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anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/24/10 11:19 PM
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Any one using a dry sump set up on a big bock mopar in a stock frame A body??
Pictures??
I am trying to imagine how to fit one in, and can't see it...
Cheers,
Arnie
67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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#838000
10/25/10 03:54 AM
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no BB here but we relocated the pump to passenger side ... not easy but I found no other way... we had to make a new pump bracket but I m sure there is pumps that are made to fit on the right side 
-65 Valiant,420", all motor,2700#, dot tires, 8,42 @ 160,2
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/25/10 10:57 PM
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passenger side is full... 16V alternator and 4 gallon fuel cell tucked between the factory frame rails.
I have both the belt drive fuel pump and a vacuum pump on the drivers side mounted to the motor plate.
Anyone with a dry sump picture installed?
Thanks,
Arnie
67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/27/10 07:35 AM
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How much benefit the dry sump in the narrow Y block gives anyway?
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/27/10 11:15 AM
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Well kind of been my question. I have considered making the switch in the past ut dont see a huge benefit on a BB Mopar. I discussed this with my engine guy and he agreed, a good working pump on a BB Mopar is more than adequate for my power level.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/28/10 01:08 AM
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Thanks for the links Cudafied! I will contact them and see what i can learn.
Hey Al, Chuck Senatore in his book claimed it could be worth around 30HP on a BB Mopar for a dry sump due to reduced windage...
I may not go this way, but first wanted to know if it even fits...
B1 Johnny got any pics??
Cheers,
Arnie
67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/28/10 01:12 AM
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IMO a good oil pan is worth 20hp over what I typically see on BB Mopar racecars. I am amazed by the number of guys using old school pans on thei race cars. Just sayin...
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/28/10 06:52 PM
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Maybe look into the Razor Dry Sump Pump it is driven like a stock big block pump no belt I think it fits closer to the block so it may give you more room. B1Johnny is running one on his engine.
Here are links to Missle and Razor
http://missileent.com
http://www.razorperformance.com/chrysler.htm
Paul
I am interested in going dry sump as well. I talked to Steve from Missle Ent. @ the US Nat'l. He seems like a straight up kinda guy that will provide personal service. I can't vouch for his product, but I am considering it. If anyone is using his stuff, Id like to hear from them.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/28/10 07:13 PM
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depth is not the deciding factor in a pan. scrapers, baffels and trays do the work because most all the turmoil is above the pan line in our shrouded crankcases.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/29/10 02:04 AM
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I am no oil pan guru. I have talked this over with my engine guy a coupe of times. He feels there is no need for one on a BB Mopar making the power I do. He feels that a good pump and well designed pan will work fine and not cost any power. With that in mind we have a new pan and the same pump again now. The only real change to the pan being a bid side kickout to help control oil in suspension. Mine has the usual trap doors, scraper, windage tray and kickout.
There is no question in my mind that there is HP in oil pans. Those Milodon, Moroso, Source pans I see are no better than a stock pan IMO. Go talk with Comp or heck even Stock elimiator guys I think you will find they will agree there is power in oil pans. While I agree dry sumps have a place just not sold that there is going to be any big power increase over a properly set up wet sump system.I was willing to drop the money but was convinced otherwise with what I had.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/29/10 02:57 AM
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I am no oil pan guru. I have talked this over with my engine guy a coupe of times. He feels there is no need for one on a BB Mopar making the power I do. He feels that a good pump and well designed pan will work fine and not cost any power. With that in mind we have a new pan and the same pump again now. The only real change to the pan being a bid side kickout to help control oil in suspension. Mine has the usual trap doors, scraper, windage tray and kickout.
There is no question in my mind that there is HP in oil pans. Those Milodon, Moroso, Source pans I see are no better than a stock pan IMO. Go talk with Comp or heck even Stock elimiator guys I think you will find they will agree there is power in oil pans. While I agree dry sumps have a place just not sold that there is going to be any big power increase over a properly set up wet sump system.I was willing to drop the money but was convinced otherwise with what I had.
I believe that there is definately power in a dry sump over a wet sump in all out race engines. Unfortunately, as you.ve mentioned , the skirting really raises hell with windage and negates some of the gain in a Mopar.
When the Hemi99 engine was still in developement the biggest single issue they faced was the skirted blocks and windage problems. There's a reason they removed the skirt on one side on the skirted blocks and ran a huge kick out. Here's a picture of the dry sump pan for my Hemi, notice anything strange? 
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/29/10 11:13 AM
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Ya know I wonder if AndyF ever tested this on the dyno? I know he has a dry sump system and makes some parts for them, just wonder if he ever did any testing with various wet sump systems vs dry sump. Might be interesting to see exactly what is there with a good dry sump vs a good wet sump engine with a good vacuum pump on it.
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/29/10 12:39 PM
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One thing to think of with a dry sump when it comes to additional power is if you have a wet sump system with NO VACUME PUMP, the dry sump pump will make vacume in the motor if it is sealed up  I have heard that from more than one racer who has ran both, one of them has done it both ways, wet with a vacume pump and dry without, no noticeable power increase either way  EDIT wet sump with a vacume pump makes more power than a wet sump without a vacume pump 
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/29/10 03:59 PM
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When I bought my 540, I didnīt buy the 5-stage Verdi pump and tank that the he had used, just the oil pan and the pump mount. I already had a 3-stage Weaver pump from an old engine. I did this, only to save some money. But an open oil pan with only two scavenge sections didnīt work any good, I had more than half the oil in the pan, while running the motor. Two friends of mine gave me a good advice, to put in slots like louvers. After that, I had a lot more oil in the tank, instead of the pan. I would like to try to add one row more. 
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Re: anyone w/ dry sump in a BB A body?
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10/29/10 09:10 PM
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Hereīs how the pan looked like with two of the four suctions removed.
So I'm curious, do run a vacuum pump with your 3 stage? Would a vacuum pump be necessary with a 4 stage?
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