratios any good for road racing? "
LotsS!
Btw .. If you gotta mopar with twin turbos making Only 700 hp thats pretty sad... Do you have a twin turbo car?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/18/1404:22 PM
I couldn't stand not hearing any updates so I called Jamie. He said it's a good news/bad news deal. The bad news is he is changing the production process so immediate production will be extremely slow. The good news is that when the new process is in place he will be able to get A-855s out at a much faster pace. I'm number 182 and he says I'm realistically looking at a nine month delivery time.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/27/1404:29 PM
First of all, I want to apologize for my lack of checking the board. We have been RIDICULOUSLY busy at the shop. That has pretty much left me very little time anything else.
I saw 64Barracuda's post and I wanted to make sure everything that everyone was hearing this from the horse's mouth instead of second hand. Way back in the beginning, we were forced to make mention of this product probably 9-12 months earlier than we wanted to. This was forced by the expected announcement of the McLeod 5 speed unit. As everyone knows, that apparently was misinformation as this unit has not been released to date to my knowledge. At any rate, this unfortunately put into play a domino effect. It blew the lid off things and we have been trying to play catch up ever since. Including going down some avenues that were not fruitful during production.
One of the common questions I get from people is "have you been having any trouble with them?" As much as I want to say "NO! everything has been perfect!" I cannot lie to people like that. Anyone that has have ever manufactured something from a clean sheet of paper will tell you that there will ALWAYS be revisions needed. This project was no different than any other in that respect. We struggled through several issues. Some of which I NEVER would have thought would have been an issue. Some of these issues brought the project to a screeching halt in its tracks and took weeks/months to remedy. Couple this with an ever growing list of super excited people that are anticipating a true bolt in unit FINALLY and it becomes a recipe for disaster on our end. The extra stress adds to the time frame in different ways.
So, we have never been in a situation that we ever really had enough resources to make a huge production run of parts. It has been a small batch project. Well, this has not been working very well as most weeks the list grows two fold to what went out the door. Another issue is increasing costs of materials, machining. We will do our absolute best to try to keep these in check.
We are in the process of securing the production resources to make a much larger run of parts so that we can get many more built quicker. As soon as we finish those parts, we will be getting another run of parts in process so that they will be ready when we are wrapped up with the first one.
What is the end result is all I'm sure anyone cares about... We will be up and running under the new production layout at a much brisker pace in about 6 months. At that point we are anticipating having all backorders filled in as timely as fashion as possible. I am planning for a few months after that. Then at that point, we plan to stock the shelf with the units for very fast delivery.
I will keep people posted as often as possible as we are always running around keeping up with the 4 speed stuff too. If anyone has any questions, email is the best way to get me many times. Calling is fine, but you may have to leave a message and I will get back to you. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to all! Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/27/1406:18 PM
Well said Jamie, I know how hard it has been, as a user with a lot of miles with the unit it is certainly well worth the challenges we had. Happy Thanksgiving
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/28/1406:01 AM
I second that, well said Jamie. As a purchaser of as I understand it one of the first 10 units, we worked through our issue. I now have about 2000 miles on mine since the break in process, about 1999 very hard miles and have had absolutely no problems at all with the unit. For you guys waiting for yours I can assure you that it is well worth the wait, a 4:30 geared small block a body with a direct fit 5 speed, it doesn't get much better than this!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/29/1405:29 PM
Well said Jamie....I can understand needing the time to work through the issues and I am sure it will be worth the wait. I will send you an e-mail to confirm my number on the list...I honestly don't remember! I think it is like 180 or something......
Hope you had a good holiday with some much needed rest!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/30/1409:23 AM
Quote: " so how much power can this thing handle? close to stock or can i slap it behind a twin turbo making 700+ HP? Are the ratios any good for road racing? "
LotsS!
Btw .. If you gotta mopar with twin turbos making Only 700 hp thats pretty sad... Do you have a twin turbo car?
No i'm in the planning stages hence the very uninformed question. I see this is a getting a lot of attention and i know transmission can be a overlooked aspect of the car. sooo i figured this might be a good place to look.
i already like that can that i can mount it with stock shifter and mounts and drive shaft. so thank you for a link to the PDF ragtopdodge.
I have also been told the stock 440 block can only take so much power/horse power. I wish i could find the post talking about it.
any ways i'll print off off the PDF and see what the old man thinks.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1405:54 PM
Quote: I got mine back in October and I believe I was number 43 on the list.
well got great news from Jamie that I was #261 minus the ones he has built, he couldn't find me on the list but he did after looking around a bit. I ordered it on jan 22/14 still have a ways to go but it will be worth it. bruce
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/1406:23 PM
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well got great news from Jamie that I was #261 minus the ones he has built, he couldn't find me on the list but he did after looking around a bit. I ordered it on jan 22/14 still have a ways to go but it will be worth it. bruce
That's good news. I ordered mine around Aug 2013, and I think he said I was number 19?....Like you I need to email him and confirm.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/10/1403:20 AM
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well got great news from Jamie that I was #261 minus the ones he has built, he couldn't find me on the list but he did after looking around a bit. I ordered it on jan 22/14 still have a ways to go but it will be worth it. bruce
That's good news. I ordered mine around Aug 2013, and I think he said I was number 19?....Like you I need to email him and confirm.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/10/1406:08 AM
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well got great news from Jamie that I was #261 minus the ones he has built, he couldn't find me on the list but he did after looking around a bit. I ordered it on jan 22/14 still have a ways to go but it will be worth it. bruce
That's good news. I ordered mine around Aug 2013, and I think he said I was number 19?....Like you I need to email him and confirm.
I e-mailed and he never answered.....
I have heard that from others as well. He is a very busy man, however he should return emails in a timely fashion.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/11/1404:10 AM
Yeah, he should reply to everyone who keeps asking him how much it costs too. That way, he won't ever have to work on another trans. as long as he lives.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/12/1403:25 AM
Quote: Yeah, he should reply to everyone who keeps asking him how much it costs too. That way, he won't ever have to work on another trans. as long as he lives.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1404:35 AM
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well got great news from Jamie that I was #261 minus the ones he has built, he couldn't find me on the list but he did after looking around a bit. I ordered it on jan 22/14 still have a ways to go but it will be worth it. bruce
That's good news. I ordered mine around Aug 2013, and I think he said I was number 19?....Like you I need to email him and confirm.
I e-mailed and he never answered.....
I have heard that from others as well. He is a very busy man, however he should return emails in a timely fashion.
1. In a perfect world 2. If He had an office staff of 10+ 3. If hand holding is more important then a great well built transmission 4. There are still only 24 hrs in a day 5. I have plenty of faith he is doing his best, and doing it better then most others
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/18/1404:44 AM
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well got great news from Jamie that I was #261 minus the ones he has built, he couldn't find me on the list but he did after looking around a bit. I ordered it on jan 22/14 still have a ways to go but it will be worth it. bruce
That's good news. I ordered mine around Aug 2013, and I think he said I was number 19?....Like you I need to email him and confirm.
I e-mailed and he never answered.....
I have heard that from others as well. He is a very busy man, however he should return emails in a timely fashion.
1. In a perfect world 2. If He had an office staff of 10+ 3. If hand holding is more important then a great well built transmission 4. There are still only 24 hrs in a day 5. I have plenty of faith he is doing his best, and doing it better then most others
So what are you saying....I am looking for hand holding?? I have and continue to be very patient....been on the list 3 years and spoke to him once and e-mailed him once......
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/24/1405:26 AM
Mcleod will have one out mid 2015. They have a GM version now. I got a passion quote,it was much higher than Hurst,Tremec ,Silver and Mcleod. Sorry Facts are facts. Price was over 3k more. Needs to be more competitive in this market,IMO. Just passing info.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/24/1405:43 AM
Quote: Mcleod will have one out mid 2015. They have a GM version now. I got a passion quote,it was much higher than Hurst,Tremec ,Silver and Mcleod. Sorry Facts are facts. Price was over 3k more. Needs to be more competitive in this market,IMO. Just passing info.
Jamie has sold units in MOPAR customer cars NOW, McCloud has nothing but promises, so far they are just talk. Not to mention the unit they had on display at SEMA a couple years ago wouldn't fit without hacking the floors so it's not a player in this hunt IMO.
As far as price goes, you are saying McCloud (or anyone else) can provide a 5 speed manual trans for $3,000.00 LESS than a Passon? That's a cost of roughly $1,500.00? Yea, RIGHT! If that happens you can count on it being a huge POS
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/24/1405:57 AM
Quote: Mcleod will have one out mid 2015. They have a GM version now. I got a passion quote,it was much higher than Hurst,Tremec ,Silver and Mcleod. Sorry Facts are facts. Price was over 3k more. Needs to be more competitive in this market,IMO. Just passing info.
I will believe McLeod has released it when I see it in a car. McLeod said the exact same thing in late 2010 which is what forced Jamie's hand in starting this thread in December 2010. Jamie ran into a LOT of unforeseen issues along the way, but his product has at least been in "limited" release now and hopefully, for his sake and those on the waiting list, he is ramping into volume production soon. The "comparable" T-56 Magnum as a bare transmission is $3k. Add in the cost of the other parts you need for a swap and the price Jamie has is competitive. Please do not compare the TKO-500 as something that is similar, it is not. The T56 magnum and Jamie's "855" are the only non-race transmissions available that my engine would not outright shred. Cheaper transmissions are just that, cheaper for a reason.
-Michael
PS. Just FYI... I do not have a dog in this hunt or a product to sell you. I am just a Mechanical Engineer who has designed a few things and know first hand the kind of pain Jamie has had to endure on his road to manufacturing this product. Earlier this year my name came up on the list and Jamie called me, I had been on the list since December 2010. Unfortunately it was about 6 months too late and I had already installed a T56 Magnum in my car. Kind of a bummer because I think it would have been cheaper to do the Passon and less painful.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/24/1406:26 PM
I have stayed away from saying very much on this thread, I have a 67 GTX with a 572 hemi, 735+ HP, 718 + Torque (reason for the + is that was with a 950 holly, now is a fast 2.0 EFI flows 1050) car weighs 4100 bare, lots of extras, Dana 60 w/4:30 gears, MT 12.00X30 rears, cal tracs, and of course a 855, 3400 miles on the car since the 855 went in, went thru some issues but it looks to me like you can not break it and it absolutely bolts right in, I also used a 3 1/2 " drive shaft with billet front and rear yokes. Only problem I have now is the rear wheels studs have a tendency to bend a little and they are ARP. Bottom line is this is a excellent transmission, I went thru a Keisler A41 automatic stage 3, it is no fun R&R trans to repair and have no confidence in its reliability. Bruce
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/25/1406:59 AM
Bruce, I remember seeing your car at the Nats in Columbus and reading the board outside your car and stopped to ask you about the trans .....you must be one of the first on the road with the 855. Your car is well done
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/25/1402:20 PM
Quote: Mcleod will have one out mid 2015. They have a GM version now. I got a passion quote,it was much higher than Hurst,Tremec ,Silver and Mcleod. Sorry Facts are facts. Price was over 3k more. Needs to be more competitive in this market,IMO. Just passing info.
Jamie - i think you should raise the price by $500 My time is money - If its gonna take me 2 weeks of head scratching and hacking up a car to put in a less expensive product...........
I dont know about others, but i can make 70 + bucks an hour fixing equipment in someones building.
I estimate i owe Jamie about 2100 bucks . I literally had my transmission installed in 4 hrs. and had a 100 miles on it by end of day. Should have took me 2-3 im slowing down and misplace tools that i used 4 minutes prior.
Facts are facts .
This board is a great tool to observe other peoples mistakes , achievements and observations. Use it wisely , and be observant and youll have A Fast , unhacked , dependable car.
im not the oldest person on this board, but Had i woulda listened to others at times, it would paid for a lot of other good things. Like a deposit on a second tranny . Put me on the list for anuther.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/25/1404:35 PM
I have installed Tremec's in the past.Was happy with NONE of them. I have used Jamie's OD 4 speed and if his new 5 speed works the same,,, It will be in the next stick project for sure.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1505:21 AM
Dangina - I will have my Chally over in Calgary in the spring at Big 4 and Spring Fling. You are welcome to view it and perhaps a ride. My A855 was installed Sept 2013. I was the first in Canada and perhaps 2nd or 3rd in the world to get a production model.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/09/1507:17 PM
Short of reading ALL 25 pages within this tread, how much is the A-855 going for? I have read some and I see two things; timing of email responses and production. I am seriously considering converting my 727 Daytona to a manual ( yes, Mike, you told me so ). But, I'm not sure which direction I'll go if I do. Apparently there's a couple of avenuses such as; 1. a straight up rebuilt of the A-833 I have 2. Passon 3. Tremec 4. I think there was another option?
At home, I have OEM parts: bellhousing ( aluminum for '70 and up? ) proper pedal assembly z-bar flywheel pedal rod floor pan hump fork crossmember
OK, Just got an email back from Jaime ( appreciate the quick response )..
$5000 for one unit... Didn't think they were that much... I'm sure it is well worth it... May have to weigh the cost of swapping out the 4.10's for 3.54's and just rebulding the A-833 I have already.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/09/1508:12 PM
Quote: Short of reading ALL 25 pages within this tread, how much is the A-855 going for? I have read some and I see two things; timing of email responses and production. I am seriously considering converting my 727 Daytona to a manual ( yes, Mike, you told me so ). But, I'm not sure which direction I'll go if I do. Apparently there's a couple of avenuses such as; 1. a straight up rebuilt of the A-833 I have 2. Passon 3. Tremec 4. I think there was another option?
At home, I have OEM parts: bellhousing ( aluminum for '70 and up? ) proper pedal assembly z-bar flywheel pedal rod floor pan hump fork crossmember
OK, Just got an email back from Jaime ( appreciate the quick response )..
$5000 for one unit... Didn't think they were that much... I'm sure it is well worth it... May have to weigh the cost of swapping out the 4.10's for 3.54's and just rebulding the A-833 I have already.
What exactly is your question?
It is worth the wait and expense for sure...especially on a Daytona.
Why not go ahead and do your conversion with the parts at hand then simply drop the 833 and add the 855 when it's available?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/09/1508:55 PM
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What exactly is your question?
It is worth the wait and expense for sure...especially on a Daytona.
Why not go ahead and do your conversion with the parts at hand then simply drop the 833 and add the 855 when it's available?
My original question was the cost and as I wrote this, Jaime emailed me back with the cost. Availability is one thing, cost is another. I may just go ahead and have my A-833 rebuilt and make sure all the other components I have are good to go then take the deep breath and have the floor cut for installation of the hump. I can either change out the 4.10's for 3.54's or keep the 4.10's and buy the A-855 later. I am not sure the later is an option since I loath driving the car on the highway with 4.10's without an overdrive unit. Currently I have a GearVendor in it now.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/09/1509:30 PM
Troy, your dilemma seems fairly easy to solve for.
I suggest you do the conversion and add Jamie's Hemi Overdrive conversion to you current 833. This will allow you to keep your 4.10s and still allow for highway cruising.
Spend a little time on his site to look at that option as a great stop-gap until your 855 is ready.
The last piece of this is for you to sell me the GV unit for my Satellite when your conversion is complete
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1505:09 PM
Hello all, I am sorry its been a while. One cannot appreciate how busy we are getting things in order for production. I have a few moments so I wanted to pop on for an update. We are in process of producing individual components now. This is going acceptably. Not amazingly, but it could be worse. We are estimating to begin building units in about 6 months. The initial run will be approx 150 transmissions. We currently have well over 300 people waiting for the unit. Therefore, I expect to satisfy the list or at least be very close to satisfying it in two production runs.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE FOLLOWING!!!!
I want to make sure everyone understands the process here because historically, people have viewed time frames as "at 6 months, there will be 150 built transmissions that have miracled themselves together and are in shipping boxes ready to ship." This is not how it works. We are putting in place an assembly line type layout. The intention is to component things out into assemblies. I do not have a scheduled "per day" amount built at this time. We will build as many as we can as quickly as we can. That is the best way that I can thing to handle that.
Regarding deposits. We are not requiring any at this time. However, shortly we will be requiring a 50% deposit from customers on the list to keep things rolling as efficiently as possible.
Admittedly, this has been a very difficult process. I feel that we have finally turned the corner on the project. I want to thank everyone that held out and didn't lose faith in us or the product. In the end, I have ALWAYS tried to be straight forward with people as to the issues that have developed during the project. Sometimes, updates have been far between but that is because we are working diligently to keep things moving ahead. In the end, I feel that this will have been a VERY rewarding journey. I have learned the reason NO ONE has had the guts to accomplish something of this magnitude. Everyone else has tried give a face lift to an existing platform unit and try to make it fit. However, it seems that in every case, concessions are made in one aspect or another. We have worked very hard to make this a trouble free easy installation. We have accomplished this.
In closing, I realize that this product is not for everyone. It is no doubt a premium product that requires a premium price. People fit into every aspect of the hobby and have all different budgets. This is what makes the world go around. Just because someone cannot afford it, or does not want to spend that much, does not make them a bad person. At the end of the day, we are not forcing anyone to buy this unit. No judgements are made if a person declines because of price. It is amazing though, how people will call to inquire and then proceed to dress me down about how crazy I am and there is no way that a transmission is worth that and yell and scream at me and in general be very rude. I do not hold it against them. These people obviously have no idea what is involved in creating something like this. Hopefully this will be kept to a minimum in the future.
As always, if anyone has questions, feel free to contact me. Just, PLEASE be patient for a reply. We always reply to people as quickly as possible. Email is best. I get very little time to come on here, so I do not recommend PM's.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1505:58 PM
Quote: It is amazing though, how people will call to inquire and then proceed to dress me down about how crazy I am and there is no way that a transmission is worth that and yell and scream at me and in general be very rude. I do not hold it against them.
You are a better man than I, this is totally unacceptable behavior.
I don't care if you are selling hotdogs or Lamborghini's.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1507:45 PM
I'm lucky to have received one of the first units last year. Its a fantastic piece and one of the best changes I could have done to make my car more universally enjoyable. Keep up the good fight Jamie, at some point I will be needing another one!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/24/1508:04 PM
To help put the price into perspective on the five speed....
My face plated 18 spline aluminum 4-speed will have a price tag North of 4k and that is not accounting for the shifter, etc. A five speed that handles the same level of abuse is a bargain at the current price and beyond. It's always funny how people compare things when it comes to car stuff. People spend big money on NOS look alike plug wires and then start tripping on a 5k overdrive, bolt in transmission.
More perspective:
The Lenco ST-1200 with aerospace bearings, shifter and yoke is $5650 plus shipping. That's the Legendary Lenco 4-speed folks. I ordered my ST-1200 before Thanksgiving and it's still not here FYI. The trans that started this post will eventually be IN STOCK, ready to ship (correct me if I am wrong) if they can keep them on the shelf with the surging demand.
We should all be thankful to Mr. Passon for sticking his neck and livelihood (as well as sanity ) to pull off a made-in-USA transmission that already has a legacy of it's own. Don't forget that all the while he has been supporting customers new and old alike with the same customer service we have all be graced with.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/28/1504:20 PM
*****EVERYONE****** PLEASE READ MY LAST UPDATE POST CAREFULLY!
As I stated, I have very little time to monitor the board. It may take a week or more to get a response by PM. I have gotten tons of people that want to know where they are on the list. I will contact people when we need deposits. EMAIL is the best way to get a hold of me. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/05/1504:03 AM
This has been posted a couple dozen pages back but it's worth reposting. I can not tell you how impressed I am with this transmission, so much so that I put in my order for a second one the same day I received the first one.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/05/1507:03 PM
Quote: This has been posted a couple dozen pages back but it's worth reposting. I can not tell you how impressed I am with this transmission, so much so that I put in my order for a second one the same day I received the first one.
STOP POSTING transmission porn Scott, your killing me. I can not wait to get mine. I contacted Jamie last week and ordered a 23 spline OD to hold me over until the 5sp arrives.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/06/1505:29 AM
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Quote: This has been posted a couple dozen pages back but it's worth reposting. I can not tell you how impressed I am with this transmission, so much so that I put in my order for a second one the same day I received the first one.
STOP POSTING transmission porn Scott, your killing me. I can not wait to get mine. I contacted Jamie last week and ordered a 23 spline OD to hold me over until the 5sp arrives.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/06/1505:53 AM
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STOP POSTING transmission porn Scott, your killing me. I can not wait to get mine. I contacted Jamie last week and ordered a 23 spline OD to hold me over until the 5sp arrives.
Keep up the good work Jamie.
What was the rough ETA for that in wks?
He said six months before he starts the next 150 units or so and then the time to build those and reorder parts for the next batch....so I think the earliest should be around 35 to 50 weeks for mine #244 on the list, sooner for those with lower numbers.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/07/1506:23 AM
Yes I was inpatient as well so I dropped the $ on a OD Unit. I needed a clutch real bad and wanted to enjoy my car more this summer, with some longer driving trip, so since I had to pull the trans for the clutch anyways.....what a few extra $$ for an OD trans.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/01/1506:00 PM
Quote: Does anyone know what number they are on? I should be number 85 on the original list. I'm just trying to get things together in case he's close.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/01/1506:51 PM
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I'm #92 and I just got mine! 4/01/15
Keep in mind RCK850, these transmissions aren't going out "down the list."
