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Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels #851629
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I have a 1973 Plymouth Satellite, current engine is a 360 with 727 trans.

My first question is on sway bars. What brands are highly recommended and what kind of shock pairings? Also, what do i need to check to see if my car is bolt on ready for the sway bars in front and back? I saw something about tabs on the lower control arm?

Then on wheels, what size are you guys running? What are your recommendations? I'm running some American Racing 15x7 in the front and 15x10 in the back. I'd like to go up to about 19 inch rims for the look (while still keeping some tire meat on them). Is staggered with 7" wide and 10" wide still sound good? Someone up here was telling me that in the snow: the wider the tire, the more likely ill slip on ice in the snowy winters...

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: 2ndopp] #851630
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Oh, and I'm replacing front bushings and all. Have had my heart set on PST Polygraphite for a long time, unless you guys know of better...

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: 2ndopp] #851631
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I have a 1973 Plymouth Satellite, current engine is a 360 with 727 trans.

My first question is on sway bars. What brands are highly recommended and what kind of shock pairings? Also, what do i need to check to see if my car is bolt on ready for the sway bars in front and back? I saw something about tabs on the lower control arm?

Then on wheels, what size are you guys running? What are your recommendations? I'm running some American Racing 15x7 in the front and 15x10 in the back. I'd like to go up to about 19 inch rims for the look (while still keeping some tire meat on them). Is staggered with 7" wide and 10" wide still sound good? Someone up here was telling me that in the snow: the wider the tire, the more likely ill slip on ice in the snowy winters...




I would not limit that heavy of a car with just 7" wide front rims. At minimum 8" with a 245 wide tire.

Personally 19" rims are very heavy and hurt handling, braking, and bearing wear. The only performance reason to run a rim that big is to clear like 15"-16" brake rotors. So stick with 17" and 18" rims.

Look at the Bilstien RCD shock line and see if they have something for your car.

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: autoxcuda] #851632
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For sway bars, bushings and shocks, I had great experience working with Firm Feel. Both parts and service are great. They offer lower cost KYB shocks and premium Bilstein. Some like KYB and some hate them. As far as I can tell, everybody who has choosen Bilstein loves them. I've got KYB and am satisfied.

PS: depending on what you are doing with the car, a set of good quality gas replacement shocks may serve very well - Monroe or Gabriel. Not as firm/harsh as KYB and not too expensive.

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Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: ahy] #851633
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For sway bars, bushings and shocks, I had great experience working with Firm Feel. Both parts and service are great. They offer lower cost KYB shocks and premium Bilstein. Some like KYB and some hate them. As far as I can tell, everybody who has choosen Bilstein loves them. I've got KYB and am satisfied.

PS: depending on what you are doing with the car, a set of good quality gas replacement shocks may serve very well - Monroe or Gabriel. Not as firm/harsh as KYB and not too expensive.




I agree. If you are just adding sway bars, KYB's are probably fine. But if you are adding bigger Torsion Bars, then start thinking about shocks. Especially with low profile tires.

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: 2ndopp] #851634
11/12/10 12:44 AM
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I think that '73 B body cars attach the front anti-sway bar to the strut rods, not the lower control arms. The late B body cars aren't very popular so you might have to hunt around to find sway bars. Most of those cars had bars from the factory so I'm surprised that yours doesn't.

Firm Feel should have what you need so I'd start there. They are one of the few vendors who have stuff for the B3 chassis.

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: 2ndopp] #851635
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The single best thing you can do to a 73-up B/R-body is solid K-member "isolators".

#2 is dumping the rear leaf iso-clamps

#3 are Koni shocks. Nothing else that will fit in the confined space up front can go stiff enough.

#4 - whatever you can do to take weight off the nose.

Then, all the usual stuff - sway bars, T-bars, bushings, etc.

Rick

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #851636
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Hotchkis. Bilsteins.

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: DennisH ] #851637
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You can use chevy shocks...
I put the edelbrock #33016 on front of my small tuna boat, a 79 R Body -same car as a 73 B body- and they work very well even though there is some difference in lengths. I have a ton of miles on this set up with no issues. I did test fit them without the torsion bars installed to ensure compatibility.

All you need to do is install a shock bolt sleeve in the bottom bushing and at the top shorten the lower bushing - see pic.

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #851638
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I could not find hotchkis or bilstein shock application for my car, I did find koni($99), but is says DO NOT USE on highway car- drag cars only.

The easy to find ones were the KYB GR2 shocks, but are these $20 shocks really much firmer? The low price is throwing me off.

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: 2ndopp] #851639
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Did you call Firm Feel?

Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: 2ndopp] #851640
12/31/10 12:28 AM
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Quote:

Someone up here was telling me that in the snow: the wider the tire, the more likely ill slip on ice in the snowy winters...




Are you driving in the snow? Then its 15x6 with 205/70s on all 4 corners. Don't use larger diameters if you can help it.

On my late B I ran 17x8 in front with 245/45s and 18x10 out back with 285/40s. Of course it never saw snow.

Check out firm feel for all the suspension needs for your car. They are the ONLY ones that really support every nut and bolt. Rear sway bar will require new shock plates. Also, if your 73 doesn't have a factory sway bar, check to see it has the sway bar pedestal holes ON THE K-FRAME. They are essentially gussets (level with the ground) with holes in them. Like others have said, they bolt with brackets to your strut arms.

As for shocks, listen to Tom Quad. Look at GM A-body shocks for the front. use either bilstein or Konis. Do not use drag shocks. Koni did make some reds for the 73+ chassis long ago, but the fronts are discontinued for some time now. Rears are still available. You may be able to use the GM fronts if they are available still.

Also, like Rick said ditch the iso-crap system. Solid isolators in the front for the K and T-bar x-member, and go to a 71-72 style suspension in the rear. Complete bolt in.


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Re: Performance: Sway Bars and Wheels [Re: cudazappa] #851641
12/31/10 03:17 AM
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As said check ith Firm Feel they make some nice stuff. I have one of their bars on my 66 Dart and the fit and fuction was great!







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