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09/26/10 04:49 PM
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Currently have a 600 Eddy on a mild 318. If I went to a Holley 700 or 750 double pumper will I get much of an improvement?


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Re: carb change [Re: rockerbob] #814999
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I'm sure the 750dp would be overkill. For WOT if your manifold vac is over 1 in hg you can use a bigger carb as the venturis are the restriction in the inlet path. In your case I'd take the top off the eddy 600 and trim the counterweights on the butterfly assy to make it come in sooner & see if that helps (or hurts) you. That will tell you which way to go. You want to attack the most restricted part of the overall air pump (eng) which is usually the ex


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I'd try a Thermo-quad, they will wake up most stock to mildly built 318's and deliver more economy and power over an AFB on an engine like yours.



*And I agree with Robert, it's all about removing "corks", if your exhaust (or any other componant) is restrictive improving it will likely result in the largest gain.

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ok thanks guys


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Re: carb change [Re: rockerbob] #815002
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Need to know the rest of the setup.That being said a mild 318 should respond well to a Holley 600 vacuum secondary with the choke flap removed and some secondary spring tuning.
I agree a well tuned thermoquad is the best choice.

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On a mild 318 I doubt you'll see any improvement by changing carbs. You you bought a tuning kit and dialed in that eddy carb?

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Need to know the rest of the setup.That being said a mild 318 should respond well to a Holley 600 vacuum secondary with the choke flap removed and some secondary spring tuning.
I agree a well tuned thermoquad is the best choice.




Well its a strip only car. I have not done anything to the Eddy. I called a prominent converter co. Was talking to the guy about my combination. He recomended me a convert & said my carb was too small. I have had several guys at the track tell me I should try a 750 Holley. I also talked with a local Mopar guru who also said for a strip only car to try a 750 vac secondary carb. Also have seen 2 post on the race section where guys swaped to a larger (750) carb on a 318 & got nice improvments. So just thought I'd run it on here & see what the opinions where on it.


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Need to know the rest of the setup.That being said a mild 318 should respond well to a Holley 600 vacuum secondary with the choke flap removed and some secondary spring tuning.
I agree a well tuned thermoquad is the best choice.




Well its a strip only car. I have not done anything to the Eddy. I called a prominent converter co. Was talking to the guy about my combination. He recomended me a convert & said my carb was too small. I have had several guys at the track tell me I should try a 750 Holley. I also talked with a local Mopar guru who also said for a strip only car to try a 750 vac secondary carb. Also have seen 2 post on the race section where guys swaped to a larger (750) carb on a 318 & got nice improvments. So just thought I'd run it on here & see what the opinions where on it.




You will get all kinds of different answers when it comes to picking a carb, so its just hit & miss, i will give you my , i would'nt go any bigger then a 650dp.


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yep,opinions are like,well,you know. i can't see a mild 318 using anything bigger than a 600. the holley would be better suited for the strip over the eddy. you could stick the 750 on it,and it will run great,but,as the evening,and the rounds go on,as the barometer drops,your dial-in will suffer as the excess fuel/better air will cause the car to pick up.....

Re: carb change [Re: superbyrd] #815007
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If you think a Thermoquad is over carburetiong that combo you should read this thread and check out the magazine article linked to it. Big Carb small engine

*BTW, Thermoquads came stock on ALLOT of small blocks in the 70's, 800 cfm Thermoquads......

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Yeah but they have that tiny primary side. The big Holley as you know is a squarebore.


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Re: carb change [Re: Ghoste] #815009
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Yeah but they have that tiny primary side




That's right, so they work great when the engine has low fuel needs as well as high fuel needs. I'm not saying a TQ is the best choice for ultimate horse power (but in this case it very well could be) what I'm saying is that carb size related to engine size/cubes is not always what it may seem on the surface.

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Absolutely, and I would never presume to tell you anything about carbs (your reputation speaks for itself). It was just that the last statement about putting lots of 800cfm TQ's on smallblocks could have lead someone into thinking there was no harm in sticking something like the 850 Holley dp on their 273 or something.
Not correcting you, just clarifying for some might be a better way for me to put it?


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Re: carb change [Re: Ghoste] #815011
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A strip-only mild 318? What kind of heads and cam? Stock 318 heads flow so little they won't be able to do any more flow than a 600 can provide.

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A strip-only mild 318? What kind of heads and cam? Stock 318 heads flow so little they won't be able to do any more flow than a 600 can provide.




It has junk yard 360 heads & a Mopar Purple shaft cam. .455 lift. THink I'm going to try a 700 to 750 Holley. As for the car picking up in the late rounds as the temp cools. Thats not a problem. All the tracks I run at you are allowed to change your dial up till you cross the commit line (just before the burn out box). And I deffantely want the car to pick up. If it doesnt work I can allways put the eddy back on.


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