I'm #43, but have to wait until the linkage is sorted out for the 71 b body with bench seat.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/20/1504:35 PM
Supposedly, the GM versions of the McLeod are shipping out. McLeod has alternately called them "Muncie Style" and "Based on the A833"
Torque rating is 500 ft-lbs. "Expect little to know cutting" for the GM versions. Which means there will be cutting. And plenty of it. No crossmenber available, either. When and IF the MoPar versions come out, you'd better believe they will be an even tougher fit.
The torque rating and fitment issues of the McLeod at their price prove the A-855 to be a bargain.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/05/1506:39 AM
Shhhs....we are all sworn to secrecy!
Read back through the thread....Jamie is collecting the parts and pieces to build them by the lot. Three months or so ago he said he would get the lot out in six months.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/09/1508:41 PM
According to the info given at the booth by his guys... They are having a mainshaft supplier issue. There weren't alot of specifics given out other than that. So, maybe a small bump in the road halting assembly???? Maybe Jamie will chime in? However, he is a very busy guy, and I don't expect an update with every issue he encounters... They just wind up causing more questions! Lol
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/21/1503:06 AM
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Hey 67vertman, how do you like the 4spd OD so far?
I see the 4 is 20%, where the 5 is 30%.
What rear gear are you running?
Hi H-Kid,
I really like the OD, with 4:10 gears, it cruises very nicely down the freeway. Even transition from each gear, with no lag or major drop in RPM. Mostly around town, you don't even use 4th gear. One thing I miss from the original geared trans is the lower 1 and 2 pull you get. But once the 5sp comes in I will have the best of both worlds.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/24/1512:20 AM
Originally Posted By 67vertman
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Hey 67vertman, how do you like the 4spd OD so far?
I see the 4 is 20%, where the 5 is 30%.
What rear gear are you running?
Hi H-Kid,
I really like the OD, with 4:10 gears, it cruises very nicely down the freeway. Even transition from each gear, with no lag or major drop in RPM. Mostly around town, you don't even use 4th gear. One thing I miss from the original geared trans is the lower 1 and 2 pull you get. But once the 5sp comes in I will have the best of both worlds.
I asked because I ordered the hemi 4spd OD on 9/11 of all dates to order something
Anyway I looked at the ratio's and 2nd (in the OD) is right in the middle between 2nd and 3rd in the factory stock 4spd. So another way of looking at it, it shifts 1st-2&1/2-4th-.80.
I'm running 3.54, so to me if the cars doing 70 the motors doing a little less than 55.
Asked about the trade-in on the 855 when the time comes and Jammie said (iirc but terribly paraphrased) we want beat you up on it, as long as you don't beat the crap out of it.
If it was 2 wks for you, then maybe this Friday. But I know he's a busy shop, & 1st come 1st serve.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/24/1505:20 AM
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Originally Posted By 67vertman
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Hey 67vertman, how do you like the 4spd OD so far?
I see the 4 is 20%, where the 5 is 30%.
What rear gear are you running?
Hi H-Kid,
I really like the OD, with 4:10 gears, it cruises very nicely down the freeway. Even transition from each gear, with no lag or major drop in RPM. Mostly around town, you don't even use 4th gear. One thing I miss from the original geared trans is the lower 1 and 2 pull you get. But once the 5sp comes in I will have the best of both worlds.
I asked because I ordered the hemi 4spd OD on 9/11 of all dates to order something
Anyway I looked at the ratio's and 2nd (in the OD) is right in the middle between 2nd and 3rd in the factory stock 4spd. So another way of looking at it, it shifts 1st-2&1/2-4th-.80.
I'm running 3.54, so to me if the cars doing 70 the motors doing a little less than 55.
Asked about the trade-in on the 855 when the time comes and Jammie said (iirc but terribly paraphrased) we want beat you up on it, as long as you don't beat the crap out of it.
If it was 2 wks for you, then maybe this Friday. But I know he's a busy shop, & 1st come 1st serve.
I am glad to hear that you ordered it. You will like it. I think you will be fine with the 3:54 as they are pretty stout on the street to. I like the drive ability of the gear spacing, it does take some getting used to as you are able to run longer in 2nd and 3rd then before. I think I am going to sell mine on the open market rather than trading it back in. Yes Jamie said that I could recoup most of the price on a trade-in, but I think I can do the same or better selling it myself.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/27/1502:14 PM
Originally Posted By 67vertman
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Originally Posted By 67vertman
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Hey 67vertman, how do you like the 4spd OD so far?
I see the 4 is 20%, where the 5 is 30%.
What rear gear are you running?
Hi H-Kid,
I really like the OD, with 4:10 gears, it cruises very nicely down the freeway. Even transition from each gear, with no lag or major drop in RPM. Mostly around town, you don't even use 4th gear. One thing I miss from the original geared trans is the lower 1 and 2 pull you get. But once the 5sp comes in I will have the best of both worlds.
I asked because I ordered the hemi 4spd OD on 9/11 of all dates to order something
Anyway I looked at the ratio's and 2nd (in the OD) is right in the middle between 2nd and 3rd in the factory stock 4spd. So another way of looking at it, it shifts 1st-2&1/2-4th-.80.
I'm running 3.54, so to me if the cars doing 70 the motors doing a little less than 55.
Asked about the trade-in on the 855 when the time comes and Jammie said (iirc but terribly paraphrased) we want beat you up on it, as long as you don't beat the crap out of it.
If it was 2 wks for you, then maybe this Friday. But I know he's a busy shop, & 1st come 1st serve.
I am glad to hear that you ordered it. You will like it. I think you will be fine with the 3:54 as they are pretty stout on the street to. I like the drive ability of the gear spacing, it does take some getting used to as you are able to run longer in 2nd and 3rd then before. I think I am going to sell mine on the open market rather than trading it back in. Yes Jamie said that I could recoup most of the price on a trade-in, but I think I can do the same or better selling it myself.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/07/1511:59 PM
I was talking to a friend about this trying to decide if I should wait for the Passon or cut for another brand. He said that I would need to get on a waiting list but that he is around number 280 on that list and from conversation with the owner believes that no units have shipped for quite a while and may not ship anytime soon due to lack of parts availability and problems securing supply.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/06/1505:01 PM
Yeah. Thats my thoughts also. Thou its a good product. And id love to have one. There is no way I could wait this many years for a tranny. That could possible never even show up. Depending how far down the list you are State of the art cars have been built from scratch ground up in this amount of time Why not retrofit a stick out of a new hellcat?? We have a stick hellcat. And iv beat the crap out of it and it shifts like butter. Other then some fitment issues. Id have no concerns at all on having one in my muscle cars.plus its a 6 speed....my.02....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/11/1509:18 AM
Originally Posted By toplescuda
Yeah. Thats my thoughts also. Thou its a good product. And id love to have one. There is no way I could wait this many years for a tranny. That could possible never even show up. Depending how far down the list you are State of the art cars have been built from scratch ground up in this amount of time Why not retrofit a stick out of a new hellcat?? We have a stick hellcat. And iv beat the crap out of it and it shifts like butter. Other then some fitment issues. Id have no concerns at all on having one in my muscle cars.plus its a 6 speed....my.02....
Again, that goes into the factor of cutting up your trans tunnel to install it which most people don't want to do; however, that's what I'm doing. I have a crate T56 Magnum with closed-ratio gears. It's the predecessor to the TR6060 found in the Challengers. It can handle 750 ft-lbs of torque so it should be perfect for my 3200+ lbs Dart with a 408 stroker.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/12/1505:21 AM
Ya, looks like cutting is in the cards for me too. Going to order an American Powertrain kit. Didn't want to cut the car but if I got on the Passon list now I won't live long enough to see one shipped to me. Especially with the fact that current production of A855s is in an indefinite holding pattern. A friend ordered and American Powertrain TKO600 kit for his Fury and we'll be installing it over Christmas so if it works as promised that's the route I'll go too. We really had hoped to get the A855 but neither of us can wait several more years for a tranny. We might be sorry if the guy that got us chasin' trannys eventually gets his Passon unit but at this point the only option is elsewhere.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/18/1511:04 PM
Well cuttint on the floor may not be such a bad thing now that you can buy a brand new floor pan or even a torsion bar crossmember if ever wanted to put back bone stock I really love the 6 speed in our cat. Not really sure just how big size wize that tranny is.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/28/1503:07 AM
Originally Posted By 67vertman
Originally Posted By thehemikid
Hey 67vertman, how do you like the 4spd OD so far?
I see the 4 is 20%, where the 5 is 30%.
What rear gear are you running?
Hi H-Kid,
I really like the OD, with 4:10 gears, it cruises very nicely down the freeway. Even transition from each gear, with no lag or major drop in RPM. Mostly around town, you don't even use 4th gear. One thing I miss from the original geared trans is the lower 1 and 2 pull you get. But once the 5sp comes in I will have the best of both worlds.
How tall is your rear tire and what RPM are you at 60 mph? I would love to have a 4 speed OD manual for my Duster, it is 500 inches so the gearing in 1st gear wouldn't be an issue. I'm thinking the full conversion from auto would be pricey though with pedals and shifter and everything.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/28/1507:55 PM
Originally Posted By mjb765
Starting to sound like that is the route to go.....I am hoping Jamie checks this thread once in a while and can update us.
For the record, I like Jamie, I like his track record, I like his customer service. And on this next point, I am only speaking my opinion and thinking out loud. I am not intending to start any rumors, as I know nothing about this topic other then the 15? pages posted here 382410.
Here goes, if Jamie wanted to back away from this 5 speed project, now would be the time. The time that has passed is obvious to everybody, nobody I think can argue he hasn't made a Herculean effort, and has actually made and delivered the fine promised product in limited quantities. But in lieu of tarnishing his fine reputation, as it is starting to seem to others, who feel the clock is ticking, and making other choices, which nobody can blame. Unless there is one single easy way to overcome the bottleneck on future production, I suggest Jamie to carefully consider returning exclusively to what earned him his proud reputation. A shame, but just sayin.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/30/1507:14 PM
Originally Posted By jcc
Originally Posted By mjb765
Starting to sound like that is the route to go.....I am hoping Jamie checks this thread once in a while and can update us.
For the record, I like Jamie, I like his track record, I like his customer service. And on this next point, I am only speaking my opinion and thinking out loud. I am not intending to start any rumors, as I know nothing about this topic other then the 15? pages posted here 382410.
Here goes, if Jamie wanted to back away from this 5 speed project, now would be the time. The time that has passed is obvious to everybody, nobody I think can argue he has made a Herculean effort, and has actually made and delivered the fine promised product in limited quantities. But in lieu of tarnishing his fine reputation, as it is starting to seem to others, who feel the clock is ticking, and making other choices, which nobody can blame. Unless there is one single easy way to overcome the bottleneck on future production, I suggest Jamie to carefully consider returning exclusively to what earned him his proud reputation. A shame, but just sayin.
John, Thanks for the "calm" approach to the situation. I figure I will give a status update. I have been away from the board for an extended period. For that I am sorry as unfortunately real life has been steering the ship for a little while. I have been through a family member having a stroke and being rendered needing assistance since June. This has taken a fair amount of time. I also just had another family member pass away about a month ago. Again, also requiring time to be spread between "real life" and business. For this I am sorry. It seems that there is never a good time for that kind of thing. I am not looking for sympathy. Just letting people know that we are human here too.
I totally understand that everyone is getting rather annoyed at the extended time this is taking. I assure you that no one is more frustrated about it than myself... How would you like to have 20 phone calls a day about a product that you can't sell yet? Its a CONSTANT reminder that you can't truly rest... EVER. The amount of production issues that have crept up here has made it crystal clear to me that this is why NO ONE has had the balls to try this. Whether it is a good or bad thing that we tried it is debatable. However, we are not looking back now. We are too far in to quit.
I want everyone to keep in mind, the product that forced our hand in even mentioning this way before I wanted to has still not come to market for a Chrysler product and the GM version has been reduced from 800 ft/lbs of torque capacity to 500 ft/lbs. If it was not for this unicorn, I would have not said anything for quite a while until we had things dialed in and rolling. As they say, "The best laid plans..." Anyway, Let no one lose sight that I am getting nothing by dragging this out, but MORE grey hair. We are in receipt of the final pieces that we need to resume production of transmissions. We will be QC'ing these pieces and building several units for testing. As long as these function properly, we will begin production.
I'll say it again (even though it falls on deaf ears) THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL HAVE 487 TRANSMISSIONS BUILT NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!! It also means that I can't tell everyone exactly when their unit will be built just yet so PLEASE do not flood me with those questions just yet. It means that the units will be tested and then disassembled and inspected and we will go from there. I realize that we lose customers daily, but I am committed to following the project through. Once the bag log is filled, we will stock the units in all configurations. I will attempt to post some photos an another post to show that I am not full of crap and we actually are doing stuff. Not sure how it will go due to file size limits. I will try though. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/31/1512:40 AM
Originally Posted By JamiePasson
Originally Posted By jcc
Originally Posted By mjb765
Starting to sound like that is the route to go.....I am hoping Jamie checks this thread once in a while and can update us.
For the record, I like Jamie, I like his track record, I like his customer service. And on this next point, I am only speaking my opinion and thinking out loud. I am not intending to start any rumors, as I know nothing about this topic other then the 15? pages posted here 382410.
Here goes, if Jamie wanted to back away from this 5 speed project, now would be the time. The time that has passed is obvious to everybody, nobody I think can argue he has made a Herculean effort, and has actually made and delivered the fine promised product in limited quantities. But in lieu of tarnishing his fine reputation, as it is starting to seem to others, who feel the clock is ticking, and making other choices, which nobody can blame. Unless there is one single easy way to overcome the bottleneck on future production, I suggest Jamie to carefully consider returning exclusively to what earned him his proud reputation. A shame, but just sayin.
John, Thanks for the "calm" approach to the situation. I figure I will give a status update. I have been away from the board for an extended period. For that I am sorry as unfortunately real life has been steering the ship for a little while. I have been through a family member having a stroke and being rendered needing assistance since June. This has taken a fair amount of time. I also just had another family member pass away about a month ago. Again, also requiring time to be spread between "real life" and business. For this I am sorry. It seems that there is never a good time for that kind of thing.
I totally understand that everyone is getting rather annoyed at the extended time this is taking. I assure you that no one is more frustrated about it than myself... How would you like to have 20 phone calls a day about a product that you can't sell yet? Its a CONSTANT reminder that you can't truly rest... EVER. The amount of production issues that have crept up here has made it crystal clear to me that this is why NO ONE has had the balls to try this. Whether it is a good or bad thing that we tried it is debatable. However, we are not looking back now. We are too far in to quit.
I want everyone to keep in mind, the product that forced our hand in even mentioning this way before I wanted to has still not come to market for a Chrysler product and the GM version has been reduced from 800 ft/lbs of torque capacity to 500 ft/lbs. If it was not for this unicorn, I would have not said anything for quite a while until we had things dialed in and rolling. As they say, "The best laid plans..." Anyway, Let no one lose sight that I am getting nothing by dragging this out, but MORE grey hair. We are in receipt of the final pieces that we need to resume production of transmissions. We will be QC'ing these pieces and building several units for testing. As long as these function properly, we will begin production.
I'll say it again (even though it falls on deaf ears) THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL HAVE 487 TRANSMISSIONS BUILT NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!! It also, means that I can't tell everyone exactly when their unit will be built just yet so PLEASE do not flood me with those questions just yet. It means that the units will be tested and then disassembled and inspected and we will go from there. I realize that we lose customers daily, but I am committed to following the project through. Once the bag log is filled, we will stock the units in all configurations. I will attempt to post some photos an another post to show that I am not full of crap and we actually are doing stuff. Not sure how it will go due to file size limits. I will try though. Jamie
Jamie, Thanks for the update. Sorry to here about the loss in your family.
I for one will wait until the "cows come home" for my 5 sp. And I applaud you for the Herculean effort to get this project off the ground and sticking with it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/31/1509:05 AM
Thanks for the update Jamie. Also sorry for your loss and family health issues. I also want to thank you for sticking with this project through the countless trials and standing by your commitments to your highest quality standards. I am another who plàns to wait until my tranny is ready even if it is until the cows come home:-) The wait is frustrating but I am 100% confident that the product I receive will be worth the wait.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/31/1503:27 PM
delivering a half ass product would be worse in the long run. yes there are a lot of impatient people, yes they suck, keep the course. people forget that these are complex mechanisms designed by teams of engineers, and tested by teams of support people, and assembled by teams of mechanics, made by companies with huge budgets. if only that was the case and mopar faithful were faithful and understanding. yes people are getting older and yes they want to drive their cars, slap the 4spd back in, put some 3.23 gears in temporarily and drive the car.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/01/1604:18 AM
I hope the "calm" comment was sincere, I am in your corner. Posting the pics you did was a smart move for this situation, and makes your case of full (5?) speed ahead. Sorry about your personal tribulations. I don't want to distract you further.
PS I corrected an omission on my part about the Herculean effort comment, not sure if anybody caught, or took it wrong, but I did correct it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/01/1602:37 PM
So, see this isn't a web of lies. As you all can see that there is extensive inventory in process. I assure you all that we are doing the best that we can. Happy New Year to all
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/01/1606:33 PM
I for one appreciate that you still keep us updated about this jamie! The only problem for us canadians who wanted one, now have to wait longer as our dollar is doing so s***ty right now
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/03/1601:35 AM
Jamie: This is probably a little premature, but at some point, will there be an option for different O/D ratio's? Running the numbers, a .85 O/D would make a great bolt in for my drag car. I can just have Liberty do their thing with the gears and sliders. Still has to be cheaper than a G Force or Equalizer.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/03/1611:50 AM
Originally Posted By toplescuda
A small assembly line of a few people over a weekend would knock the crap of that inventory of parts you have
He's made it clear that he doesn't want just anybody throwing these transmissions together. If you're spending that kind of money to get one, I'm sure you'll appreciate that. And like he said also, he's qc'ing parts so likely doesn't have all necessary parts or they haven't been approved by him.
Jamie stands by his stuff no matter what weird things may happen with them. And that's tough to do when you make or rebuild a product then are relying on us installing them ourselves when we could do a ton of things wrong on our part. He stood behind a transmission that did some weird, unidentifiable problems. He's answered the phone and help me with the rebuild of mine back when I was a teenager with a million questions. By the time I have the extra dough to buy a 5 speed, I'm sure they'll be in stock. once I get my new combo together, I love the fact that I'll be able to switch out the hemi 4 speed to a 5 speed in a few hours.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/04/1612:04 AM
There will likely not be other OD options. I'm not quite sure that people are aware of just what it takes to make a ratio change like that. At minimum a different cluster gear and speed gear. Possibly an input then too. This translates into probably $6000-$8000 in tooling... That just does not make sense for us to do. Besides, if we did do another OD ratio it would certainly be a deeper overdrive not less of one.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/05/1606:38 PM
So your saying. Jamie. Dont know a 5-6 people that he trust to make up a short assembly line? I know a few people that was wanting a new tranny. But called and was told there on back order (waiting list) and went else where. And they have never even heard of moparts. Or this thread Were not talking about a few weeks. Or even 6 monthes here lol this thread is over 5 years old
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/05/1609:10 PM
As a person with one of the other 5 speeds in my B body I can tell you I will patiently wait for one of Jamie's Boxes. Especially since the car it will go into is an E body. Great Pictures Jamie got all my nickels and dimes saved up.
Brad
67 Barracuda 440/727 70 Road Runner 440/5 speed 70 Cuda 440/soon to be 5 speed
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/09/1612:43 AM
Jamie,
Very sorry to hear of the family issues. Prayers coming your way from the Fast family.
Thanks for the update. My eggs are in your A855 basket, and I for one, appreciate the care your team is taking to bring a quality product to market. I'm impressed with the parts inventory!!!
If you need a '71 b-body as a BETA test bed give me a holler. I'm getting ready to get the beast on the road this early spring.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/09/1608:22 AM
Anyone doing manufacturing knows, regardless of payment terms with suppliers (net 30, 60, 90 days) that the inventory pictures Jamie posted cost MONEY. Every day those sit not being built into a product that can be sold cost MONEY.
Jamie-I saw your transmission on Friday morning at Mopar Nationals 2014. I'm hoping by the time I need one, the car will at least have a paint job and your backlog will be all caught up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/12/1602:52 AM
Jamie: Sorry to hear of the family issues I appreciate the update and am patiently waiting for the trans (at least trying to be patient) Keep up the hard work and it will pay off in the end!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/20/1602:32 AM
Just got the call last week my e body 555 is ready to be built. I don't remember what # I was on the list. Anyway someone just moved up one position on the list as I just can't swing the $ 5 g's right now for my toy. I did ask to be placed back into the rotation on the list and Jamie said no problem.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/08/1610:26 PM
I am pleased to announce that things are FINALLY moving in the right direction. Customers will receive their A855 with shifter and linkage on and adjusted. See pic below. Some people have been contacted for deposits already. We are going done the list now notifying people.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/10/1601:22 AM
Great news Jamie...I know mine is still a ways off but I am excited. Might be the only time in my life I will be excited to have someone ask me for a deposit lol.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/10/1612:30 PM
I didnt get one of those fancy tranny cradles , mine came on a piece of carpet or cardboard Or sumthin in the back of a pickup . i want my money back ! Is that the new shipping method ? Maybe that guy who keeps wanting to do an assembly line tranny build with 4-5 guys can buzz those together for you .. Those shipping cradles were the hold up ?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/11/1602:55 AM
It's good that after all these years. Some are getting out the door If I was to spend money on a new stick tranny. It would be the 6 speed like in our hellcat After seeing vid of a M6 (6 speed) cat put 1021 hp to the back wheels There is no doubt that it would Handel anything I will throw at it And it has a extra gear
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/12/1607:49 AM
Trans is 4795ish last time I looked, everything comes with it to install this trans in a manual car already (shifter/linkage). If you are converting an auto, you can still source the parts but they are not part of the regular kit. Tim
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/12/1607:39 PM
Originally Posted By Grizzly69
So...The cost of the entire set up to convert a 69 B body With a 472 Hemi from an automatic is how much ?
