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MPG 318 VS 360 #837385
10/24/10 10:27 AM
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If you had 2 engines, a 318 and a 360 and both were built back to 1972 factory specs, what do you think the MPG difference would be?

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1966 Plymouth valiant, 833 O/D trans, 8 3/4 with 3.23 gears.

Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: The Sphinx] #837386
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The 318 should get a little better, I would think. Not a geat difference, but a little. My families 72 2 door satellite got about 24 hwy mpg out of the 318.

Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: The Sphinx] #837387
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At the low rpm you're going to be holding, I'd stuff the 318 in there.
For some reason the 360 has never returned the mileage of the 318.


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Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: The Sphinx] #837388
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I can't say for 1972 specs,
but in Jan of 1997
Popular Mechanics magazine
had reader's surveys
.. first one on Dodge Rams
... then a few years later on Durangos

In the Ram survey,
owners reported the
1.8 MPG on the highway better
on the 5.2 versus the 5.9 V8s.

http://web.archive.org/web/2005103120593...?page=3&c=y

I don't have the Durango one bookmarked,
but i think the MPG difference was smaller,
maybe 0.75

Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: 360view] #837389
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The 360 has lower compression, bigger cam, bigger ports(slower ports) so the gas miledge will be even a bigger differance than the magnum motors that share the same heads with just slightly different cams and compression.

If you built them to similar specs then the differance would be smaller but the 318 would still get better mpg.


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Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: The Sphinx] #837390
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I had 318 on my mind from the beginning. My goal is to make something equivalent to a feather duster with the MPG and dependability. I think the 2 extra cylinders to feed will be a trade off to the weight reduction of the earlier body. The next trade will be replacing the 2 bbl with a thermoquad with the smaller primaries. I'll just have to remember to keep my right foot out of the back 2 barrels.

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360 is bigger bore and longer stroke which suxs more gas

its a no brainer for MPGS

thats another reason the 318 is called whimpy,smaller bore and shorter stroke is less torque

little hoter cam,small 4-v,headers does a 318 good and still gets better mpgs over a 360 stock or built

A q-jet works very good on a 318 for MPGS also


Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: The Sphinx] #837392
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why build to factory specs?

I'd copy hotroddave's super duper MPG 318 build, or if you want a hydraulic cam, I'd start with a magnum 318, use KB167's at 0 deck, and run a reground cam with bullet cam's
HR259/316 lobe on both the intake and exhaust.

http://www.bulletcams.com/Masters/HRlobes.htm


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Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: scratchnfotraction] #837393
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Quote:

360 is bigger bore and longer stroke which suxs more gas

its a no brainer for MPGS





That is why the question asked is what would be the difference, implying that there would be a known difference

Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: patrick] #837394
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Quote:

why build to factory specs?

I'd copy hotroddave's super duper MPG 318 build, or if you want a hydraulic cam, I'd start with a magnum 318, use KB167's at 0 deck, and run a reground cam with bullet cam's
HR259/316 lobe on both the intake and exhaust.

http://www.bulletcams.com/Masters/HRlobes.htm




Because the 318 in question is already built.

Re: MPG 318 VS 360 [Re: The Sphinx] #837395
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My experience has been the 318 gets better mileage. I've had two 360s myself one and LA and the other 5.9 Magnum in a truck.

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Quote:

Quote:

why build to factory specs?

I'd copy hotroddave's super duper MPG 318 build, or if you want a hydraulic cam, I'd start with a magnum 318, use KB167's at 0 deck, and run a reground cam with bullet cam's
HR259/316 lobe on both the intake and exhaust.

http://www.bulletcams.com/Masters/HRlobes.htm




Because the 318 in question is already built.




I'd at least swap the cam to a lunati voodoo 60400, and the carb to a 4bbl w/a 600 eddie or a small q-jet/tquad...


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