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Re: R3 block questions [Re: DaKuda] #844667
11/04/10 06:50 PM
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Here you go...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHRYSLER-...sQ5fAccessories




Looks like an early Pro Stock Truck block


Alan Jones
Re: R3 block questions [Re: mafo] #844668
11/04/10 08:03 PM
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do you have any info on weight?
ritter vs R3




I dont have that info right off hand.
But im sure RyanJ does. He is in contact with Kent.

Re: R3 block questions [Re: tubtar] #844669
11/04/10 08:05 PM
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If you are buying one from a private party and not able to lay eyes on it , make sure that it has provisions for wet sump oiling if you intend to go down this road.
Some also came with no motor mounts and some had lightening holes in the bell housing area than may prove problematic for tech if you go drag racing with it.
Cam bores are for R-3 ony babbit bearings , 50 m.m. roller and 60 m.m. roller.
I haven't seen SBF mains , but it doesn't surprise me at all.
The book " How to build big inch small block MoPars " goes into a lot of R-3 details.
Shady Dell's web site has a lot of info on them and the W heads too.
I believe Indy 360's can be had with the extra head bolt bosses too.
I like what I am seeing from the Ritter camp.
Very nice indeed.




I have converted an external pump block over to internal. Just need to know where to put the holes and a rear main cap or know how to fix the cap that's in it. The lightened bell housing does not pose any problems with NHRA tech as long as your flywheel or flexplate is SFI cert. My current R3 block has small ford mains. And the bosses for stock engine mount brackets are gone. Saved me a lot of trouble not to have to cut them off. That is called the lightening program.

Leon


Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
Re: R3 block questions [Re: Leon441] #844670
11/04/10 08:20 PM
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We did weigh it and with a 4.150 bore I think is was right at 211lbs and my new R block w/3.91 bore was 206lbs.

Re: R3 block questions [Re: Hitman340] #844671
11/04/10 08:52 PM
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It was.......

XR block.
9.610" deck
50mm cam tunnel
340 mains
Wedge bolt pattern

225 lbs with 4.150 bores

R block (water)
9.560" deck
Std babbit 48º
340 mains (Diamond 4-bolt caps)

220 lbs. with 3.900" bores


Re: R3 block questions [Re: 80arrow] #844672
11/04/10 09:33 PM
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The wet sump oiling is a good thing to keep in mind.


I drilled one also, Made a jig off a production block & drilled away!

Re: R3 block questions [Re: S/ST 3040] #844673
11/04/10 10:20 PM
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Thanks Vic,I guess thats why Your building the engine and I stick to the Fab work.

Re: R3 block questions [Re: S/ST 3040] #844674
11/04/10 10:34 PM
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XR2 (P7 heads) 3.89 bore, 9.20 deck 237 lbs....

The XR2's are little heavier than the XR1's due to 6 journal cam & few other things specialized to it.

It's since been CNC lightened & bushed for Keyway Jesels & taken to 9.08 deck & 4.175 bore. I'll have it out of CNC & get some pics & a final weight on it here in couple days & will post.

The XR blocks are most definitely heavier than an R series block. Kent's ritter racing logo alone is probably 2 LBS LOL

Both blocks are good pieces, but until a few things are cleaned up on the XR's & as long as the R3's are still readily avail I'll continue using R3's. I've got 6 new latest generation siamese 48* tall deck R3's in shop @ moment, all for "big" inch combo's this winter. The last generation of 673AD R3 blocks have really proven to be great pieces, MP cleaned up & fixed almost all notorious issues with them, & other than a little tight on the cam tunnels, these things have proven to be great blocks to work with lately.

On the billet main cap deal I think they are a little over-rated to be honest now that I've seen some big power nodular iron cap stuff live just fine for couple years under harsh abuse. I have a N20 434 inch W9 motor in shop right now that was never dynoed, but runs 9 teens on motor & has been 5.20's 1/8, 8.20's 1/4 on a 300 shot in a 5 speed Liberty car, steel rod motor so it "shocks" bottom end pretty hard on the spray.... Block has about 275 passes on it.... Stock R3 4 bolt 340 main nodular caps & ARP Studs... does not exhibit any unusual cap walk (more than you'd expect) & so far no cap problems.

Not saying the nodular caps are the greatest thing out there, but I think too many people think they need Billet caps when they probably don't, although overkill rarely hurts. Real difference in cost of the XR VS R3 is purely sitting in those main caps. I just wish Kent could have found a way to do iron caps for a lower $ version & offered the billet caps as an upgrade & get the XR in the $2400-$2500 range, they would sell way better. I know it sounds stupid, but that extra $500 turns off alot of prospective customers, even on a $20K engine build, people are weird sometimes.

But from what I've seen basically any R3, or XR block will take more power than you can ever put through them. I've yet to see a race block fail by itself... always something else goes wrong inside engine to hurt one.

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