Call the guy. Hes good at answering the phone. Or send an email directly to him. He's pretty busy and doesn't get on here everyday to check this thread. There isn't just one set price as you can pick multiple options when doing a conversion.
The coversion kits I saw there were for the four speed transmissions... About $4000 trans and all.
So...in the five plus years this thread has been running, has anybody here actually completed a conversion from an automatic on a 69 B body?
Is everything available from one source (Passon)?
that's the whole point of this transmission, that it is a 100% bolt in replacement for an A833. so every single piece you need to do a conversion will be the same regardless of whether you using a stock A833 or jamie's new A855.
i haven't checked his site, but i'm sure he has a kit for all the parts minus the trans. if not, just email or ask him.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/15/1603:37 PM
Andy, The shipping cage was not the holdup. That is a result of bringing some truly visionary eyes to the table and some seriously skilled fabrication people to design and build a better mouse trap.
All: The transmission package includes the following: Transmission Shifter mechanism Shifter linkage Shifter mount plate Longer Speedometer Cable
Cost is $4995.00 This will fit into an existing factory 3 or 4 speed floor shift 67-Up A Body, '62-74 B Body /70-74 E Body car with NO MODS. It will fit'63-66 A Bodies with a floor dimple for speedo cable clearance. This need for a dimple will be remedied soon.
We do not advertise a complete changeover kit because there are too many variables such as including carpet or not, console or not, different year A/B/E Bodies take different parts. Just these three variations can cause a $1000+ difference. So it makes no sense to advertise a kit at a certain price. Ultimately, there will be an angry customer because his kit costs more than the advertised price. (even though there are a bunch of changes) Hopefully people understand that. I am always happy to work up an individual price for a complete conversion kit from auto to stick. Jamie
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/07/1612:21 AM
I do not know the number where the bottom of the list is, but for those on it at around 200ish according to my conversation of roughly a month ago with Jamie,...it would be ~ another 8 month getting to me. Now maybe 7.
Thinking out load here: I may stick with my Passon Hemi 4spd/OD (20% OD) when the time comes, and whoever's behind me would move up a notch. Not sure of staying in the game for the extra gear & 10% more OD at the current unit price.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/16/1604:30 PM
I am a fortunate observer to this exciting and well-needed product for Mopar folks. I currently run Passon's Over Drive gear set in my V-code 70 RR and very impressed with the feel and performance. The Over Drive is a great improvement for Mopar shifting, however, wait till you see the ease of installation and feel the performance of the new A-855!! I have had many opportunities to observe the professional and detail oriented folks who are installing and testing the new bolt-in A-855 5 speed. I have also been fortunate to provide feedback after test-driving these 5-speeds that have been powered by R.B.'s 528 (650hp) Hemi and 440 powered cars. I am here to tell you that the wait WILL be worth it! First off, Passon's goals are deep rooted and he clearly shows an internal drive to get-it-right . Customer satisfaction is always embedded in the conversations! Passon is a detail-oriented guy and has been very smart in collaborating with other professionals to make this a lasting success story. From Passon's initial idea for a 5-speed to the final product shipped, you will be impressed beyond words. If you’re into bulletproof shifting or saving wear and tear on your steet/highway driven Mopar......check the A-855 out. Having the extra gear actually excites and encourages a person to get out and drive. Driving our Mopars is what it's all about!! Isn't it?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/19/1601:08 AM
6 speed would be great if you didn't have to spend time cutting and fabricating a new floor hump which takes quite a bit of time and skill. Plus the cost of the Trans itself.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/21/1605:06 AM
Rub it in...rub it in. No,seriously, thanks for the photo. It is great to see these gems in the hands of customers. I'll continue to wait patiently. Anyone else have news they want to rub in:-)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/21/1604:05 PM
slimfish writes: "Has anybody heard what has caused the production halt on the A855 this time and/or an estimated time to get things underway?" Really.....Where did this info come from??? As I have mentioned in previous info, the A-855 is well on it's way with a serious forward pace.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/21/1604:44 PM
Originally Posted By steve817
slimfish writes: "Has anybody heard what has caused the production halt on the A855 this time and/or an estimated time to get things underway?" Really.....Where did this info come from??? As I have mentioned in previous info, the A-855 is well on it's way with a serious forward pace.
Well, actually that was a legit question.... If you've been around since the conception of this trans, then you KNOW, that there have been many bumps in the road and halts to production. Just a testament to Jamie's resolve. IMO. I try to keep in the loop either by reading here or talking to Jamie myself, and things seem on the upswing! I too, am patiently waiting.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/21/1611:31 PM
Originally Posted By 64Barracuda
Hey Old School, What will be your choice in clutches to hook those beauties up?
I have been using Mcleod street twin clutches, for the last 20 years. it is the only clutch that will hold up to the power, or have any chance of lasting. I have a couple of them that are over 15 years old, with nothing done to them...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/22/1605:24 AM
Originally Posted By ewolfe
Anyone willing to reveal what number we're up to?
I am 42 or 43, but was told the 71+ bench seat variant was taking extra time. I don't want to call and bug Jamie, but I am curious where we are.
I am 244 on the list...a long way away. Last time a talked to Jamie he said that he is not building them per the sign-up list per say, he is building e bodies ones first and variations (bench seat, B-bodies will come later) so the numbers maybe out of order.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/22/1608:26 PM
Originally Posted By steve817
Passon's goals are deep rooted and he clearly shows an internal drive to get-it-right . Customer satisfaction is always embedded in the conversations! Passon is a detail-oriented guy and has been very smart in collaborating with other professionals to make this a lasting success story.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/22/1609:09 PM
Originally Posted By steve817
Passon's goals are deep rooted and he clearly shows an internal drive to get-it-right . Customer satisfaction is always embedded in the conversations! Passon is a detail-oriented guy and has been very smart in collaborating with other professionals to make this a lasting success story.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/23/1602:45 AM
Originally Posted By Slimfish
Originally Posted By Old School
Originally Posted By Slimfish
Has anybody heard what has caused the production halt on the A855 this time and/or an estimated time to get things underway?
I don't think there is a production halt I just received two of them....
Please let us know when you get them installed and how they work for you. Do you know what list number you were?
Put one in, and drove the car about 50 miles today. All I can say is WOW!! First, it just slid in, just like it was a regular 833. It was like it was made for the car. Everything bolted up perfectly.
Driving impression:
So so smooth. No vibration. No noise. Shifts like a dream! Throws are nice and short. Shifts much nicer than any 833 I have ever shifted. And the overdrive! It makes it like a totally different car. The way it was before, I would drive about 2 hours, and be done. The noise and vibration just wore me out. I would be at 3000 rpm,s, just to cruise at 60 mph. That gets old quick. Now, about 1900-2000 rpm,s, at 60.
In my application, i think in time it might pay for itself. Less $9.00 gal race gas. Easier on my motor, especially valve springs.
After I get it broke-in, I will start to lean on it. I will report back then. Cant wait for the other cars to get theirs! I'm sure I will be driving my cars a lot more now....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/02/1608:11 PM
Nice Old School!!! Can you share what your engine/trans combo is? Also, it looks like you are using the fork for the throwout bearing. Did you consider any hydraulic setup? Lastly, what header brand are you running and do you have power steering?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/03/1610:28 PM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
Nice Old School!!! Can you share what your engine/trans combo is? Also, it looks like you are using the fork for the throwout bearing. Did you consider any hydraulic setup? Lastly, what header brand are you running and do you have power steering?
Oh yeah....what number on the list were you??
Thanks.
.
It has a 720 horsepower 500 inch motor. It does have power steering. the headers are 2-inch tti step headers. I never considered a hydraulic clutch. I like the way the mechanical linkage feels. I don't know the number on the list but I've been on it for almost 4 years.....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/14/1606:20 AM
Originally Posted By Slimfish
Old School, how are your's working? Are they staying in gear?
mine are doing great! one of them has fell out of 4th gear 3 times. I have about 400 miles on mine. it seemed to only do it when it was cold.
I think mine is a shifter adjustment. when in 4th, my shifter is a little more forward than the other one. when I adjust it, I will post back. I'm pretty sure that's what mine is.....
with some miles on them, they are very smooth and very quiet. cant wait for a couple more!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/14/1607:55 AM
Yikes. On my regular 23 spline 4 speed that came with my car it would jump out of gear when slowing down in that certain gear. Is that how it is for you all or is it when you're on the gas or just cruising or? Dart sportsatellite does it happen in a certain gear or? Hopefully it's just fine tuning of the linkage and nothing inside the gearbox.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/14/1605:10 PM
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Yikes. On my regular 23 spline 4 speed that came with my car it would jump out of gear when slowing down in that certain gear. Is that how it is for you all or is it when you're on the gas or just cruising or?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/15/1601:21 AM
Originally Posted By minivan
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Yikes. On my regular 23 spline 4 speed that came with my car it would jump out of gear when slowing down in that certain gear. Is that how it is for you all or is it when you're on the gas or just cruising or?
Your transmission is worn out....
Lol, I know. I rebuilt it after it started doing that. Now I replaced it with a hemi 4 speed. I was just asking the people that have these how/when it was popping out of gear.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/16/1601:03 AM
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Originally Posted By minivan
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Yikes. On my regular 23 spline 4 speed that came with my car it would jump out of gear when slowing down in that certain gear. Is that how it is for you all or is it when you're on the gas or just cruising or?
Your transmission is worn out....
Lol, I know. I rebuilt it after it started doing that. Now I replaced it with a hemi 4 speed. I was just asking the people that have these how/when it was popping out of gear.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/19/1601:46 AM
The teeth that engage the slider to the gear are shot on the leeward side...
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Originally Posted By minivan
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Yikes. On my regular 23 spline 4 speed that came with my car it would jump out of gear when slowing down in that certain gear. Is that how it is for you all or is it when you're on the gas or just cruising or?
Your transmission is worn out....
Lol, I know. I rebuilt it after it started doing that. Now I replaced it with a hemi 4 speed. I was just asking the people that have these how/when it was popping out of gear.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/23/1608:10 PM
Originally Posted By 68KillerBee
Yikes. On my regular 23 spline 4 speed that came with my car it would jump out of gear when slowing down in that certain gear. Is that how it is for you all or is it when you're on the gas or just cruising or? Dart sportsatellite does it happen in a certain gear or? Hopefully it's just fine tuning of the linkage and nothing inside the gearbox.
Nope, not fine tuning, falls out of gear while cruising, and mine's not the only one, I'm the only one sharing the info though.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/23/1609:48 PM
Well I have almost 5000 miles on the transmission, I did have it pop out of 1st gear twice going down a grade, and a few times out of 5th. The 5th gear issue turned out to be a driveshaft issue, pinion angle was off a couple of degrees. The car is heavy, 4100 lbs, 572 hemi, 735 HP, 717 T, 4:30 dana 60, 30" rear tires. I think the transmission is great, just sayin
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/24/1602:53 PM
The production halt must be a result of the popping out of gear problem. Wonder if it has to do with parts quality again? Sure wish he could get a little luck going his way and get the issues behind and into full production to supply the waiting Mopar customers.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/27/1610:59 PM
I would love one of these but deep in the back of my mind I feel if I do get one something will go wrong with it and it will end up as $5000 door stop.....I would feel much safer with the Passon 4 speed over drive and it can be purchased without any waiting period.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/28/1608:27 AM
Originally Posted By 572hemi
Well I have almost 5000 miles on the transmission, I did have it pop out of 1st gear twice going down a grade, and a few times out of 5th. The 5th gear issue turned out to be a driveshaft issue, pinion angle was off a couple of degrees. The car is heavy, 4100 lbs, 572 hemi, 735 HP, 717 T, 4:30 dana 60, 30" rear tires. I think the transmission is great, just sayin
Thanks 572Hemi for all the times you've posted on the performance of your 855. Even though you haven't posted much, please continue to do so. Hopefully every 1000 miles.
Your a rolling test bed and an extra gauge for me to watch.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/01/1609:51 PM
I am afraid to drop 5K on a tranny that intermittently drops out of gear...I don't see how pinion angle can cause a gear to just pop out...the physics is not there in my feeble mind...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/01/1610:45 PM
Wrong pinion angle causes driveshaft vibration, that will cause the trans to fall out of gear on a slight down grade where there is little pressure on the gears. My car is far from a stock deal, a lot higher springs on the rear than stock, hence the pinion angle problem. As I said before I have about 5000 miles on the 855 and it works great. Also I very much doubt you could ever get a better guy than Jamie to work with. Just Sayin, and I had a new 67 GTX when I was 20 years old, so have been around the block a couple of times
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/12/1603:25 AM
1st gear is for pansies. 1000 miles and mine is pretty smooth still. Rolling burnouts . 1st gear launches on the redlines and sticky street tires . I keep my hand on my shifter though, not on my ... Im sure if theres a problem he will get down to a fix .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/16/1604:24 PM
Emailed Passon about a month ago inquiring about list/order status. Never heard back from them. I got on the list three (3) years ago at the 2013 Nats. Jamie's dad was a real nice guy to talk to. Still hopin' my spot of 200 on the list isn't too far off.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/29/1611:35 PM
Originally Posted By 64Barracuda
Can someone swing by Jamie's booth at Carlisle and get us an update on the A855?
I guess no one went past the Passon booth at Carlisle....how about the Nats? Can someone swing by and get an update on the status of the A855 for us at the Nats?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/30/1605:41 AM
I got on the list two years ago-and was told it will be another 10 months to a year until I get my unit, when at their booth at Carlisle. This was from one of their team at the booth-not from Jamie directly.
Doesn't bother me, as I placed my order expecting it would be take a long time.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/30/1610:55 PM
I was slated to get mine in June, but the 1st gear issues have delayed that. I am 187 and I have a Ebody. I will be going to the NATS and I WILL talk to Jamie personally. If no one reports back before me I'll have some info to provide.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/02/1610:44 PM
Hello Jamie i was 2nd or 3rd on the $ 5295.00 list but my computer crashed and i lost all my info . Am i still on you waiting list for the higher price ? , thanks Barrelhouse.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/15/1601:25 PM
I spoke with Jamie at the NATS... Again they are dealing with another bump in the road. I'll let him give the specifics if he wants to go that deep again, but they have a solution and it's in process. You can tell Jamie is really worn down with this project, but he still pushes on. I encouraged him he's doing us a great service and to keep pushing through. I am one who's not pressed to receive my unit, but I do look forward to getting it! Hope this helps.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/15/1606:48 PM
I am #30 on the list and still dont have my trans..............sucks....can you pm me the info on the newest bump in the road so I dont have to call jamie again? whenever I speak to him he does sound burnt out and Id rather not bother him again..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/15/1607:27 PM
Yes, more info would be helpful. I called to inquire about the feasibility of getting on the list and was told about a future price increase, that they had encountered an issue that they are working on and that no expected lead time could be provided. I asked for some more detail but he stated that he'd prefer not to provide detail at this time. He seemed really frustrated but I don't understand why the secrecy about issues. It would seem transparency would reduce rumors and negative speculation. I wanted to order one of his five speeds a while back but got no info so started down the Tremec path. Then I changed my mind on the Tremec and wanted to go back with the Passon plan. Now maybe back to plan B2 will be best.....?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/17/1609:06 PM
Soon this thread will be 6 years old... No possible way I could wait that long I could see how some can wait if they are not building a new project and will throw the tranny into what ever they have at the time Can also see how frustrating it would be if building a project and wanting to incorporate the new tranny into the build Hopefully things will work out for him
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/13/1608:03 PM
Guys as I said, Jamie is a huge asset for us in the Mopar community. Many people would have pulled up camp and bailed, this speaks volumes of Jamie's resolve and character. He keeps meeting challenges and pushing through! Keep up the good work, Jamie. Here are some pics of the 5 speed that showed up today. Be patient, cause they are coming.....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/14/1611:55 AM
I talked to Jamie today, transmissions are shipping. He is very busy putting out a quality product and does not have time to come on here. If you have questions regarding your order or lead times on product call him. Please understand how difficult it is to produce a quality product like this so be patient. I know that's asking a lot but try. This is not Wal Mart so quit whining like a child.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/15/1603:58 AM
They have new sliders that have been tested and approved. Based on Jamie's standards.... these will be just fine. I'm really impressed that they're taking the time to test these units before shipping!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/15/1607:47 PM
Are you referring to previously shipped transmissions??? If you own a trans that is prior to new design sliders, then I get your frustration. I can't see Jamie not making it right with you??? My dealings with him have been nothing but positive, and I've had previous product issues. However the most recently shipped transmissions should have the issue resolved..... they were even tested off site. The one I have won't be in use til spring most likely, so my reporting will be delayed. As I have stated before I stand behind Jamie, he's been nothing but arrow straight and honest, even when it wasn't in his best interest at the beginning.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/16/1603:31 AM
Yes mine was one of the early ones. It jumps out of 4th gear. I know he will make it right also. I also know he is a super busy guy. So I have not bothered him with mine yet. I have another one that is perfect!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/16/1602:08 PM
Keep your hand off your pud and on the shifter
Beat the snot out if it after break in and get it updated later. Go buy a new hellcat with a tremec if you cant deal with hot rodding and trial and error
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/16/1606:22 PM
Originally Posted By sogtx
Keep your hand off your pud and on the shifter
Beat the snot out if it after break in and get it updated later. Go buy a new hellcat with a tremec if you cant deal with hot rodding and trial and error
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/16/1611:44 PM
Originally Posted By Tom_Quad
Originally Posted By RROD
Have the issues with tranny popping out of gear been fixed?
Really??? Quality of product is #1 on Jamies list whether it's a 4 speed rebuild or new 5 speed.
Simple math...if transmissions are shipping - production issues have been resolved.
Yes really! If I,m spending that type of money and the product had a previous problem then I want to know if it has been fixed and how. You guys my know him personally or through past dealings and is a great guy. I do not have such experience. Part of doing business. Nothing personal. Hope it has been permanently fixed because I want one in the near future.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/17/1602:13 AM
After talking to Jamie and hearing his take, I'm confident they're fixed. Like I said, they've even been tested. If I understand correctly, the new part was tested, as is the trans assembly. Now, wanting one in the near future might be your obstacle if you're not on the list presently....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/18/1605:56 PM
I am 244 on the list, and I have been on it for 4/5 years, I would have to check my emails to be sure. I am glad he has started production up again. Hopefully I will get mine soon.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/21/1611:47 AM
Originally Posted By RROD
I've been on the list for over two years. Do not know what my number is. I should email him to see how far or close I am from getting a call.
I think you should buy some other transmission as we must all be paid shills for Jamie - like those on here that used to defend the tremec snake charmers from Tennessee whose product really did suck. What is it that you require to understand about quality and above all the integrity of this company?? Do I need to define integrity for you from the dictionary?? What kind of assurance do you require above the company standing behind it's product 100%?
You have no clue here as to what this endeavor takes and I find your and a few others attitudes to be simply disrespectful and rude. Go away.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/25/1604:55 AM
Originally Posted By Tom_Quad
Originally Posted By RROD
I've been on the list for over two years. Do not know what my number is. I should email him to see how far or close I am from getting a call.
I think you should buy some other transmission as we must all be paid shills for Jamie - like those on here that used to defend the tremec snake charmers from Tennessee whose product really did suck. What is it that you require to understand about quality and above all the integrity of this company?? Do I need to define integrity for you from the dictionary?? What kind of assurance do you require above the company standing behind it's product 100%?
You have no clue here as to what this endeavor takes and I find your and a few others attitudes to be simply disrespectful and rude. Go away.
Hey Tom_Quad. Are you reading my post correctly? I simply stated I've been on the list for over two years. Actually three! I stated I should call or email to find out my number in line. What the heck do that have with me not having a clue to the endeavor or being disrespectful to Jamie? I have no idea what my number is (did not want to bother him) Seems everyone else knows their number. How is that being disrespectful? I don't need the definition of quality or integrity. I've being doing and living it all my life. Maybe you need reading comprehension. I find your post off base and rude. Go away!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/25/1605:59 PM
Originally Posted By RROD
Originally Posted By Tom_Quad
Originally Posted By RROD
I've been on the list for over two years. Do not know what my number is. I should email him to see how far or close I am from getting a call.
I think you should buy some other transmission as we must all be paid shills for Jamie - like those on here that used to defend the tremec snake charmers from Tennessee whose product really did suck. What is it that you require to understand about quality and above all the integrity of this company?? Do I need to define integrity for you from the dictionary?? What kind of assurance do you require above the company standing behind it's product 100%?
You have no clue here as to what this endeavor takes and I find your and a few others attitudes to be simply disrespectful and rude. Go away.
Hey Tom_Quad. Are you reading my post correctly? I simply stated I've been on the list for over two years. Actually three! I stated I should call or email to find out my number in line. What the heck do that have with me not having a clue to the endeavor or being disrespectful to Jamie? I have no idea what my number is (did not want to bother him) Seems everyone else knows their number. How is that being disrespectful? I don't need the definition of quality or integrity. I've being doing and living it all my life. Maybe you need reading comprehension. I find your post off base and rude. Go away!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/07/1609:27 PM
Im new to this list, but I have been on Passon's list since January of 2014. Have no idea as to what number I have, but Jamie told me a couple of months ago that I am about one year away from receiving notice of my availability. Who knows. May go A-518 or the Tremec 5-speed. We'll see when my little Dart is ready.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/08/1603:34 AM
Originally Posted By RROD
Originally Posted By Tom_Quad
Originally Posted By RROD
I've been on the list for over two years. Do not know what my number is. I should email him to see how far or close I am from getting a call.
I think you should buy some other transmission as we must all be paid shills for Jamie - like those on here that used to defend the tremec snake charmers from Tennessee whose product really did suck. What is it that you require to understand about quality and above all the integrity of this company?? Do I need to define integrity for you from the dictionary?? What kind of assurance do you require above the company standing behind it's product 100%?
You have no clue here as to what this endeavor takes and I find your and a few others attitudes to be simply disrespectful and rude. Go away.
Hey Tom_Quad. Are you reading my post correctly? I simply stated I've been on the list for over two years. Actually three! I stated I should call or email to find out my number in line. What the heck do that have with me not having a clue to the endeavor or being disrespectful to Jamie? I have no idea what my number is (did not want to bother him) Seems everyone else knows their number. How is that being disrespectful? I don't need the definition of quality or integrity. I've being doing and living it all my life. Maybe you need reading comprehension. I find your post off base and rude. Go away!
I really don't see where you did anything wrong either....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/1610:22 PM
Has anyone tried to contact Jamie recently. No response to my e-mails and his web site is being rejected when I try to access it (Security certificate not valid)or web site not found???????????
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/10/1612:55 AM
If I could get into the web site, I'd find the phone number to call him!! I simply wanted to confirm which of the 2 plugs on the bottom of the tranny is the drain plug. Does anyone Know??
Here is a new 6 speed kit from American PowerTrain which looks different from the generic one they sold me 2 years ago.
It looks pretty complete just add your Quicktime bellhousing for Big block or smallblock/Gen III. For automatic swaps they sell the clutch pedal conversion as well. Hopefully they fixed their White Lightning shifter as the early versions were crap and leaked constantly.
American Powertrain also has pretty good customer service. As always there were a few issues in any custom install but I was was happy to deal with them.
No reason why to wait around now, The T56 Magnum is a proven transmission. Thousands of miles, track days and mine has never skipped a beat. If I ever do break it, I simply make a call, fork over 3 grand and get another one in matter of days.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/25/1608:13 PM
We put one of those in a friends Fury just about a year ago because he gave up on waiting for the Passon tranny. It seems to be working well. The tunnel mod was the biggest issue. Looks like this is becoming the only option for the foreseeable future.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/27/1606:10 PM
I've held off on replying to this thread for a while now. I've been on the list since 2011. I am supposed to be 88 or 89 I don't remember now. I have not received any calls, emails, nothing. I'm heavily leaning towards possibly a 6 speed or at least a TKO 5 speed because of this.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/27/1610:05 PM
Wow that is pretty cool how they made an offset portion to make it fit into the stock location and console of original 4 speed cars! I personally would not like all the extra parts and wonder how it would change the shift feel compared to direct into the trans?
It seems like these companies really did some research in order to make things more affordable as I had to pay a bunch of custom work in order to make my T56 Magnum fit properly
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/28/1607:50 AM
Originally Posted By rck850
I've held off on replying to this thread for a while now. I've been on the list since 2011. I am supposed to be 88 or 89 I don't remember now. I have not received any calls, emails, nothing. I'm heavily leaning towards possibly a 6 speed or at least a TKO 5 speed because of this.
So your saying that you have been on the list for 5 years and was only #89. And still don't have a tranny?? That's just crazy
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/30/1604:17 PM
I talked to a friend in our club who claims he's in the low 40s on the list. He's still waiting for notification. But, he did add that his car is an A-body.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/17/1612:51 AM
Originally Posted By Sixgun
Houston....we HAVE a tracking number....E body large retainer. The beat goes on.... I'll make a full report as things develop, film at 11.
Can we(I) ask a couple questions? What number were you on the list? And if you have a tracking number, I a assuming to already paid? How long ago did you pay your deposit?
The answers may give us who are still waiting a clue as to the process.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/21/1612:52 AM
Sorry, off the radar for a few days...I'm not on too much anymore, personal reasons. I was indeed #48, and I completed my down payment earlier this year, paid in full a couple of weeks ago.There were some slider issues that I had to wait to get resolved, and I was OK with that.All reports I have heard say this is the one you want. I am no engineer, but the BEST 18 spline boxes I have had (many many 4 speed 440 cars)all rattled even with new bearings, and are a bit noisy at highway speed.They shift pretty good, but still clash if I yank 'em too fast. The rollerized/tapered timken bearing stuff in the 855,the aluminum cases, the o-ring seals, the revised shifter arrangement all sound VERY promising. Hope this is informative.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/21/1609:19 PM
Originally Posted By Sixgun
Sorry, off the radar for a few days...I'm not on too much anymore, personal reasons. I was indeed #48, and I completed my down payment earlier this year, paid in full a couple of weeks ago.There were some slider issues that I had to wait to get resolved, and I was OK with that.All reports I have heard say this is the one you want. I am no engineer, but the BEST 18 spline boxes I have had (many many 4 speed 440 cars)all rattled even with new bearings, and are a bit noisy at highway speed.They shift pretty good, but still clash if I yank 'em too fast. The rollerized/tapered timken bearing stuff in the 855,the aluminum cases, the o-ring seals, the revised shifter arrangement all sound VERY promising. Hope this is informative.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/22/1605:00 PM
Hello Everyone, Let me try to address some issues I saw questions on.
First, Our website and Email server was down for an entire week for a server migration that was supposed to take an hour. I'm not a techie so I didn't have control over that. Regarding the list. There is no possible way to go in the exact order of the list. Due to variations in configurations, it isn't possible. PLEASE keep that in mind.
Second, If anyone has questions, call or email me to conform place on the list. I have always allowed this.
Third, The last year of life has been without a doubt the most challenging on every front for me. This is why I have not been on this board in a long time. Quite honestly, other things have taken priority over this board. Some of you cannot accept that and this shows by some comments that are made on this board. I do not take them personally so, I have no ill will, but just please in the future, before you spout off the snide comments without considering things, just take a deep breath and think about whats going on.
Fourth, Regarding the pop out condition, some early units had a problem. The method of testing used at that time, did not catch it. The sliders were redesigned to take care of this problem. We have had favorable results. This is why the testing procedure was completely changed and at this point, every unit is test run in a car to confirm proper function.
I want NOTHING more than to have a ton of happy customers so, believe me, We are doing our best to make sure that things get out of here as quickly as possible. We are finally making some headway. If anyone has an early unit this is having problems, let me know so that we can get any issues taken care of.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/23/1604:18 AM
Originally Posted By JamiePasson
Hello Everyone, Let me try to address some issues I saw questions on.
First, Our website and Email server was down for an entire week for a server migration that was supposed to take an hour. I'm not a techie so I didn't have control over that. Regarding the list. There is no possible way to go in the exact order of the list. Due to variations in configurations, it isn't possible. PLEASE keep that in mind.
Second, If anyone has questions, call or email me to conform place on the list. I have always allowed this.
Third, The last year of life has been without a doubt the most challenging on every front for me. This is why I have not been on this board in a long time. Quite honestly, other things have taken priority over this board. Some of you cannot accept that and this shows by some comments that are made on this board. I do not take them personally so, I have no ill will, but just please in the future, before you spout off the snide comments without considering things, just take a deep breath and think about whats going on.
Fourth, Regarding the pop out condition, some early units had a problem. The method of testing used at that time, did not catch it. The sliders were redesigned to take care of this problem. We have had favorable results. This is why the testing procedure was completely changed and at this point, every unit is test run in a car to confirm proper function.
I want NOTHING more than to have a ton of happy customers so, believe me, We are doing our best to make sure that things get out of here as quickly as possible. We are finally making some headway. If anyone has an early unit this is having problems, let me know so that we can get any issues taken care of.
Jamie
I want to step up and speak to what I personally know about all this. FACT: The Passon website and server were messed up awhile back.Jamie and I used other channels to keep in touch,there was no real 'blackout'and as always, he kept me in the loop.He was transparent with me from day one that the list number jumped all over based on which box was in production and which parts were in supply to build what unit. FACT: Jamie has ALWAYS responded to my PMs e-mails or FB messages. FACT: Although I do not know about other things our friend might be dealing with, it is no secret the 855 saga has been ridiculously stressful, time and dollar consuming, and Jamie is still trying hard to ramp up to full production, and get the boxes to the buyers and would be buyers.Part of this is things like the slider issue (solved) which he did NOT want to end up in our cars.Taking the time and trouble to install and run every unit in a vehicle demonstrates to me how serious this person is about giving me the absolute best unit humanly possible. FACT: I will say that Jamie is 100% a man of his word, and went above and beyond to get me my 855 in a timely manner and I will have zero reservations buying from him in the future.
BTW MY 855 is here...My God this thing is beautiful.The machining is super clean, the shifter and all associated hardware is well built and solid...If she runs as good as she looks (and I have no doubt) I will have some great stories to tell.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/23/1607:12 AM
As much as I am a proponent of 6 speeds...
I still think that it is awesome that you are making a transmission here in the USA. I am always trying to find Made in USA parts, tools etc. & its downright impossible sometimes to find quality stuff. Heck my Tremec trans is Hecho en Mexico!
I have some idea of how hard it is to produce plastic `Cuda spoilers, but absolutely no idea of how difficult it is to bring a 5 speed trans into production, so my hats off to you sir!
When your A-866 six-speed eventually comes out I will probably be trying to talk everyone into installing the new Tremec T57 7-speed trans, so go figure? haha!
Good luck with the transmission and I hope you sell a ton of them!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/23/1611:40 PM
Originally Posted By RylisPro
When your A-866 six-speed eventually comes out I will probably be trying to talk everyone into installing the new Tremec T57 7-speed trans, so go figure? haha!
WTH are you talking about? You woke up from a dream or something?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/10/1701:16 AM
Originally Posted By Old School
Originally Posted By Slimfish
Originally Posted By Sixgun
Houston....we HAVE a tracking number....E body large retainer. The beat goes on.... I'll make a full report as things develop, film at 11.
Anything to report yet? Maybe a photo of a real live A855....
go to page 111 and you could see two of mine.....
I think that would be post #2058649 for those like myself who have a different post count per page in their "My stuff/Edit preferences. For example I'm on page 31 now.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/15/1705:28 PM
Thanks for the photos. It's good to see another unit in the hands of a customer. That means I'm one shorter on the list :-) Keep us informed on your progress.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/15/1705:34 PM
It is good to see another actual unit has been produced. Maybe now, after five years, things have worked out to where he can start trickeling them out more steadily. Let us know how it works for you.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/16/1707:06 PM
Is it me or couldn't the build a jig/crate/etc. for shipping with wood?
If they could, they can hire some high school kids to build it rather then wasting valuable time and steel w/a fancy steel jig just to ship the trans out with.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/16/1708:58 PM
Too much trouble with damage, I have a wood crate from mine, shipping guys must have used it as a football. The steel crate looks very durable and likely as economical.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/28/1710:54 PM
Well I am supposedly #200 on the list with what I hope is the most common application. E/B body w/buckets. This give me hope they are moving thru the list. I did email Passon the middle of last year, but never got a response. Here's hoping??? .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/07/1711:30 PM
Well, it is finally IN!!!Only took a few hours to strip the old 18 spline out and clean up a little, (laying under the car gets harder every year, and with temps in the 20's and 30's in an unheated garage, I feel OLD!) Finished getting the 855 bolted in about 7 PM on a sunday. Again, the machining on this unit is better than just about anything I have ever bought.It truly 'slid right in' and everything lines up as stock.Filled up 3 quarts 75/140 synthetic for break in, not a drip, not even any weeping anywhere,let's hear it for O Rings! Finished up a few small details last night, and if the weather ever warms up and dries out, I'll be ready.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/13/1705:17 PM
Going on a year now I had Jamie go through my transmission, as there was a recurring issue I couldn't find. Shipped it back, and the tail section was protruding out the back of the wooden case about 2 inches. Secured in place by two 2X4's, which were both shattered width wise. Amazing what they did with this thing.
Broke the retainer clip housing in the tail section, so the output shaft was floating freely. Only transmission Jamie has ever lost in 20 years of shipping. Luckily UPS paid up, at least most of it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/12/1703:51 AM
Did you have just one number on the list or five? I talked to a guy at the Dever swap meet who got two a while back and said he only had one list number. Said he was in the sixties but didn't know for sure.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/17/1706:39 PM
This may sound like I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face, however.....
It doesn't put the warm and fuzzy feeling in me to be signed up and waiting on the list since the 2013 Nats and see other Mopar enthusiasts getting 2, 3, or more 855 transmissions while I sit waiting. Guess my $5000+ that I have had sitting while patiently waiting isn't as good as other guys $$$$?
I have always completely positive about this product....but just a tad disappointed now.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/17/1707:05 PM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
This may sound like I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face, however.....
It doesn't put the warm and fuzzy feeling in me to be signed up and waiting on the list since the 2013 Nats and see other Mopar enthusiasts getting 2, 3, or more 855 transmissions while I sit waiting. Guess my $5000+ that I have had sitting while patiently waiting isn't as good as other guys $$$$?
I have always completely positive about this product....but just a tad disappointed now.
I would call him. I know a lot depends on which style you want. When I was picking up my a body trans, they were waiting on tail shafts for the b and e body's. Something about the last ones had bad core shift....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1703:54 PM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
This may sound like I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face, however.....
It doesn't put the warm and fuzzy feeling in me to be signed up and waiting on the list since the 2013 Nats and see other Mopar enthusiasts getting 2, 3, or more 855 transmissions while I sit waiting. Guess my $5000+ that I have had sitting while patiently waiting isn't as good as other guys $$$$?
I have always completely positive about this product....but just a tad disappointed now.
You can always give him a call. What number are you?? I have been signed up for quite a few years also and got a number somewhere around 175 and Jamie told me 2 months ago I should have it within the next year...and I am waiting for an e body unit.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1707:11 PM
Quote:
You can always give him a call. What number are you?? I have been signed up for quite a few years also and got a number somewhere around 175 and Jamie told me 2 months ago I should have it within the next year...and I am waiting for an e body unit.
I have a '71 b-body with buckets, so it's the same as the E-body. I have emailed twice in the last 12-13 months but never received a reply. Jamie told me a few years ago I was #200. .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/18/1707:58 PM
Originally Posted By Old School
[quote=Fasbird]When I was picking up my a body trans, they were waiting on tail shafts for the b and e body's. Something about the last ones had bad core shift....
Sounds like Passon just doesn't get a break with this product...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/19/1701:33 PM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
Quote:
You can always give him a call. What number are you?? I have been signed up for quite a few years also and got a number somewhere around 175 and Jamie told me 2 months ago I should have it within the next year...and I am waiting for an e body unit.
I have a '71 b-body with buckets, so it's the same as the E-body. I have emailed twice in the last 12-13 months but never received a reply. Jamie told me a few years ago I was #200. .
I was in the low #200,s and after talking to a few people that basically went around the list because of who they were and people getting 2 and 3 of these things I just called SST last week and ordered me a brand new T-56 Magnum Kit. Tired of waiting
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/20/1705:24 PM
Just to be clear, I would like to and will be staying in Passon's corner. But, being a previous owner of a Keisler Tremec 5spd, I just have to have an overdrive trans in the car. It makes cruising so much more pleasurable rather than the 4spd with 3.91 gears. I'll keep monitoring Passon's progress to see what comes up, however, the car will finally be getting back on the open road again this year. There will be a 5spd in the car in 2018 regardless. I hope it will be a Passon 855...???!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/21/1702:06 AM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
Just to be clear, I would like to and will be staying in Passon's corner. But, being a previous owner of a Keisler Tremec 5spd, I just have to have an overdrive trans in the car. It makes cruising so much more pleasurable rather than the 4spd with 3.91 gears. I'll keep monitoring Passon's progress to see what comes up, however, the car will finally be getting back on the open road again this year. There will be a 5spd in the car in 2018 regardless. I hope it will be a Passon 855...???!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/22/1711:32 PM
Update, just put my first 150 miles on mine...super smooth shifts, quiet,put her in 5th rolling up I-5 and it was awesome at 70MPH. Motor just loafs along. When I broke in this motor with the 4 speed and 4.10s it got 6 MPG. With the 855 and 3.54's I got 10.5 to 12.5 MPG, may not sound like much, but hey a 572 Hemi with a roller cam and 2 4 barrels running all the time... to me is pretty good! Means that theoretically I could get 180 miles + on a tankful! More later, case
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/22/1711:56 PM
Originally Posted By Sixgun
Update, just put my first 150 miles on mine...super smooth shifts, quiet,put her in 5th rolling up I-5 and it was awesome at 70MPH. Motor just loafs along. When I broke in this motor with the 4 speed and 4.10s it got 6 MPG. With the 855 and 3.54's I got 10.5 to 12.5 MPG, may not sound like much, but hey a 572 Hemi with a roller cam and 2 4 barrels running all the time... to me is pretty good! Means that theoretically I could get 180 miles + on a tankful! More later, case
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/23/1711:21 PM
Originally Posted By Old School
Originally Posted By Sixgun
Update, just put my first 150 miles on mine...super smooth shifts, quiet,put her in 5th rolling up I-5 and it was awesome at 70MPH. Motor just loafs along. When I broke in this motor with the 4 speed and 4.10s it got 6 MPG. With the 855 and 3.54's I got 10.5 to 12.5 MPG, may not sound like much, but hey a 572 Hemi with a roller cam and 2 4 barrels running all the time... to me is pretty good! Means that theoretically I could get 180 miles + on a tankful! More later, case
welcome to the club!!
I can't wait to join!!!! I for one will keep waiting. I did the 4 sp od switch until I get me 5 sp.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/27/1707:43 PM
Originally Posted By 70HemiShaker
Getting ready to install mine as well!
That looks awesome! Looks like you've made some changes from the one in your signature pic. Those look more like FHO valve covers, and what intake are you running there?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/27/1708:35 PM
Thanks, Mick. I've made quite a few upgrades this winter... I went with a solid FT that's much bigger than the hydraulic I had(582/567 vs. 619/601). I am running Eddy Victor Jr heads, with the Eddy single plane dual 4 intake. I changed compression from 9.0-10.8 too. Also added the Stage V rockers and went with Scott Smith Carter clone carbs. Those valve covers are Ray Barton plain black wrinkle finish. If you've kept up with my troubles of rear main leaks, then you'll know I've been revamping. My old setup dyno'd at 583hp@6000 RPM. This setup dyno'd at 675hp@6500 with 580 TQ@5200 RPM. And I have seemed to avoid a leak thus far.... After break in and dyno session! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.... Here's a front shot.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/31/1705:11 AM
Originally Posted By 70HemiShaker
Thanks, Mick. I've made quite a few upgrades this winter... I went with a solid FT that's much bigger than the hydraulic I had(582/567 vs. 619/601). I am running Eddy Victor Jr heads, with the Eddy single plane dual 4 intake. I changed compression from 9.0-10.8 too. Also added the Stage V rockers and went with Scott Smith Carter clone carbs. Those valve covers are Ray Barton plain black wrinkle finish. If you've kept up with my troubles of rear main leaks, then you'll know I've been revamping. My old setup dyno'd at 583hp@6000 RPM. This setup dyno'd at 675hp@6500 with 580 TQ@5200 RPM. And I have seemed to avoid a leak thus far.... After break in and dyno session! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.... Here's a front shot.
Very nice! Hope it all goes back together well. That's great about the rear main holding. Those can be a beastie!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/08/1704:58 PM
Has anyone had luck contacting Jamie? I emailed him to see where I was on the list. (put my name on there over a year ago) With no reply. I know he's plenty busy. But it would be nice to see where I'm at. So I can plan future projects. Thanks
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/09/1701:06 AM
Originally Posted By 4406forPOWER
Has anyone had luck contacting Jamie? I emailed him to see where I was on the list. (put my name on there over a year ago) With no reply. I know he's plenty busy. But it would be nice to see where I'm at. So I can plan future projects. Thanks
Not sure if this helps.....but I am on the list for years (has to be at least 4) and I am somewhere around number 180 and Jamie told me about another year wait a few months back. I am hoping for it by next winter.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/09/1704:00 PM
Yes, I am on his list for a few months shy of five years at number 181. I called him recently and he was reluctant to provide any estimate for when a five speed will be available for me. After I asked if he could give me at least some idea, 6 mos., 1 year, 1-1/2 year.... he said at this point I'm probably looking at a bit over a year. He was also not anxious to tell me how many transmissions have been produced and delivered. He did tell me that he doesn't follow the list numerically and that he builds and tests transmissions as parts that pass quality control are available for different units. So, I wait patiently as I am sure his product will be worth the extended wait.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/17/1704:04 AM
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
Got tired of waiting also. This just got delivered to me. Couldn't be happier.
Is that SST's 2nd gen B body 6spd by any chance?
Yes it is.
Be nice if you do your own thread with pics on it's install probably in the "member's projects section", as I myself and others would like to see the latest offering from SST regarding the 6spd install, I'm considering upgrading the Keisler TKO .064 5 spd I have in my Daytona to a 6spd .50 OD as I desire a little more top end speed being limited to 145-150 MPH with 4:10s
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/17/1705:17 PM
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
Got tired of waiting also. This just got delivered to me. Couldn't be happier.
Is that SST's 2nd gen B body 6spd by any chance?
Yes it is.
Be nice if you do your own thread with pics on it's install probably in the "member's projects section", as I myself and others would like to see the latest offering from SST regarding the 6spd install, I'm considering upgrading the Keisler TKO .064 5 spd I have in my Daytona to a 6spd .50 OD as I desire a little more top end speed being limited to 145-150 MPH with 4:10s
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/25/1706:20 AM
Be nice if you do your own thread with pics on it's install probably in the "member's projects section", as I myself and others would like to see the latest offering from SST regarding the 6spd install, I'm considering upgrading the Keisler TKO .064 5 spd I have in my Daytona to a 6spd .50 OD as I desire a little more top end speed being limited to 145-150 MPH with 4:10s [/quote]
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I would like to see that as well since I don't think I'll live long enough to get a Passon 5 spd :-)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/24/1708:48 AM
My 855 is on the way. I read all of the posts in this thread. All I can say is I'm glad I can justify the price, Jamie is a stand up guy, and my V code 70 Roadrunner is going to the next level. I will have to decide whether to go with a 4:10 in the future (likely) or keep the 3:54 that's in my Dana60 now. I use it mostly for Crusin the Coast, car shows, and the occasional 1320 flog. Once I have a 6XX HP, 6XX Torque stroker in it, the 1320 trips may come more often. I have a trailer for long destinations.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/26/1702:11 AM
Originally Posted By BiomedTechGuy
My 855 is on the way. I read all of the posts in this thread. All I can say is I'm glad I can justify the price, Jamie is a stand up guy, and my V code 70 Roadrunner is going to the next level. I will have to decide whether to go with a 4:10 in the future (likely) or keep the 3:54 that's in my Dana60 now. I use it mostly for Crusin the Coast, car shows, and the occasional 1320 flog. Once I have a 6XX HP, 6XX Torque stroker in it, the 1320 trips may come more often. I have a trailer for long destinations.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/27/1703:02 AM
Like I wrote, I just within the last week read the entire thread from start to finish, and I see that there are a number of posts that say that doesn't necessarily determine when you get a transmission, but to answer your question, no. I got with Jamie a long time (years) ago on this "expected to be amazing" work of grenade-proof functional art and I had to force myself to mentally disengage from any questions or news or updates regarding it for fear that I would go full blown OCD about it. I saw one installed in a Superbird a year ago and needed intensive therapy for a few weeks but recovered (lol). No tracking number yet, but I will report back after I install it. Thanks.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/12/1710:12 PM
THATS MY 855. Pictures are from the B Bodies FB page. Easy install, same crossmember and drive shaft, the new speedo cable is routed from right side over the trans, plenty of room between trans and tunnel. It's in my 69 GTX and I have 400 miles on it so far, (break-in 600) and I love it, 3.55 rear gear and around 80mph @ 2600 rpm. Shifts are smooth and firm as you would expect from a brand new performance gearbox.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/22/1706:40 PM
My buddy put an American Power Train TKO600 kit in his Fury and the kit less clutch arrived for a cost of just under $4,500. So whatever the going rate for the A855 is (which seems to be somewhat closely kept) would be the difference assuming you have existing factory 4 SPD components. APT can send a kit out the door tomorrow. So for an E or B body a kit is available if you are not set on a drop in solution.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/23/1710:37 PM
Originally Posted By Slimfish
My buddy put an American Power Train TKO600 kit in his Fury and the kit less clutch arrived for a cost of just under $4,500. So whatever the going rate for the A855 is (which seems to be somewhat closely kept) would be the difference assuming you have existing factory 4 SPD components. APT can send a kit out the door tomorrow. So for an E or B body a kit is available if you are not set on a drop in solution.
Last I recall the Passon 5 speed is "currently" $4995, for that you get, transmission, shifter assy, and speedo cable
You'll need to procure all the other manual tranny conversion parts if you don't have them, or your vehicle is currently an automatic
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/25/1705:52 AM
the thing about the American Powertrain kit according to American Powertrain support is that sometimes you need to "modify" the floor and sometimes you don't.....hate to find out I am one of the modify victims after the trans arrives.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/25/1704:53 PM
Originally Posted By mjb765
the thing about the American Powertrain kit according to American Powertrain support is that sometimes you need to "modify" the floor and sometimes you don't.....hate to find out I am one of the modify victims after the trans arrives.
Really? "Victim" I don't get that attitude at all, these cars were built with such sloppy tolerances that stock "replacement" parts need to be modified. If you are installing a transmission that was never intended for your car and needs modification I don't see how you are being victimized. That's just Hot Rodding.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/26/1701:38 AM
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By mjb765
the thing about the American Powertrain kit according to American Powertrain support is that sometimes you need to "modify" the floor and sometimes you don't.....hate to find out I am one of the modify victims after the trans arrives.
Really? "Victim" I don't get that attitude at all, these cars were built with such sloppy tolerances that stock "replacement" parts need to be modified. If you are installing a transmission that was never intended for your car and needs modification I don't see how you are being victimized. That's just Hot Rodding.
I get that....but when they claim bolt in and then the story changes when you call and question it. I have done my share of modifying to make something work over the years, but you expect that when you make your choice. When a company claims that it bolts right in, then it should. Not going to get into a back and forth over this, but everybody has an opinion....not really an attitude.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/28/1705:43 AM
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.
Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.
Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/28/1702:07 PM
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.
Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.
Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/29/1712:03 AM
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.
Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.
Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/29/1704:31 AM
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.
Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.
Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.
Not blaming American Powertrain for the product..it is what it is.....my ONLY issue is when they say it fits with no mods, then change their tune when you call.....I'm sure it is a fine unit.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/29/1705:17 AM
Originally Posted By mjb765
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.
Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.
Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.
Not blaming American Powertrain for the product..it is what it is.....my ONLY issue is when they say it fits with no mods, then change their tune when you call.....I'm sure it is a fine unit.
I think it is excellent that American Powertrain and others (SST) are making the investment to bring other offers to the Mopar market. We need their engagement as well. But many are not willing to risk cutting on some of their cars. If I was building a pro touring car based on a 318 or /6 body their items would be considered. But I am not willing to cut on my X9 Numbers matching GTX (even though it is far from a show car). Many feel the same way on their more historically relevant rides. The more the merrier in this regard. Neither path is inexpensive and each have their merits. The point is that I and many others are willing to wait for Jamie to call any say their unit is ready. And for me, when the first one is done, I will place my order for a second one that same day.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/30/1705:13 PM
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By Slimfish
My buddy put an American Power Train TKO600 kit in his Fury and the kit less clutch arrived for a cost of just under $4,500. So whatever the going rate for the A855 is (which seems to be somewhat closely kept) would be the difference assuming you have existing factory 4 SPD components. APT can send a kit out the door tomorrow. So for an E or B body a kit is available if you are not set on a drop in solution.
Last I recall the Passon 5 speed is "currently" $4995, for that you get, transmission, shifter assy, and speedo cable
You'll need to procure all the other manual tranny conversion parts if you don't have them, or your vehicle is currently an automatic
I haven't got to install it yet and I got a discount also but I bought the SST T-56 Magnum Kit for $7K but I bought some other stuff with it. That includes the oil for tranny, a driveshaft, bell housing, template to were to cut your tunnel and the metal to reweld it with, transmission support, cables, all of the electrical wiring for it. A pistol grip shifter, billet flywheel, ram HD clutch and a hydraulic set up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/30/1706:33 PM
Originally Posted By EWJ
Originally Posted By mjb765
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.
Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.
Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.
Not blaming American Powertrain for the product..it is what it is.....my ONLY issue is when they say it fits with no mods, then change their tune when you call.....I'm sure it is a fine unit.
I think it is excellent that American Powertrain and others (SST) are making the investment to bring other offers to the Mopar market. We need their engagement as well. But many are not willing to risk cutting on some of their cars. If I was building a pro touring car based on a 318 or /6 body their items would be considered. But I am not willing to cut on my X9 Numbers matching GTX (even though it is far from a show car). Many feel the same way on their more historically relevant rides. The more the merrier in this regard. Neither path is inexpensive and each have their merits. The point is that I and many others are willing to wait for Jamie to call any say their unit is ready. And for me, when the first one is done, I will place my order for a second one that same day.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/30/1707:17 PM
I would really check your driveline angle in the mock up stage, if it is like the old Keisler perfect fit deal they supplied a rear cross member that lowered the rear trans mount by about 1.5 inches to have the A41 clear the tunnel. Which in my case caused a vibration issue, hence the reason I have a 855 in my car, which has been awesome since Aug 2013 and is getting close to 10000 miles on it. Just Sayin
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/30/1708:47 PM
Originally Posted By 572hemi
I would really check your driveline angle in the mock up stage, if it is like the old Keisler perfect fit deal they supplied a rear cross member that lowered the rear trans mount by about 1.5 inches to have the A41 clear the tunnel. Which in my case caused a vibration issue, hence the reason I have a 855 in my car, which has been awesome since Aug 2013 and is getting close to 10000 miles on it. Just Sayin
Did you actually have a GM 4L60E behind that beast?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/30/1711:19 PM
I did, lasted 73 miles the first time, about 2000 2nd, found out the TPS was bad and not building pressure, by that time I was afraid of it so went manual after 6500 miles, transmission pressure gauge should be included. I should clarify that the eng was 635 HP and 665 Torque then, at the upper limit of the trans capability.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/01/1702:11 AM
This reminds me of a rifle stock that I bought and took 3 years to get. Company announced it a bit early and got a bit backlogged. Like this trans it was a high quality labor intensive product. In the end it all worked out.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/01/1705:15 PM
Originally Posted By 572hemi
I did, lasted 73 miles the first time, about 2000 2nd, found out the TPS was bad and not building pressure, by that time I was afraid of it so went manual after 6500 miles, transmission pressure gauge should be included. I should clarify that the eng was 635 HP and 665 Torque then, at the upper limit of the trans capability.
I figured that would have short lived lol. I was on the list 4-ever for the 855 I just can't wait anymore. I don't care to cut my tunnel up and the T-56 Magnum is a great Trannsmission and I also went with the close ratio.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/17/1711:17 AM
Is there anyone that got on the list within a month or 2 of the announcement That still has not received a transmission? Come Dec. It will be 7 years Surly everyone has it by now. Or even say ya got on the list within the first year......anyone brave enuff to say? Lol
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/17/1706:53 PM
I've been on the list for many years (I don't remember how many) and I'm #43 (42 or 43). I need the linkage for a 71 b body bench seat as Jamie said that one was still being looked at. I haven't bugged him in a while, but I plan to stop by his booth at the Nats for an update.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/17/1709:53 PM
As soon as I heard about the 855 I emailed Jamie which I think was about 5 years ago and I got mine in April. My pics are in this thread. I have over 600 miles on it now and very happy with it. All I can say is that it was well worth the wait. My cost $5,275.00 + shipping to CA and like I said before absolutely no issues installing. Jamie did a great job developing the 855. '69 GTX.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/17/1711:52 PM
Originally Posted By toplescuda
Is there anyone that got on the list within a month or 2 of the announcement That still has not received a transmission? Come Dec. It will be 7 years Surly everyone has it by now. Or even say ya got on the list within the first year......anyone brave enuff to say? Lol
I have been on the list since Mopar Nationals the year it was announced. I can't even remember now if that was 2010 or 2011. I was in the upper 80s, and the first 100 were to be A-body transmissions.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/19/1704:27 AM
Jamie started this thread Dec. Of 2010. So over 6 1/2 years right now I dont even have a bunch of the cars now I had then I really really wanted one of them but now I'm glad I passed on it
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/20/1708:30 PM
Originally Posted By toplescuda
Jamie started this thread Dec. Of 2010. So over 6 1/2 years right now I don't even have a bunch of the cars now I had then I really really wanted one of them but now I'm glad I passed on it
Interesting that the McLeod "Muscle Car 5 spd" that forced Jamies hand still isn't listed for Mopars and can only handle 500 ft/lbs of torque. The only options for Mopar guys are still a beefed up TKO 5spd with CF syncros or a 6 gear Tremec and a plasma cutter (either way). Resto mod guys will still have to wait.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/21/1702:35 AM
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By toplescuda
Jamie started this thread Dec. Of 2010. So over 6 1/2 years right now I don't even have a bunch of the cars now I had then I really really wanted one of them but now I'm glad I passed on it
Interesting that the McLeod "Muscle Car 5 spd" that forced Jamies hand still isn't listed for Mopars and can only handle 500 ft/lbs of torque. The only options for Mopar guys are still a beefed up TKO 5spd with CF syncros or a 6 gear Tremec and a plasma cutter (either way). Resto mod guys will still have to wait.
I think interesting does not cover it, more like misleading and deceptive.. If not for this Jamie might have had more testing time and had his tranny out sooner without the pressure to produce it too soon..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/24/1702:26 AM
I don't know what the big deal is about having to mod the crossmember You can buy a brand new one and put it in down the road if want to return car back to stock No differnt then putting a frame rail in
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/26/1710:00 PM
Originally Posted By Slimfish
Originally Posted By toplescuda
So your saying if he had more time......they would not be a 7 year wait?lol
And it would not have entered the market for a grand less than the current price?
I am saying he would have spent the time testing and working out the bugs rather than trying to supply the finished product too soon.. Seems as if I have read about a fair amount of teething problems due to not enough engineering and testing time..
I can draw pictures for both of you if you need them?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/28/1704:42 PM
So the first 2,3 or 4 years is not enuff time to work out any issues? Ok I understand now. Being that having the orders into the hands of the people that has been on the list for several years now (yep that's a issue) True Story. I have a face book friend that wanted one for his charger. Told me he called them (that day] and was told was a 6 month back order (it's been Lil over 6 months since he called) He asked me what I thought about him waiting 6 months for it. I told him is guys been on the list for several years The deal is......why are people being told they are a 6 month back order??
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/28/1707:40 PM
Topless: please stop trolling the thread. Children should be seen and not heard. You have nothing positive to contribute so we would like you to stop posting like a child.
It's quite apparent you do not understand what it takes to bring this wonderful product to the market and how much it cost up front to make the product move from the blue print to the machining centers. You also seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands.
How much money do you thing it cost to finance this major undertaking? It's deep into 6 figures. Where do you think this money came from? Do you have six figures to finance this operation. Put up some money or be quiet.
Having torture tested Jamies 4 speeds for many many years on the road course [130mph+] I can attest to the quality of the products and the integrity of the business.
I have consulted with Jamie on this project from the beginning. I am not at liberty to divulge the details but you topless need to quit WHINING and go away along with the rest of you so called enthusiasts polluting this thread.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/30/1711:39 PM
I'm shocked. I actually got a call from Passon this past Friday stating that I was on their list and If I was still interested. I don't know if they were updating the list or if it was my turn. I just politely said I had already bought a T-56 Magnum from SST. If I knew I could have got an 855 within a month I still would have bought it but the last time I called in I was still about 6 months on the list out.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/31/1703:28 AM
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
I'm shocked. I actually got a call from Passon this past Friday stating that I was on their list and If I was still interested. I don't know if they were updating the list or if it was my turn. I just politely said I had already bought a T-56 Magnum from SST. If I knew I could have got an 855 within a month I still would have bought it but the last time I called in I was still about 6 months on the list out.
I got the same call asking if I was still interested...The girl said I was number 182 (or something like that) but I may move up from people dropping off the list. Just had my 833 rebuilt to fix a leak and a grind into 4th. Not sure what to do if they call again and say it's my turn. For now I am still on the list.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/31/1703:18 PM
I was called also. It was Thursday when I re'cd the call. Couldn't take the call so I called back and Jamie answered the phone. He didn't give me any promise time but I am still on the list and a willing buyer. I've run a 5spd in the chicken before and all I can say it is a blast to drive and get it out on the highway. I'll stick with Jamie on this one!!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/31/1705:46 PM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
I was called also. It was Thursday when I re'cd the call. Couldn't take the call so I called back and Jamie answered the phone. He didn't give me any promise time but I am still on the list and a willing buyer. I've run a 5spd in the chicken before and all I can say it is a blast to drive and get it out on the highway. I'll stick with Jamie on this one!!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/31/1706:32 PM
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
I'm shocked. I actually got a call from Passon this past Friday stating that I was on their list and If I was still interested. I don't know if they were updating the list or if it was my turn. I just politely said I had already bought a T-56 Magnum from SST. If I knew I could have got an 855 within a month I still would have bought it but the last time I called in I was still about 6 months on the list out.
Stick with the T56 Magnum, you'll be glad you did, aftermarket 5 spds have been done for so long now they're "old school", the T56 is the best choice you could make for your vehicle, the Passon 5spd fills the niche for those not wanting to modify their vehicle's floor/frame/crossmember/etc/etc and or looking for a no skills needed bolt in
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/05/1712:11 AM
Got my call today!!! Was told I should have it in around a month. As I said previously, I was somewhere in the upper 80s on the original list for A-bodies
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/12/1702:57 AM
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
I'm shocked. I actually got a call from Passon this past Friday stating that I was on their list and If I was still interested. I don't know if they were updating the list or if it was my turn. I just politely said I had already bought a T-56 Magnum from SST. If I knew I could have got an 855 within a month I still would have bought it but the last time I called in I was still about 6 months on the list out.
Stick with the T56 Magnum, you'll be glad you did, aftermarket 5 spds have been done for so long now they're "old school", the T56 is the best choice you could make for your vehicle, the Passon 5spd fills the niche for those not wanting to modify their vehicle's floor/frame/crossmember/etc/etc and or looking for a no skills needed bolt in
Lol . I love adding fuel to this fire .. sorry couldnt resist Senor Mike your tremec is ready to ship
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/07/1703:39 PM
Originally Posted By rck850
Got my call today!!! Was told I should have it in around a month. As I said previously, I was somewhere in the upper 80s on the original list for A-bodies
I just assumed that since you said you "shouldhave it in around a month" on the 4th of August that you would be expecting it by the 4th of September......
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/09/1702:54 PM
Originally Posted By Tom_Quad
Topless: please stop trolling the thread. Children should be seen and not heard. You have nothing positive to contribute so we would like you to stop posting like a child.
It's quite apparent you do not understand what it takes to bring this wonderful product to the market and how much it cost up front to make the product move from the blue print to the machining centers. You also seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands.
How much money do you thing it cost to finance this major undertaking? It's deep into 6 figures. Where do you think this money came from? Do you have six figures to finance this operation. Put up some money or be quiet.
Having torture tested Jamies 4 speeds for many many years on the road course [130mph+] I can attest to the quality of the products and the integrity of the business.
I have consulted with Jamie on this project from the beginning. I am not at liberty to divulge the details but you topless need to quit WHINING and go away along with the rest of you so called enthusiasts polluting this thread.
No transmission for you!
Very well said !!!! This business venture does cost money and I'm surprissed that he is still in business. Seven years to produce a product that is still on backorder has to put a major dent in his revenue. Of course I'm a keyboard junky so who gives a sh!t.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/12/1708:07 AM
Originally Posted By Tom_Quad
Topless: please stop trolling the thread. Children should be seen and not heard. You have nothing positive to contribute so we would like you to stop posting like a child.
It's quite apparent you do not understand what it takes to bring this wonderful product to the market and how much it cost up front to make the product move from the blue print to the machining centers. You also seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands.
How much money do you thing it cost to finance this major undertaking? It's deep into 6 figures. Where do you think this money came from? Do you have six figures to finance this operation. Put up some money or be quiet.
Having torture tested Jamies 4 speeds for many many years on the road course [130mph+] I can attest to the quality of the products and the integrity of the business.
I have consulted with Jamie on this project from the beginning. I am not at liberty to divulge the details but you topless need to quit WHINING and go away along with the rest of you so called enthusiasts polluting this thread.
No transmission for you!
Sorry, but couldn't agree more. Not a single one of us has any concept whatsoever as to what it takes/took to undertake something like this. A guy with a more or less one man shop has designed from scratch, built from scratch, and is now producing a transmission that fits our cars, where the rest of the industry more or less ignored us.
Could you do this? Could any of us? You think this was easy, in terms of time, money and energy spent? I think it was [censored] heroic, and I couldn't conceive of doing it in my wildest dreams.
He has done it, and is shipping transmissions, albeit far behind schedule and slowly. Like that has never happened before, at any time in history, in any industry?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/13/1704:16 AM
I got my A-855 home last week. Will do the 5 spd swap over the winter. I support Jamie & I fully expected the long wait for this type of venture.
Rather then sit around and complain, I prepared for the anticipated long 5 year back order list, by installing a 2.94 ratio rear gear, matched to a NOS ultra wide ratio Mopar 833 4 speed with all NOS gears & cluster etc. Jamie also hooked me up with parts. My 383 cuda still accelerates good and is very driver friendly because this combo has very low 3.09 1st gear & slightly lower 2nd, 3rd normal & 4th is normal 1:1 direct. So I therefore have a poor-mans substitute for O.D., which works great at city or Hwy speeds. This wide ratio 4 spd teamed up with 8.75 rear pkg will be offered up for sale late winter or early next spring if anyone is interested or would like more information. ps...I also have another complete set of good used ultra wide ratio 4 spd internals if anyone is interested in building/ converting their own thanks DOUG.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/21/1703:14 AM
I'm happy to say that I just replaced the a833 18 spline 4 speed in my 70 V-Code Track Pak Roadrunner. I am taking a 90 mile trip tomorrow to a shop to look into going from my 3.54 to a 4.10 gear for my Dana 60. The short ride I've taken so far has me very excited about the a855. The shifts are very solid and precise. The synchros work great. The best thing so far is that I went from 3500 RPMs @ 75 mph to 2250. Thanks Jamie for all you do for the Mopar community and for your outstanding and one of a kind, unequaled, exceptional a855 transmission. My car isn't numbers matching, if anyone-ANYONE-has a classic numbers matching 3 pedal car and wants a 5 speed, the a855 is the ONLY choice. I chose it for its outstanding specifications, build quality, choice of components and materials. I am very excited about the trip tomorrow. Having a .70 final gear and dropping 1250 RPMs is great and makes driving on the highway a much much more enjoyable experience.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/22/1701:38 AM
Using a rpm calculator, looks like I am going to install a 4.10 ring and pinion gear set in my Dana 60. I will still be 700 RPMs less at 75 than I was with my 3.54 and original 4 speed. I have no desire for top speed,but 1/4 mile performance and fun cruising on the street is where it's at for me.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/02/1704:10 PM
Man I was called about 3 months ago by a young lady asking if I was still interested in this transmission...I absolutely said yes (even though I had no idea how I was going to pay for it at the time). Now I have the money saved and am ready! Hope I get a call soon because it's either this transmission or body work... But I'd rather have this 5 speed! LOL
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/08/1704:38 PM
Yes Jamie has built some granny. Props for that. And the few that stuck it out and waited to finally get the product that you have been on a list for several years. I very sure he is happy you have done so How many orders moved on or were lost because of that timeframe? I personally know of 2 people that called and was wanting a granny and both told me that on the phone were told there is a 6 month back order. Neither of the 2 guys know of each other......why would they be told that?? I'm a firm believer that if a hand full of select guys he trusted 1 day a month would went a very long ways into getting a killer product into buyer hands Would you have the same thought if ya went down to car dealer. Ordered car of ya dreams and many years later still don't have it in your hands? We all know the answer to that. Would ya Chang your mind if the salesman told ya. This is a huge project to get your new car to you and when it's done it's done?? Killer product that is a to little to late
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/11/1701:06 PM
Topless...I see your attention span and comprehension are a bit short.
Once again please stop trolling the thread. You have not contributed anything but trolling here. As for the rest of the trolls on here this is for you as well Go away.
If you have something to contribute please do so but otherwise please be quiet. The adults on the thread would like to continue the adult discussion about the product that makes driving the old iron fun and faster.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/22/1706:21 PM
I got my call today! I would be more excited if my car was ready. I can always make vroom vroom noises as I shift through the gears in my living room. 7 years in the making, and I was concerned my Charger would be waiting for the trans, lol.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/13/1708:40 PM
Well, I got a phone call from Jamie yesterday morning...A lot has happened in those 5 months that have passed, I'm in the middle of building a shop, and spent the money on my concrete slab!! haha. What a trip.
I have a few days to decide, or I get passed up. I have to let Jamie know either way, very soon...
Maybe I'll get an interest free credit card good for a year and pay it off in the spring of '18. no harm no foul.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/14/1707:02 PM
Its great to see more and more enthusiasts getting their transmissions on this and other forums. You really have to give Jaime props for not saying F-it! a long time ago.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/15/1701:32 AM
Originally Posted By mopardude318
Well, I got a phone call from Jamie yesterday morning...A lot has happened in those 5 months that have passed, I'm in the middle of building a shop, and spent the money on my concrete slab!! haha. What a trip.
I have a few days to decide, or I get passed up. I have to let Jamie know either way, very soon...
Maybe I'll get an interest free credit card good for a year and pay it off in the spring of '18. no harm no foul.
I'll take your place in line if you don't want it now.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/15/1703:40 PM
Hmm. That’s kinda like cutting in line at the restaurant when they only have a limited number of meals left, isn’t it? I bet Jamie won’t go for that. He’ll just call up the next guy in line who has waited 3 years.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/31/1705:07 PM
Seems as though the guys with A Bodies or the B body with the shifter in the forward position are getting theirs now. I am still patiently waiting for my 71 bucket seat B Body version to become available. As someone stated, it's been at least 5-6 years or more since I put my name on the handwritten list at the Nats.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1805:54 AM
Yes, it's good to see that Passon is finally getting the five speeds out in a reasonable quantity. My good buddy just showed me his new 5 speed and it looks really good. He should complete the final touches on his Roadrunner and be driving it by the end of the month. I'm looking forward to a ride and actually seeing how the A855 performs. He tells me he can't get on it for around 700 miles though. I think he told me he was number 326 or something like that on the infamous list.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/05/1811:39 PM
I've beem waiting for the B/E body trans. Hopefully get another call soon. I believe it will be worth the wait and have been in sporadic contact with Passon. Under the impression the last hurdle was core shift in the casting for the tailshaft housing. My Charger has a Tremec and I would not go that route again
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/10/1807:05 PM
Got mine friday! kinda disappoited I did not get the cool shipping cage.I got the OSB box and go to watch FedEx driver Drag ti down the steps and out the door of his truck on to the snow coverd asphalt drive busting the box a little . Grrrrr!! Nothing hurt inside OSB box but it did pop all 2x4 braces loose by poping screws through the 1/4" OSB. hope no one has to witness any more of the FedEX abuse cause the crate wont take a 18" drop, nor should it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/11/1809:45 AM
You got yours Friday, Well I got mine Friday! Jamie is definitely getting these out! I helped my FedEx guy unload it. No way can I carry this box by myself! It's very exciting!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/01/1809:44 PM
I very seldom post But thought I would share my A-855 experience. I installed trans in 70 340 Duster mild engine. All i can Say is fits perfect, shifts perfect, very happy. And my car is not cut up.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/11/1803:36 PM
I have been busy trying to stay on top of stuff. As some realize that this is a job! The reason for the OSB box is we were actually having units getting broken in shipping because there was nothing to absorb the impact of the ridiculous handling of the shippers. That’s the reason and the only reason. We have shipped well over a thousand A833 units in OSB crates and I have had 2 broken. I’ll take those odds.
ALSO, we ran two runs of dual mount 70 up B/E tails and had core shift both times. That is why there is a delay on those units. We expect more tails late April
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/15/1807:16 AM
Originally Posted By JamiePasson
I have been busy trying to stay on top of stuff. As some realize that this is a job! The reason for the OSB box is we were actually having units getting broken in shipping because there was nothing to absorb the impact of the ridiculous handling of the shippers. That’s the reason and the only reason. We have shipped well over a thousand A833 units in OSB crates and I have had 2 broken. I’ll take those odds.
ALSO, we ran two runs of dual mount 70 up B/E tails and had core shift both times. That is why there is a delay on those units. We expect more tails late April
Yes, and I was one of those lucky 2! Luckily we were able to get UPS to reimburse Jamie, and I have only the highest praise for how he handled it for me!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/15/1810:21 PM
Originally Posted By mickm
Originally Posted By JamiePasson
I have been busy trying to stay on top of stuff. As some realize that this is a job! The reason for the OSB box is we were actually having units getting broken in shipping because there was nothing to absorb the impact of the ridiculous handling of the shippers. That’s the reason and the only reason. We have shipped well over a thousand A833 units in OSB crates and I have had 2 broken. I’ll take those odds.
ALSO, we ran two runs of dual mount 70 up B/E tails and had core shift both times. That is why there is a delay on those units. We expect more tails late April
Yes, and I was one of those lucky 2! Luckily we were able to get UPS to reimburse Jamie, and I have only the highest praise for how he handled it for me!
Mick which tranny did you get? I was thinking of getting his overdrive unit.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/15/1810:40 PM
Originally Posted By 70sixpkRT
Originally Posted By mickm
Originally Posted By JamiePasson
I have been busy trying to stay on top of stuff. As some realize that this is a job! The reason for the OSB box is we were actually having units getting broken in shipping because there was nothing to absorb the impact of the ridiculous handling of the shippers. That’s the reason and the only reason. We have shipped well over a thousand A833 units in OSB crates and I have had 2 broken. I’ll take those odds.
ALSO, we ran two runs of dual mount 70 up B/E tails and had core shift both times. That is why there is a delay on those units. We expect more tails late April
Yes, and I was one of those lucky 2! Luckily we were able to get UPS to reimburse Jamie, and I have only the highest praise for how he handled it for me!
Mick which tranny did you get? I was thinking of getting his overdrive unit.
I had him rebuild mine. I was having issues I couldn't track down, finally got tired of it, and had him fix it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/15/1811:52 PM
Originally Posted By mickm
Originally Posted By 70sixpkRT
Originally Posted By mickm
Originally Posted By JamiePasson
I have been busy trying to stay on top of stuff. As some realize that this is a job! The reason for the OSB box is we were actually having units getting broken in shipping because there was nothing to absorb the impact of the ridiculous handling of the shippers. That’s the reason and the only reason. We have shipped well over a thousand A833 units in OSB crates and I have had 2 broken. I’ll take those odds.
ALSO, we ran two runs of dual mount 70 up B/E tails and had core shift both times. That is why there is a delay on those units. We expect more tails late April
Yes, and I was one of those lucky 2! Luckily we were able to get UPS to reimburse Jamie, and I have only the highest praise for how he handled it for me!
Mick which tranny did you get? I was thinking of getting his overdrive unit.
I had him rebuild mine. I was having issues I couldn't track down, finally got tired of it, and had him fix it.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/16/1802:32 AM
Originally Posted By 70sixpkRT
How is the tranny now?
Great! I broke a few teeth off of second gear on the cluster gear, reverse had some pretty bad teeth, but the issue I couldn't solve was the input shaft that went into the pilot bearing was not in great shape. Looked good at eye level, so never checked it. He found that and fixed it, and it has been great ever since.
Except when it arrived with the input shaft hanging out of the front of the packing case! They slammed that thing around so hard it broke the snap ring boss out of the the tail shaft, so he had to put a whole new one on. They brutalize packages sometimes...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/08/1802:44 PM
I spoke with Jamie last week. I was just getting my name in front of him again without being too much of a pain in the azz. He said the duel mount trans are going slowly. I didn't press him for any time commitments.
Note: I have a '71 bucket seat RR, so I need the same trans tailshaft as the E-bodies. .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/28/1804:18 PM
Last communication I had was in May. There was another hiccup with parts supply chain. Jamie was unsure when it would be resolved. I'm still patiently waiting. The keisler in my charger leaves a lot to be desired.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/03/1809:36 PM
Originally Posted By Slimfish
Do you know if the parts supply problem is for all models or just E/Bs? How many folks have waited five years and not received a transmission yet?
I'm waiting for B/E trans. Not sure if the A-body transmissions are rolling out. Not aware of any other manual transmission that will work as well as the 855. Not interested in cutting up another car to fit a substandard trans. To each their own. I'm willing to wait.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/06/1809:11 PM
Originally Posted By MoonshineMattK
I'm waiting for B/E trans. Not sure if the A-body transmissions are rolling out. Not aware of any other manual transmission that will work as well as the 855. Not interested in cutting up another car to fit a substandard trans. To each their own. I'm willing to wait.
I agree. It will be worth the wait! I'd rather have one of these instead of the T56, although I've never personally owned a 6 speed, but have driven them many times.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/09/1811:22 AM
Hello Topless the adults on this thread are again requesting that you to stop trolling the thread. You have been asked before to stop your trolling, apparently your attention span is short.
This is a monumental -expensive undertaking and you need to stop being disrespectful and rude. While there are stronger words that should be expressed to you - i will leave it at that.
Transmissions are shipping per my last conversation last week with Jamie. As usual quality goes in before the name goes on the product.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/09/1807:31 PM
I understand the whole "100% made in america" deal, but these US suppliers seems to be hurting business.
It may behoov Jamie to just outsource some of the parts having issues. If 440Source can make quality parts overseas, and have them finished/inspected locally, Jamie can do the same and he can maybe ship 100 units a month, rather than 100/yr.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/10/1802:14 AM
Originally Posted By Dilbert
Hello Topless the adults on this thread are again requesting that you to stop trolling the thread. You have been asked before to stop your trolling, apparently your attention span is short.
This is a monumental -expensive undertaking and you need to stop being disrespectful and rude. While there are stronger words that should be expressed to you - i will leave it at that.
Transmissions are shipping per my last conversation last week with Jamie. As usual quality goes in before the name goes on the product.
I don't need your permission to reply to the thread. It deff not. Pat me on the back or leave deal And my statement was just wow... I have never said one single bad thing about the product(he'll I'd love to have one)...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/10/1802:18 AM
Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
I understand the whole "100% made in america" deal, but these US suppliers seems to be hurting business.
It may behoov Jamie to just outsource some of the parts having issues. If 440Source can make quality parts overseas, and have them finished/inspected locally, Jamie can do the same and he can maybe ship 100 units a month, rather than 100/yr.
That is what I been saying all along. Nothen else. Have a few of his most trusted friends do a very small assembly line. To knock a few out. I'm sure there is more then a few on this site that that is more then qualified to help..get caught up(somewhat)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/17/1810:49 PM
Back in 2015 I tried to order the overdrive hemi 4 speed from him and was about to get it when he called and said that some of the gears were ruined in the hardening process and it would be a longer wait.
Bummer but I ended up just having him build me a stock hemi 4 speed which I am still running now. Quality is excellent, transmission shifts great and is super quiet.
I wonder if he is having the same issues with the gears?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/18/1811:42 PM
#867739 - 12/01/10 09:03 AM New Passon Performance 5 Speed update JamiePasson Offline
"Well, We are progressing well. The unit will be known as the A-855 5 Speed. We will be debuting the unit at the PRI show next week in Orlando. We are located at Booth 1112."
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/20/1812:43 PM
When you mean OD Gears, are you talking about the five speed gears or the 4 speed set? I’ve installed two sets os the 4 speed sets with no apparent problem. I sure hope that they don’t give me problems. I would have two upset customers that have spent a lot of money with me. Please elaborate.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/04/1802:14 AM
Anyone see this yet?
John Huff:
"We have a few B body 5 speeds available for sale. $5295.00 each. We are testing more as I post this. If you are on "the list" get hold of me. These are true bolt in units, 18 spline input and the included shifter uses a bolt on handle. Your speedo gear and factory driveshaft works too. Uses stock crossmember."
"John Huff For clarification purposes Jamie Passon helped design this transmission. I invested in the project because it seemed I would never get a transmission if I didn't which is true. So after cashing out my IRA, I also ended up working with vendors to produce parts. I worked with Garrett Fuss Inc. to make this project move forward. I then built crates to ship them and road tested every transmission before shipping. This has been a hard project and those of you who know the whole story understand. It has taken years to get to where we are shipping these out on a regular basis."
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/04/1803:55 AM
Originally Posted By 70HemiShaker
I knew this would find its way here..... This is a huge mess from what I gather!!!
I read about it on Facebook last night and was wondering when it would show up on this thread. I think this was the same guy that was selling these transmissions at Mopars at the Strip. He had 3 units for $5295. You take them right then and there. No shipping.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/04/1804:37 AM
Originally Posted By EWJ
Anyone see this yet?
Yes I saw it last night of the B body forum on FB...
for those "facebook impaired" here's John's response to my question...from what I was told several months ago, John drop about $140K to get the ball rolling... John Huff can be reached at the Yellowstone Garage 307-262-0125
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/04/1803:28 PM
Dilbert- with what you have stated, are we saying that these units offered by John contain cases or other components which did not meet Jamie's rigorous QC inspection?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/04/1805:15 PM
I cannot see this derailing Jamie's efforts on the 855. My assumption is that he has too much investment on all fronts to get in his way. I can only hope that I am right about this.
I will be waiting for Jamie's transmission to come out.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/05/1807:36 PM
Well let’s hope this puts an end to the long waits for these transmissions, it’s such a shame that they were not readily available about 5 years ago I believe they would have sold thousands of them.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/06/1803:21 AM
Looking at the Passon Performance website I notice there is no info on the A855 anymore. I don't know if it's because they are still building the new website or maybe they're waiting for production to ramp up before adding it. Makes me wonder.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/06/1804:05 AM
Originally Posted By Ply72rr
Looking at the Passon Performance website I notice there is no info on the A855 anymore. I don't know if it's because they are still building the new website or maybe they're waiting for production to ramp up before adding it. Makes me wonder.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/07/1803:09 AM
Quote:
The story starts with Garrett-Fuss Inc providing a Hemi 4 speed overdrive gear set for Passon Performance in the Early 2000s. The Set was a success and Passon Performance was able to develop a following for overdrive gear sets. A few years rolled by and William Fuss, Founder of GFI and Engineer behind the 5SR Project, asked the question "would a 5 speed overdrive have any interest?" Jamie Passon of Passon Performance answered with a resounding "yes" and the project was put into motion starting with a feasibility study and given the name 5 Speed Retro or 5SR Project.
Many hours were then spent with GFI and Passon Performance, working out the parameters of the new gear box. The main goal was to provide a transmissions that would fit without modifications of the car. Jamie Passon provided information on desirable ratios, fitment issues between platforms, desired torque handling capabilities and from there the A855 concept was born. William Fuss then went to work designing a gear set that would handle substantially more torque than the stock Hemi trans with the added bonus of a fifth gear that would fit inside the small space of an A833. The result, after several months, was a low helix angle gear set with carbon fiber synchronizer/blocker rings that maintains the period correct A833 look of the early 60's, 70's, and 80's Mopars, and as a bonus, will handle over 700 foot pounds of Torque.
Next on the Agenda was many months of CAD work to produce final drawings of the cases, components, and fit them together on the screen. A prototype assembly was developed and went to manufacturing for 10 initial units. Testing started with much success and a list of improvements was generated. After 2 years of road testing, revisions to the design were made, and the first production lot of 50 transmissions was manufactured, with almost all of the parts coming from right here in Pennsylvania, which they still do to this day!
Process development and tooling used up several months delaying production of the first lot, which finished in about 10 months. The units went out and customers response was even better than anticipated. After extensive testing and valuable suggestions from the end user, we were able to discover improvements that we implemented into the product design.
In 2015 John Huff of Yellowstone Garage was implemented into the project as an investor. As an avid Mopar builder and collector he has gone far above and beyond his expected involvement and is now in charge of final testing and shipping of the finished product, making him a very important part of the project. Every transmission goes to his shop and is road tested under various driving conditions including speed tests on the interstate. His involvement even goes beyond testing as he has become a major part of sales as of early 2018 and his insight and expertise are extremely valuable.
As of 2018, 8 years have passed, some of those years being very challenging, we are currently in the third lot of production. The 5SR project is expected to expand to GM designs, calling our GM 5SR the M25, you could say it's the M22 Rock Crusher's Big Brother. We have already prototyped our M25 for C2 and C3 Corvettes along with the Camaro and the Nova with the same goal of a transmission that fits the car without modification or the addition of costly adapters and components. Nobody likes to cut a Pristine car and now you don't have to.
So, thats the story of the 5SR, a transmission that fits the car without modification and can handle big horsepower. Look for other enhancements to the project in the future such as short throw shifting, road course gear ratios, and a dog ring (otherwise known as clutchless) version of both the A855 and the M25.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/07/1805:46 AM
Originally Posted By RTSE4ME
Quote:
The story starts with Garrett-Fuss Inc providing a Hemi 4 speed overdrive gear set for Passon Performance in the Early 2000s. The Set was a success and Passon Performance was able to develop a following for overdrive gear sets. A few years rolled by and William Fuss, Founder of GFI and Engineer behind the 5SR Project, asked the question "would a 5 speed overdrive have any interest?" Jamie Passon of Passon Performance answered with a resounding "yes" and the project was put into motion starting with a feasibility study and given the name 5 Speed Retro or 5SR Project.
Many hours were then spent with GFI and Passon Performance, working out the parameters of the new gear box. The main goal was to provide a transmissions that would fit without modifications of the car. Jamie Passon provided information on desirable ratios, fitment issues between platforms, desired torque handling capabilities and from there the A855 concept was born. William Fuss then went to work designing a gear set that would handle substantially more torque than the stock Hemi trans with the added bonus of a fifth gear that would fit inside the small space of an A833. The result, after several months, was a low helix angle gear set with carbon fiber synchronizer/blocker rings that maintains the period correct A833 look of the early 60's, 70's, and 80's Mopars, and as a bonus, will handle over 700 foot pounds of Torque.
Next on the Agenda was many months of CAD work to produce final drawings of the cases, components, and fit them together on the screen. A prototype assembly was developed and went to manufacturing for 10 initial units. Testing started with much success and a list of improvements was generated. After 2 years of road testing, revisions to the design were made, and the first production lot of 50 transmissions was manufactured, with almost all of the parts coming from right here in Pennsylvania, which they still do to this day!
Process development and tooling used up several months delaying production of the first lot, which finished in about 10 months. The units went out and customers response was even better than anticipated. After extensive testing and valuable suggestions from the end user, we were able to discover improvements that we implemented into the product design.
In 2015 John Huff of Yellowstone Garage was implemented into the project as an investor. As an avid Mopar builder and collector he has gone far above and beyond his expected involvement and is now in charge of final testing and shipping of the finished product, making him a very important part of the project. Every transmission goes to his shop and is road tested under various driving conditions including speed tests on the interstate. His involvement even goes beyond testing as he has become a major part of sales as of early 2018 and his insight and expertise are extremely valuable.
As of 2018, 8 years have passed, some of those years being very challenging, we are currently in the third lot of production. The 5SR project is expected to expand to GM designs, calling our GM 5SR the M25, you could say it's the M22 Rock Crusher's Big Brother. We have already prototyped our M25 for C2 and C3 Corvettes along with the Camaro and the Nova with the same goal of a transmission that fits the car without modification or the addition of costly adapters and components. Nobody likes to cut a Pristine car and now you don't have to.
So, thats the story of the 5SR, a transmission that fits the car without modification and can handle big horsepower. Look for other enhancements to the project in the future such as short throw shifting, road course gear ratios, and a dog ring (otherwise known as clutchless) version of both the A855 and the M25.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/07/1805:17 PM
He is not caught up on the list yet so he may have removed it until he is caught up. Then advertise them when they are in stock and not adding to the mess. just me 2cents
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/13/1801:34 AM
We just launched a new website and as you can see it’s pictured right on the main page. We are still selling both units, the website is just under construction.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/13/1801:41 AM
Originally Posted By fastmark
When you mean OD Gears, are you talking about the five speed gears or the 4 speed set? I’ve installed two sets os the 4 speed sets with no apparent problem. I sure hope that they don’t give me problems. I would have two upset customers that have spent a lot of money with me. Please elaborate.
We are not having any issues with overdrive gears, we are currently just out of stock.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/13/1801:43 AM
Originally Posted By Charger446
Back in 2015 I tried to order the overdrive hemi 4 speed from him and was about to get it when he called and said that some of the gears were ruined in the hardening process and it would be a longer wait.
Bummer but I ended up just having him build me a stock hemi 4 speed which I am still running now. Quality is excellent, transmission shifts great and is super quiet.
I wonder if he is having the same issues with the gears?
Not having any issues with overdrive gears. Just currently out of stock.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/23/1802:11 PM
Now that The Nats and Moparfest have wrapped up, was there any constructive feedback from Jamie as far as what is currently happening or the time table of next releases?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/24/1801:56 AM
Wow! I just don’t understand the tight lips on this subject. People been waiting for years on this tranny. Now a new player is in the mix who maybe a co-owner/distributor. You would think with people at the Nats this thread would have blown up with information. Do anyone know more after going to the Nats? Anyone stop by the Passion booth?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/28/1804:06 PM
Well, I got to drive my buddie's Roadrunner this weekend. He wasnt sure what his list number was. He thought low 300s. He did mention that the shipping documents showed that his transmission shipped from Casper, Wy. He got the A855, installed it, and after a few break in miles he invited me to see how it works. He said the installation was exactly like installing an A833. No surprises. His setup is a 700 plus horse Hemi with 4.10 dana 60 and now the A855. He has a McLeod RXT twin disc clutch. After driving all I can say is WOW! First, second and third gear sound like an old M22 but fourth and fifth are nice and quiet. His RPM at 75 MPH is just under 2600 which is perfect for his cam and power band. He says that's down about 1100 from pre five speed. The thing shifts like a modern sports car. Real smooth! He has to put about 200 more miles on it before he can get on it hard, as the instructions say he should be easy for 700 miles of break in, so it is still yet to be seen how some full power runs go. My impression is that the A855 is probably actually worth the cost, especially compared to the tremec installations I am familiar with. Impressive!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/08/1806:38 AM
I wouldn't say his transmission is noisy. It does have a distinctive sound in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear that strongly reminds me of the old M22 Muncie shallow helix angle though. Guys used to say the Muncies whined and they became known as "rock crusher" but I would just call it a distinctive sound. In 4th and fifth gear the sound reverts to being comparable to an A833.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/09/1802:33 PM
I've been on the list since 2014 for a B/E unit. Got a call from Jamie about a year ago and he said he was updating the list. Ask if still want a tranny, I said yes plus I want to add an A body one. Haven't heard any since. So was at Mopars at the Strip in Vegas this spring and what do you know, I'm standing there looking at the 855's in the midway. The guy is from Casper and said he is the money man on these. I snag the B/E unit he had. Still wanting an A body one. He said he can get me one. Now on the tranny itself. We put in a 70 Challenger with a 440. Have over 5000 easy highway miles on it. For the most part we are happy with it. Yes it sounds like a rock crusher in 1st-3rd gears. Quite in 4th and 5th.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/04/1805:49 AM
I've had mine for 4 1/2 years and cant say I have noticed a noise/whine in any gear. It might have a somewhat different sound than the 833 it replaced but I would attribute that to the aluminum case over the cast iron case.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/23/1802:05 PM
Yes, I received mine maybe 2 months ago for my 69 Coronet. I have installed it and it truly does bolt right in. Now I just have to finish the rest of the car to try it out!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/1802:04 AM
Early A body A833 weighs 128 lbs with shifter. New A body A855 weighs 118 lbs with shifter. Not bad... 10lbs less and an extra gear with 700 FT lbs rating.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/05/1902:24 AM
I ordered one from Jamie this afternoon for my 1969 GTX B-body...he told me it would be 6 months to get mine since they are building E-body transmissions right now.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/05/1911:55 PM
I got the same call last year and then got another call a couple of months ago saying my trans was ready if I wanted it. I think I was #381 when I originally signed up. Transmission installs just like the 833. I am running dakota digital gauges, so I had to buy a short extension for the speedometer cable to make everything work. Easy fix. The car is so much more fun to drive down the highway now! 1969 GTX, 525 horse 440, + 175 hp nitrous, 12" mcleod diaphragm clutch, 4:10 Dana, 28" tall tires. Ran 3000 rpm @ 60mph before and now runs 2600 rpm @ 75 mph. Still in break in period. 150 miles down, roughly 500 left to go.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/06/1905:30 PM
This sounds like great news. I don't know whether to be excited or skeptical. Per Jamie, I'm #200 on his list for what seems like about 7 years. Have even received the calls asking if I still want one (YES!!!). I suppose it's good news that the version I need is being made, the E-body for my '71 bucket seat RR. I'm going to make a call this coming week to see what's what.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 01/17/1910:38 PM
Well, I spoke with Jamie this week. He confirmed my position on the list and gave me the fantastic news that I would be included in this next batch. He stated they will be assembling the trans' in 1-2 months. I need the B/E box and the tail shafts are what they were waiting on. The price is still $5475 plus shipping at this point. I didn't ask for the shipped price yet. The timing works for me!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/03/1905:27 PM
For those of you who have one in a car and using it, have you tried it at the drag strip? I'm wondering how it'll perform in my 530 HP A- body when using a McLeod Soft Lok clutch.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/1903:20 AM
Originally Posted By Fasbird
This sounds like great news. I don't know whether to be excited or skeptical. Per Jamie, I'm #200 on his list for what seems like about 7 years. Have even received the calls asking if I still want one (YES!!!). I suppose it's good news that the version I need is being made, the E-body for my '71 bucket seat RR. I'm going to make a call this coming week to see what's what.
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That's good news..I think I am a few numbers ahead of you (180 something I think)
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/09/1908:55 PM
I'd love to have one, but I just can't do the years of time it will take to get one. If I had a rare, unmolested car that I wasn't willing to cut up, I, like a lot of you would just wait. I, however have a 6 cyl three speed stick '65 Belvedere post that I have no problem cutting on. I'll be getting a T56 Magnum 6 speed which is capable of 700 ft. lbs + and is available TODAY for $2500 less then this trans. I wish Jamie and all of the people who have been on the list for years the best of luck and hope all of the back orders get filled soon. I can't imagine the stress of trying to get these out and for sale for all of these years.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/23/1902:23 PM
[quote. In my opinion shifting an 855 is indistinguishable from an 833 [/quote] I agree completely. I put 800 miles on mine when it was in my E body.....
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/24/1905:58 PM
As someone who bought a Keisler TKO kit in the early 2000's I can positively say the 855 is superior. It's not even close. I truly hope that everyone who wants an 855 can get one.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/25/1901:03 AM
Originally Posted by MoonshineMattK
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
Secret stash probably for his friends.
If you have been waiting for a trans I'd recommend contacting John.
If you have money he will be thrilled to sell you one.
No friend status needed.
My transaction with John was flawless and the trans lives up to the hype. WELL worth the wait.
Think about this for a moment. How difficult is it to buy a new HEMI block?
In comparison, how difficult do you think a clean sheet design bolt in transmission would be to bring to market?
I support people who support the hobby
Same experience here, John was very easy to do business with and I hope to get my unit installed later this year. I searched for any videos of the A-855 in the car and running and found none? Hopefully someone can show us what it’s like to cruise on the highway with a performance rear end while maintaining 75-80 mph with traffic........ I will certainly post a vid when I get my Barton 528/A-855/3.54D60 drivetrain combo up and running...... TBF
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/28/1909:19 PM
There sure is demand for these and I would say that the market is huge for these nice units! The economy is doing very well and folks have discretionary money to spend right now....... I would say that at least 1/2 of all the Mopar Musclecar owners with A-833’s will buy one.... I bet way more than half would buy one..... Way more..... many thousands of units could sell quick if these were available.... Imagine how fast a tent full of these would sell out at the Mopar Nats?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/30/1902:18 PM
Originally Posted by tpabayflyer
There sure is demand for these and I would say that the market is huge for these nice units! The economy is doing very well and folks have discretionary money to spend right now....... I would say that at least 1/2 of all the Mopar Musclecar owners with A-833’s will buy one.... I bet way more than half would buy one..... Way more..... many thousands of units could sell quick if these were available.... Imagine how fast a tent full of these would sell out at the Mopar Nats?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/03/1903:18 AM
So, if I am understanding this correctly, guys have waited (and are still waiting) on a list for 5 years for this product to be released. A new investor comes along and starts fire saleing them to whomever shows him the money disregarding all those people on the list.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/03/1902:09 PM
I've started typing 3 times now.
Rather than trying to summarize my understanding of a complicated situation, My advice to anyone wanting an 855 is to make some phone calls. Get the story from the horses mouth - both of them. Everything makes sense to me after talking to both parties and I made my decision. I believe both Jamie and John are good people and I'm glad they are a part of the Mopar world
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/04/1901:33 AM
Originally Posted by GY3
So, if I am understanding this correctly, guys have waited (and are still waiting) on a list for 5 years for this product to be released. A new investor comes along and starts fire saleing them to whomever shows him the money disregarding all those people on the list.
Please tell me this is not the case!
Or, some have been on Jamie's list for well over seven years. Even with a low list number transmissions have gone to those with higher list numbers. I know he says he sells them out of order according to the models for which components are available but I know transmissions have gone to higher list numbers for certain models so his list seems to be diregarding people on the list too. Probably based on who have been good previous customers.......
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/05/1905:24 AM
Originally Posted by 64Barracuda
Originally Posted by GY3
So, if I am understanding this correctly, guys have waited (and are still waiting) on a list for 5 years for this product to be released. A new investor comes along and starts fire saleing them to whomever shows him the money disregarding all those people on the list.
Please tell me this is not the case!
Or, some have been on Jamie's list for well over seven years.
been on list for close to 7? years after 4, I bought one of his beefed up aluminum 4 speed units instead, I see they are $1000 more than when I first got on the list
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/05/1904:37 PM
Originally Posted by Twostick
I've missed something along the way obviously. How does a third party supply a transmission to people when the guy that apparently builds them, can't?
Kevin
…..YES You missed a lot. LOL......Go back and read through the thread . What a lot of people do not get is that the manufacture(Garret Fuss Inc ) builds the 855 tranny . Passon does not .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/16/1907:50 PM
Originally Posted by THESHAKERPROJECT
Originally Posted by Twostick
I've missed something along the way obviously. How does a third party supply a transmission to people when the guy that apparently builds them, can't?
Kevin
…..YES You missed a lot. LOL......Go back and read through the thread . What a lot of people do not get is that the manufacture(Garret Fuss Inc ) builds the 855 tranny . Passon does not .
This is a brief summary of the development history Jim
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/30/1904:29 PM
I have had the 855 in my 70 V-code Roadrunner for about 2 1/2 years. 71 steel crank "heavy rods" 440, Edelbrock/Chrysler aluminum 6bbl intake, TTi headers, purple stripe 292°/.509 cam. Looking forward to TF240S. Going to build a 6XX HP and torque stroker motor one day. It does have some gear noise in 1-3 but that doesn't bother me, at all. I went from 3,500 RPMs in 4th with a 3.54 R&P in my Dana 60 to 2,750 in 5th with 4.10 R&P. Shifts great. I've been down the 1320 about a dozen times and the shifts are so smooth, fast, and positive that I don't even think about it, I just slam the pistol grip and the next gear is there. I got the 855 because IT IS THE BEST, although I'm grateful that it "dropped in", I would have modded my car for the best transmission to replace the 18 spline 833 that came with the car, but the 855 makes that a non-issue. If I had a numbers matching car or didn't want to mod, there is NO other choice but the 855. For me, there was no other choice because someone who builds the best, sacrifices more than most know to see it through, well that man is a CHAMPION in my book, and Jamie has my loyalty and business forever.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/13/1903:10 PM
I agree that this would be the transmission to have, but eight years on the list and no transmission is discouraging. I called Jamie and he just said it's been a frustrating process and was unwilling to provide updated delivery estimates. Does anybody have any current news?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/09/1904:34 PM
Does anyone know if these transmissions need a speedometer cable extension for a 71 RR? If they do how much of an extension and where do you get them? I seem to have read that they do but I am not sure where I saw that. thx
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 10/22/1911:23 PM
The transmission is in storage and was taken apart by the previous owner. The car was converted to an auto so the hump was hacked up and I need to replace that too. I'll try to get some pics this weekend. Here are the parts that were needed to move the shifter using the front mounting point.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/08/1901:21 PM
3 Carlisles ago or about 2.5 years I talked to him and he said we were #5 on the list for early B-bodies and it would be a couple of months. 4 months later I checked and it was pushed back to a year. Still waiting
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/01/2004:23 PM
I pretty much gave up. After years of being on the list and making calls and texts to John and Jamie. I'm no closer than I was 5 years ago. I would love to not have to cut my trans tunnel. But it's looking more and more like it will have to happen.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/04/2009:00 AM
Incredibly sad. Great solution. Hard to understand the problem with the backlog of folks waiting to buy. I can understand initial growing pains and also issues with not being a high volume customer for the parts but still it's been a long time. Would love to buy one!!!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/2002:14 PM
Well according to a Facebook post on B-body Mopar. If you know a guy named John Huff you can by pass the list and buy one off of him in a matter of weeks. Guy states he got on Johns list and only had to wait 6-weeks. Talk about pissing a bunch of people off.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/2003:50 PM
We all know Jamie pretty good. For him not to come on here and say something, there has to be something going on in his personal life. I do not know if this is true, I did not hear anything but this is not like him. To have somebody all of a sudden start selling them and not under his business something is going on. Just saying
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/2006:36 PM
Yeah but how many people have been on the list for 8-10 years waiting in good faith for a product that has been promised to them and people calling this John guy and get one in 6 weeks. How many people are on the list know any of this is going on? John posted a pic on Facebook with a pile of 855,s laying around getting ready to get shipped out. I don’t care how you cut it, that’s bad business!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/2007:12 PM
They should have taken care of people on the list FIRST and that has not happened! Point this out to John Huff on Facebook and he gets all upset and starts trashing you. Of course that Facebook post went missing after his tirade. I wouldn't buy a rake from a guy that acts like he does!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/2007:55 PM
Originally Posted by davesmopars
Originally Posted by DoctorDiff
This didn't just start happening. John Huff invested in the project several years ago, and has been selling the transmission ever since.
Yes I understand this, but I don't believe he was going to sell them. I thought he just invested in the trans? He selling them and Jamie is not?
The guy who made the post said he bought it off of John Huff and took 6 weeks to get it. Like I said John replied with a pic of 855,s laying everywhere and yes somebody deleted the post also.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/08/2009:45 PM
I have dealt with John and Jamie, and they are both good guys. I don't know the specifics of their business arrangement, but it appears one simply has a shorter "waiting list".
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/09/2011:24 PM
Originally Posted by 70RT Charger
Well according to a Facebook post on B-body Mopar. If you know a guy named John Huff you can by pass the list and buy one off of him in a matter of weeks. Guy states he got on Johns list and only had to wait 6-weeks. Talk about pissing a bunch of people off.
How does the warranty go with John Huff? Who warranties his?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/10/2001:02 PM
I have all the same concerns. Drop a bunch of money on a startup solution and risk a lack of support. But, it's a perfect solution to the OD problem.
1 - Keeps ratios close 2 - Good shift quality 3 - Excellent rated torque capacity 4 - Completely integrated into the car without cutting 5 - Few pounds lighter than an 833 6 - Keeps a "stock" vibe except for the shifter knob showing a 5 speed!
To me it's the best solution by far and Passion had to make a huge commitment (risk) to move forward with this especially with all the trouble (grief) he has gone through. I'm not ready to buy one today but I sure want to buy one tomorrow when I'm at that stage. I'm really hoping for a breakthrough of some kind with availability. I just want both him and us to succeed.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/13/2012:43 AM
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
I've been on contact w/John every 6 months.
His list is no shorter.
He'll supply a bunch (like maybe 8 or 9; not really a bunch) to Jamie, and a few to his close friends.
Every time I go to MATS in las Vegas, John Huff will have about 4-5 to sell right there. No list, no waiting. Must pay right there and take home on the spot.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/13/2012:28 PM
Jim,
the .8 od is just not deep enough when running 3.91 or 4.10 gears. its the same problem with the gear vendors, its a lot of money for short overdrive gear, better than nothing I guess but where there are options for deeper overdrives for not much more cost, than that's probably a better way to go.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/14/2002:10 AM
In all honestly. If you can't fill a back order 10 years long (or even 9) you have no buissness being buissness...turn it over to someone that can run it in. Timely matter......just look at the buissness lost. Just because of the wait Not bashing the product. Just way the whole thing has played out....really zero excuse for it. I dont care if buddys are not
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/2009:56 AM
I have been on the list for over 7 years and have read various comments about how Jamie is a good person etc etc, I tend to disagree as he treats the people waiting to spend money with him like fools, never updates what is happening with his transmission let alone give us a light at the end of the tunnel. I am sure many will defend him but just sit back and think would you wait 7 years for any product and be happy with no updates?? I keep hearing that he has had component supply issues, how long does this go on for, any normal business would look at an alternative supplier. To make things worse people who have been on the list for a lot less time have received transmissions, unfortunately Jamie must think people like looking at their cars and will wait forever for him. Sorry for the long winded rant but just sick of the waste of 7 years.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/2001:25 PM
Originally Posted by 390racer
I have read various comments about how Jamie is a good person etc etc, I tend to disagree as he treats the people waiting to spend money with him like fools
From the couple of times I have talked to him, and after learning about the way he acts at shows, I would have to agree the guy is not a good person. Kind of a tool in my experience.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/2002:05 PM
I was on the list from 2010 at the start til 2017 when i received my trans.... Yes 7 years is a long time, but this trans is worth it! Everyone has different opinions of Jamie.... I consider Jamie an asset to our Mopar community. I get he's a little brazen at times, but Jamie as all of us has life slap him in the face as well. I have tremendous respect for the undertaking of the project, and having your name associated with all the issues that come with it. Most of which are out his control.... There have been bumps in the road with my experience, but Jamie has never once not stepped up to help or make sure my problems have been resolved in some way. That means a lot in my book. He's human and a business man! Again, this is just my take from years of buying, and dealing with Jamie. I feel this trans is worth the wait, but if you don't there are other alternatives...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/2002:37 PM
i don't know him personally but from a small business stand point, i'm sure the guy is standing on his head. none of us know the extent of investment into this project and apparently there are more people than just Jamie at Passon Performance. this is a huge undertaking. most oems wouldn't even release a trans that's hasn't been tested fully. and of those transmissions I know the oems destroy more than Jamie has even built. so seven years to develop and build a trans on a limited budget with other projects looming and a business to run and family responsibilities, it gets hard. as far as I know he hasn't taken any money for preorders and then not delivered like has been done plenty of time in the past. would some more updates be good. yeah. but managing all this social media stuff takes time too. good luck to him and to all the guys waiting in line. i'm on the wait list too.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/27/2009:58 PM
Unless I missed something Jamie hasn't posted anything about this transmission since March 2018. I can appreciate being busy running a business and dealing with family matters but he started this post to create interest and future sales of this transmission, He certainly could of taken a few minutes sometime in the last two years to inform us about any progress or problems with the project.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/01/2004:26 AM
Originally Posted by Ply72rr
Unless I missed something Jamie hasn't posted anything about this transmission since March 2018. I can appreciate being busy running a business and dealing with family matters but he started this post to create interest and future sales of this transmission, He certainly could of taken a few minutes sometime in the last two years to inform us about any progress or problems with the project.
My point exactly, why treat us like a nobody, I understand he is busy but then again most people are and can someone tell me why people on the so called "list" are having to wait up to 10 years when others not on the list have received transmissions. If only the alternatives fitted with less hassle I am sure many would be happy to tell Jamie where to put his list .
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/2001:55 AM
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
I've been on contact w/John every 6 months.
His list is no shorter.
He'll supply a bunch (like maybe 8 or 9; not really a bunch) to Jamie, and a few to his close friends.
I believe Jamie and John are working together. When Jamie called me and said mine was ready I was excited. When it arrived, I immediately noticed that it was shipped from John address. So whom ever list you are on probably doesn't matter.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/2004:10 PM
Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
I've been on contact w/John every 6 months.
His list is no shorter.
He'll supply a bunch (like maybe 8 or 9; not really a bunch) to Jamie, and a few to his close friends.
I believe Jamie and John are working together. When Jamie called me and said mine was ready I was excited. When it arrived, I immediately noticed that it was shipped from John address. So whom ever list you are on probably doesn't matter.
I believe that John tests all the transmissions then crates them and sends them out.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/2005:53 PM
Jerry,
It is actually a .7 OD. . That's why I wanted to go this route. Tremec is either .64 or .82. . I received mine a little over a year ago. Jamie called one day and said it was ready if I still wanted it. My car has 4.10's in it and is a dream to drive down the freeway now. 75 mph = 2500 rpm, and it has plenty of run out. The math shows 175 mph = 6000 rpm. I've had it to 135.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/2006:59 PM
the 5 spd is a .7 od. correct? the overdrive 4 speed gear set as far as I know is only a .8 reduction. which in my opinion is still valuable if the cost wascheaper. but since its not, to me seems prohibitively expensive, other than you can get it tomorrow.
I saw something about them making a gm version of this trans as well and i'm wondering if they are more tied up making the gm stuff and not the mopar stuff since the market is bigger.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/02/2007:42 PM
Last summer I spoke with Seth Garrett of GFI and he said the GM transmissions were still in testing phase. However, they are coming.... and you KNOW that market is much bigger than ours. Garrett Fuss Inc is the company producing the A855 and the 5 speed muncie trans.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/03/2004:36 AM
Jerry,
It is actually a .7 OD. . That's why I wanted to go this route. Tremec is either .64 or .82. . I received mine a little over a year ago. Jamie called one day and said it was ready if I still wanted it. My car has 4.10's in it and is a dream to drive down the freeway now. 75 mph = 2500 rpm, and it has plenty of run out. The math shows 175 mph = 6000 rpm. I've had it to 135.
That's good to hear My cay has 4.10s as well. I will be putting mine in in the next few months.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/05/2001:41 AM
Originally Posted by 70sixpkRT
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
I've been on contact w/John every 6 months.
His list is no shorter.
He'll supply a bunch (like maybe 8 or 9; not really a bunch) to Jamie, and a few to his close friends.
Every time I go to MATS in las Vegas, John Huff will have about 4-5 to sell right there. No list, no waiting. Must pay right there and take home on the spot.
Who do you go thru for warranty? I think Jamie won't honor the warranty since it was not purchased thru him.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/05/2002:29 AM
GFI does all the warranty work, but don't expect Jamie to go to bat for you if you don't purchase through him..... That would be my take on the subject. Thats just my
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 03/06/2006:00 PM
Originally Posted by 70sixpkRT
Originally Posted by 70sixpkRT
Originally Posted by ragtopdodge
I've been on contact w/John every 6 months.
His list is no shorter.
He'll supply a bunch (like maybe 8 or 9; not really a bunch) to Jamie, and a few to his close friends.
Every time I go to MATS in las Vegas, John Huff will have about 4-5 to sell right there. No list, no waiting. Must pay right there and take home on the spot.
Who do you go thru for warranty? I think Jamie won't honor the warranty since it was not purchased thru him.
I find it odd that hear all about just he has taken this much time. And and all because everything has to be perfict. Don't want anyone to help get the units out the door. As he is the only person that can do such work. Yet. Ya get the "who is going to do w arrenty work"? After 10 years. You better be able to do it blindfolded... John may sold it....but who built it??? I also think a lot of praise comes from the fact that the people that got a trans and no longer on "the list" think anyone is going to step up and say. I waited 10 years. Spent a ton of cash on a trans. And say it's a pile of crap?? Few if any wil...if was the case
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/04/2009:12 PM
Originally Posted by HemiA12Bee
I get he's a little brazen at times, but Jamie as all of us has life slap him in the face as well.
If that's another way of saying he's a tool, I agree. I talked to him for the first time probably 15 years before the overdrive fiasco, I wasn't even a blip on anyone's Mopar radar. But he treated me like I was a bother, and the next two times I spoke to him were the same way. This whole fiasco just reinforces my thoughts about him. After my first experience, I just bought from people that I shake hands with at every event I see them at. I was ecstatic when I saw I could buy an overdrive from John and not have to deal with Jamie anymore.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/2001:44 PM
Originally Posted by HemiA12Bee
GFI does all the warranty work, but don't expect Jamie to go to bat for you if you don't purchase through him..... That would be my take on the subject. Thats just my
It's crazy to me that people will buy a $6,000 trans with a questionable warranty.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/2007:05 PM
I feel that it started out at 4295.00 now 6000.00 plus. That increase of 1700.00. People have been on the list from the beginning (me included). So people that have been on the list for 4295.00 are paying 6000.00 now?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/05/2008:15 PM
Originally Posted by davesmopars
I feel that it started out at 4295.00 now 6000.00 plus. That increase of 1700.00. People have been on the list from the beginning (me included). So people that have been on the list for 4295.00 are paying 6000.00 now?
I was on the list, like you, and got my transmission in December, and yes with shipping, tax and trans, $6300. However, I was never promised a transmission at $4295.00, that was the suggested retail price at that time I placed my name on the list.
Jamie gave me the price at the time the transmission and my spot inline came up, along with the option to buy it or not.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/06/2004:29 PM
Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by davesmopars
I feel that it started out at 4295.00 now 6000.00 plus. That increase of 1700.00. People have been on the list from the beginning (me included). So people that have been on the list for 4295.00 are paying 6000.00 now?
I was on the list, like you, and got my transmission in December, and yes with shipping, tax and trans, $6300. However, I was never promised a transmission at $4295.00, that was the suggested retail price at that time I placed my name on the list.
Jamie gave me the price at the time the transmission and my spot inline came up, along with the option to buy it or not.
Nice!
What a load of horse$hit!
People waiting 10 years on a list and then having to pay a $2,000.00 premium for the privilege while others get it out the back door with no waiting. SMH!
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/30/2004:20 AM
I have had mine since 2013, Jamie shipped Lucas oil synthetic 75W-140, and that is all I have ever used , have a little over 10000 miles on it now, we had tried 75-90 for a short period of time but they recommended going back to the 75W-140. Did you not receive oil with it ?, and 3 1/2 qts is about right, it will not be to the fill plug unless that has been lowered
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 04/30/2003:33 PM
Did some research on the oils and leaves some questions about materials used in the tranny.
Lucas is a GL-5 hypoid gear oil and not designed for transmissions using brass/bronze synchronizers. You will need a GL-4 oil, such as Red Line 50305 MT-90 75W90 if it uses Brass/Bronze synchronizers..
So it seems that it would be dependent on the type of metal used for the synchronizers. Will need to check on this.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/20/2012:40 AM
Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by davesmopars
I feel that it started out at 4295.00 now 6000.00 plus. That increase of 1700.00. People have been on the list from the beginning (me included). So people that have been on the list for 4295.00 are paying 6000.00 now?
I was on the list, like you, and got my transmission in December, and yes with shipping, tax and trans, $6300. However, I was never promised a transmission at $4295.00, that was the suggested retail price at that time I placed my name on the list.
Jamie gave me the price at the time the transmission and my spot inline came up, along with the option to buy it or not.
Nice!
What a load of horse$hit!
People waiting 10 years on a list and then having to pay a $2,000.00 premium for the privilege while others get it out the back door with no waiting. SMH!
Carefull. I used to say the same thing. But all I heard was how a god he was. For building it in the first place. How it was a privalge t9 be on a list for years and and years. And was wort a wait. How only he was the only person on on earth capable of puting one togeather. And thus the reason for the years of waiting. Heck lot of people have moved on and don't even have same car 10 years later.......but....lets all stand in line. And bow our heads for this blessing
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 05/20/2002:33 PM
Yep, it sure is a pretty looking piece,
In regards to the rhetoric going back and forth, I too was once a 100% blind supporter. And, to be transparent, I had a Keisler Tremec 5spd in my car for quite a few years. In fact, a photo of my car is still on the Silver Sport website. Anyhow, for at least 9-10 years, I was always told that I was #200 on the list. My last conversation with Jamie was at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019. I looked back on this thread for my posts about talking to him. The posts are at the top of page 73, January 6 and 17th. Jamie told me I was #12 and should see a phone call in 1-2 months. The price at the time was $5475 plus shipping. You know the story.....I'm still waiting. Newest news for me, is I have started looking at the Tremec again from Silver Sport. That trans worked perfect for me in the past, and I'm sorry I sold it to wait for the 855. Oh well, live and learn.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/24/2009:30 PM
Originally Posted by Fasbird
Yep, it sure is a pretty looking piece,
In regards to the rhetoric going back and forth, I too was once a 100% blind supporter. And, to be transparent, I had a Keisler Tremec 5spd in my car for quite a few years. In fact, a photo of my car is still on the Silver Sport website. Anyhow, for at least 9-10 years, I was always told that I was #200 on the list. My last conversation with Jamie was at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019. I looked back on this thread for my posts about talking to him. The posts are at the top of page 73, January 6 and 17th. Jamie told me I was #12 and should see a phone call in 1-2 months. The price at the time was $5475 plus shipping. You know the story.....I'm still waiting. Newest news for me, is I have started looking at the Tremec again from Silver Sport. That trans worked perfect for me in the past, and I'm sorry I sold it to wait for the 855. Oh well, live and learn.
Reminds me of the old Seinfeld episode in the car rental agency.
"You see, you know how to *take* the reservation, you just don't know how to *hold* the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation: the holding. Anybody can just take them."
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 07/25/2002:23 PM
After patiently waiting 11+ years, I decided to go with the SST. I previously ran the Keisler 5 summers from 2000-2004 in the '71 and it never missed a beat. It arrived at my house 6 days after ordering it, additional bell housing, clutch/pressure plate assy, etc...... and on top of it, saved myself $2200. The car is going back together this fall.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/07/2002:49 PM
Originally Posted by Fasbird
After patiently waiting 11+ years, I decided to go with the SST. I previously ran the Keisler 5 summers from 2000-2004 in the '71 and it never missed a beat. It arrived at my house 6 days after ordering it, additional bell housing, clutch/pressure plate assy, etc...... and on top of it, saved myself $2200. The car is going back together this fall.
I feel sorry for all the people that got or are getting suckered into paying $6000 for a transmission. My T56 Magnum didn't even cost that much. The new Tremec TKX 5-speed is $2795 and is in a much smaller case so you don't have to cut the trans tunnel. Tremec will be around forever and have an enormous dealer and parts network.
Guys, do some research and save some money. Get a better product faster.
Tremec TKX TREMEC, the leading manufacturer of manual transmissions and components, announces the release of the new TKX, a 5-speed RWD manual transmission developed solely for the aftermarket. “We listened to our customers, combined their suggestions with our OEM technology and strengthened our aftermarket line up with the addition of the TKX,” says Mike Kidd, aftermarket business unit manager at TREMEC. The all-new 5-speed, single overdrive manual transmission from TREMEC was designed, tested, and built specifically for the aftermarket.
For the development of the new transmission, TREMEC engineers took a forward-looking approach to finding the best and most efficient solution. This included universal packaging, excellent shifting performance, and extreme durability.
The three-piece aluminum housing provides outstanding structural stiffness (includes main case, intermediate plate and rear extension). Gaskets at all flanges simplify installation and eliminate fluid leaks. The transmission is designed for multiple to fit applications with three shifter locations and an overall compact, end-loaded design that provides clearance in most transmission tunnels without floor modifications. Separate GM and Ford case patterns and input configurations are available.
Internally, the TKX features a robust design with internal three-rail shift system and steel shift forks. All gears and shafts are made from special grade steel (ASTM 4615) providing increased torque carrying capacity, and a wide gear width increases gear life and a 600 lb/ft torque capacity, while at the same time, noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH) performance is optimized with a gear layout to best control stress levels. One of the key characteristics of the TKX transmission is its outstanding shift-ability at high RPM (up to 7,500) to match modern, high-performance engines. This was achieved by using multi-cone synchronizers and hybrid synchronizer rings made of sintered bronze and carbon. Additionally, a single overdrive reduces engine wear and fuel consumption for comfortable roadway driving, and the transmission os offered in multiple gear ratio configurations (See chart below). Connecting the transmission to the engine and driveshaft are a 26-spline input shaft and a 31-spline output shaft for added strength.
TREMEC has also equipped its TKX manual transmission with a high-performance short-throw billet aluminum shifter that isolates road noise, while providing clean, crisp shifts, and a built-in reverse light switch and cruise control safety switch provide additional functionality for street car applications.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/07/2011:16 PM
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle. So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version. I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/08/2011:23 AM
Originally Posted by OhioMopar
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle. So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version. I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/08/2003:07 PM
Originally Posted by OhioMopar
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle. So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version. I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.
You should put yourself on the 10 year-old list for a Passon, then.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/2009:18 AM
The price for the Tremec TKX is currently showing to be $2795. The American Powertrain bellhousing for Tremec to Mopar is listed on Summit Racing listed at around $450. SST sells what they call their lighting edition shifter with over 25 shifter positions. I think the total would come out significantly less than the $6K you would spend for the other transmission that you may or may not get for a very long time. Then there is the question of parts to fix said transmission in the future if something goes wrong or a simple rebuild is necessary.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/2007:32 PM
Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by OhioMopar
Hmmm. $3k for the transmission. $800 for a new bellhousing to make it fit. $500 for a clutch to fit the Ford or GM input shaft. $300 or so for another driveshaft because the old one will likely be too long/short. Figuring out some way to run the speedometer. Possible floor modifications because there is NO Mopar application. Hard to claim no floor modifications to a car when there is no application for that transmission in a Mopar. Cutting the floor to put the shifter through since Mopars have the shifter to the side, not straight up the middle. So you're at $4600 on something that may not fit, doesn't handle a much torque(600 in the Tremec, 700 for the GFI), and a better overdrive in the GFI. Unless you get the .68 GM version. I'd prefer to spend the extra $1400 and unbolt one and put the other in in a matter of hours using my existing driveshaft and clutch/bell.
You should put yourself on the 10 year-old list for a Passon, then.
Let us know how that works out for you.
I could have had about 3 by now if I had the coin. When I'm ready, I'll get one. But I appreciate you stopping by to complain some more about a transmission you don't have any interest in.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 11/09/2007:37 PM
Originally Posted by Blakcharger440
The price for the Tremec TKX is currently showing to be $2795. The American Powertrain bellhousing for Tremec to Mopar is listed on Summit Racing listed at around $450. SST sells what they call their lighting edition shifter with over 25 shifter positions. I think the total would come out significantly less than the $6K you would spend for the other transmission that you may or may not get for a very long time. Then there is the question of parts to fix said transmission in the future if something goes wrong or a simple rebuild is necessary.
So if you don't have the space, ability to fabricate the mounting, what is that going to cost? To quote the original cheerleader for the TKX in another thread:
"I called and inquired about what it would take to put my TKO Perfect fit kit into a different car, specifically a big block, and was told that they were specifically fitted to a certain model. I couldn't put the kit in say, an A-body or B-body, but if I wanted to put it in another E-body with a big block the only thing I would need would be a bellhousing." Lots of folks have A and B-bodies...
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/07/2003:36 AM
Originally Posted by Fasbird
Yep, it sure is a pretty looking piece,
In regards to the rhetoric going back and forth, I too was once a 100% blind supporter. And, to be transparent, I had a Keisler Tremec 5spd in my car for quite a few years. In fact, a photo of my car is still on the Silver Sport website. Anyhow, for at least 9-10 years, I was always told that I was #200 on the list. My last conversation with Jamie was at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019. I looked back on this thread for my posts about talking to him. The posts are at the top of page 73, January 6 and 17th. Jamie told me I was #12 and should see a phone call in 1-2 months. The price at the time was $5475 plus shipping. You know the story.....I'm still waiting. Newest news for me, is I have started looking at the Tremec again from Silver Sport. That trans worked perfect for me in the past, and I'm sorry I sold it to wait for the 855. Oh well, live and learn.
Tens years to move from 200 to 12 and you are still waiting almost two years later. Wow.
I imagine Passon has lost 10-20% of his waiting list just because of time. He may loose/has loose another 25-30% of his waiting list now that there is an alternative. If that alternative is proven to be a fit without cutting, the loss may go to 50-75%. That means everyone on the list moves up, lessened demand on all parties involved, and the balance of the list may be able purchase their requested transmission within the next 10 years.
I'll agree its a good looking transmission. I also know there will always be those buyers out there that want a true bolt in swap with zero changes and zero modifications required to utilize their trans. Some cars will demand it simply because of value. If those of you who want that are willing to pay they extra in time and money for that convenience, that is your prerogative. Some of us have cars that are not as valuable, do not want to pay the premium, or do not want to wait for the delivery. That's the great thing about choice. I'm glad there are options out there.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/09/2003:47 AM
Originally Posted by toplescuda
In all honestly. If you can't fill a back order 10 years long (or even 9) you have no buissness being buissness...turn it over to someone that can run it in. Timely matter......just look at the buissness lost. Just because of the wait Not bashing the product. Just way the whole thing has played out....really zero excuse for it. I dont care if buddys are not
Try and tell that to Boeing or airbus, the love long lead times, guaranteed money for a decade.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/11/2010:45 PM
I got lucky had mine for 5 years or so..
ask anyone .. i brake everything , have not broken this Been 145 mph for a distance - and been probably 10’s - had 400 ft lbs and nos more than 600 ft lbs . Its slipped outta first couple times . But i hold onto the stick when im drivin hard. Doesnt seem to pop out much now, if at all Id buy another ..
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 12/12/2003:32 AM
Originally Posted by sogtx
I got lucky had mine for 5 years or so..
ask anyone .. i brake everything , have not broken this Been 145 mph for a distance - and been probably 10’s - had 400 ft lbs and nos more than 600 ft lbs . Its slipped outta first couple times . But i hold onto the stick when im drivin hard. Doesnt seem to pop out much now, if at all Id buy another ..
Nice! With the E and '71-'72 B sharing some sheetmetal, anyone know if the trans and shifter dimensions the same?
Never mind...I missed this in the article..."“The TKO installation required tunnel cutting in most ‘70-‘74 E and ‘71-‘74 B installations. The TKX is considerably smaller and has a more rounded case compared to TKO. This provides much needed room to avoid cutting the tunnel on these cars when paired with our case machining and rear offset shifter,” says Jeff Kauffman, Vice President of Sales and Marketing.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/25/2105:20 PM
I hope Jamie gets this all worked out. I spent much of the past year hunting a 4 speed car, with the goal of adding 855 within a couple years. Thought by now this would all be fine tuned, quirks and production. Simple bolt in. Guess not. Great thing I did what I said I wouldn’t and bought an automatic…
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 09/09/2109:45 AM
After 10 years on a so called list with no updates from Jamie I have ordered the TKX, hope to have it soon and will update everyone on how it fits, if anyone has already done it please let me know if there is anything I should look for.
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 02/01/2205:42 AM
Are these things even being produced now? Somebody was selling one here I almost bought... but with those big old heavy gears I couldn't do it. I need all the help I can get shifting gears so I'd need something slightly more modern like the TKX
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 06/28/2211:27 AM
Transmissions are available Yes the price is now $7,000.00 - there is a significant cost increase to manufacture and some new vendors are online improving the dimensional tolerances of the parts Many would would like it outsourced to china for a lower price etc just to be cheap.
Quit whining, step up or stay on the porch.
I just spent a day in Capser WI with John Huff as we have known each other thru mopars since the Car Craft Street Machine Nationals 1983. Small world btw John has really cool cars that get driven and the trans test cars are just as cool. I talked to Jamie after my visit as we know each other too... Really?
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/20/2201:11 PM
Originally Posted by 2fast4yourBrain
TKX still not proven on a mass scale
Neither is the 5SR/A855 5 spd, seems it's had more problems just "getting out of the gate", never mind functioning properly ..... I've read enough customer complaints on other forums with the 3 entities involved that it's not worth the investment IMHO
Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update - 08/20/2201:54 PM
You really can't get better than a Tremec as far as a reliable, mass produced aftermarket transmission goes. They have the facilities, the engineers, the track record, the distribution, the warranty, ... So what, with the TKX you have to cut one tiny slit in the sheet metal and weld a little strip of metal for clearance. You can get one at your front door tomorrow morning from 20 different retailers and it's warrantied and has replacement parts ready for order. Oh, it's almost half the price! And better.
Passon should have just stuck with selling repair and restoration items. I don't mean that in any derogatory way either. I buy from him with any need I have that he can provide for in the 4-speed and pedals areas.
Look forward to seeing some pics and trans info on your website eventually.
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I'd get in line for that job. 
in order to put the transmission in your car!
That is the first one that we did.
Somebody that's a little more Weird Al than me can finish it. 
I could have it in my car within 2 hours and burning rubber 
12.20-12.80 @113 mph, 3450 lbs with driver
now that is some funny sh*t....
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over. 
Disassembly mean NO WARRANTY. We will be working on fitment of the '64-66 A body cars next.
, you just lost 3 potential sales ...
, but still... 
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Shhhs....we are all sworn to secrecy! 
I did ask to be placed back into the rotation on the list and Jamie said no problem.
.....Transmission Porn! 
As for the rest of the trolls on here this is for you as well 
Go away.
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