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i still stand by my other post here. there is so little actual info about the 514 it's almost as if it was written that way on purpose.
why not show some actual data? personally i wouldn't car if it made 600 hp or 1100 hp. you don't need to do it to prove anything, but when someone throws out HP and Torque numbers it sure would be nice to see the dyno data so people can read, absorb and learn from it.

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X2..... I've asked something like 6 TIMES and still no answer to why there's no dyno sheet so we can check out things like BSFC numbers and the only reply so far has been "It is easy for those little sensors to get messed up and it is expensive to calibrate them so I don't really worry about it much. I don't worry about fuel economy with this engine, we just fill the tank up with race gas when it gets low."

It's not about fuel economy..... it's about how effecient that motor is (which it, obviously, takes a pretty effecient motor to make that much HP with the parts it has).....AND if it's easy for "those little sensors to get messed up", maybe the little sensor that spits out how much HP it's making is "messed up".....

I'll say it again by quoting myself;

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Am I the only one that thinks Andy is ONE BAD-AZZ engine builder.....or that dyno is about 100HP HAPPY??????........ ......It'd be interesting to actually see some real proof.....

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That's a nice way of giving him the benefit of the doubt......

Andy, POINT BLANK, again......I'm assuming there are motors out there that have been on that dyno with comparable numbers that have actually been raced, so it'd be interesting to find out what MPH they run and at what weight?????

If you can't come up with any, then it'd be great if you'd stop posting max HP numbers and focus more on just HP differences between the parts you change, which is still interesting.......

Just my opinion and a few, very simple, questions.......

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Where the dyno numbers (to me) are particularly interesting is, for example...where in the curve does the Jesel rocker gear start picking up the TQ/HP....is it at a (street useable) 4000rpm or is is only in the 5200 and up area?

This is what is useful to the guys that are trying to learn and apply things...it's sort of like Engine Masters magazine....they don't post dyno numbers for the contests or any useful tech....so what the heck is the point for gearheads (like ourselves) to buy a magaizine (supposedly produced and geared toward appealling to the more tech-saavy reader) if it doesn't tell us anything of use? I think sponsors of the magazines put pressure onthe editors to dumb down the content compared to years past...the idea is to promote the builders and the parts they sell and keep the "sausage" (how to actually do it) a "Black Magic" mystery.....they're missing the boat and I see a direct correlation between the progressive lack of technical content in magazines to the lack of PAGES those magazines now contain There are thicker hand-outs inthe Sunday paper than there are in most magazines today, but that's O/T though somehow a bit related to the point i'm trying to express.

The pay-off to Dyno time and technical analysis of the data, is after all...THE ANALYSIS! Not taking anything away from Andy, but for example, I love the posts guys like Ryan and Fast68 do for us, I'd gladly pay a share of the dyno time to have access to that kind of information!

Andy, please keep it up, but also remember your audience here...As said, I would gladly be willing to kick-in a portion of dyno time (as others would I'm sure)...if the hard-core tech (that we all care most about) can come along with it.

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How about paying for some of my dyno time I have two motors that have beed dyno tested, one pump gas 518 and one race gas 527 C.I bracket motor that I have switched heads on between the two. SR with stock Indy valve sizes and 440-1 with 2.25 intakes I switched 440-1 from the 518 to the 527 and SR onto the 518 pump gas motor from the 527 bracket motor $500.00 dollars a day for dyno time in Kalmath Falls, OR on a DTS and the same amount per day in Madras, OR on a Studka that is now calibrated All assistance gracefully accepted

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How about paying for some of my dyno time I have two motors that have beed dyno tested, one pump gas 518 and one race gas 527 C.I bracket motor that I have switched heads on between the two. SR with stock Indy valve sizes and 440-1 with 2.25 intakes I switched 440-1 from the 518 to the 527 and SR onto the 518 pump gas motor from the 527 bracket motor $500.00 dollars a day for dyno time in Kalmath Falls, OR on a DTS and the same amount per day in Madras, OR on a Studka that is now calibrated All assistance gracefully accepted

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I'm your Huckleberry!

Now let's see who else will pony up...I'm sure a few others will

The "catch" is if you can't get enough 'contributors' to at least knock your cut of the dyno time in 1/2 (1/2 or $250 out of pocket would be pretty reasonable, right?) you only PM or E-mail the data to those who kicked-in

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I'm your Huckleberry!

Now let's see who else will pony up...I'm sure a few others will

The "catch" is if you can't get enough 'contributors' to at least knock your cut of the dyno time in 1/2 (250 out of pocket would be pretty reasonable, right?) you only PM or E-mail the data to those who kicked-in

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If I was to get half I would share that information like all of those that helped wanted me to Some help, especially in this economy being retired, is way better than none

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I'm your Huckleberry!

Now let's see who else will pony up...I'm sure a few others will

The "catch" is if you can't get enough 'contributors' to at least knock your cut of the dyno time in 1/2 (250 out of pocket would be pretty reasonable, right?) you only PM or E-mail the data to those who kicked-in


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If I was to get half I would share that information like all of those that helped wanted me to Some help, especially in this economy being retired, is way better than none

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PM sent...Check or PayPal?

Now let's see who else is in...

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Quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm your Huckleberry! Now let's see who else will pony up...I'm sure a few others will The "catch" is if you can't get enough 'contributors' to at least knock your cut of the dyno time in 1/2 (250 out of pocket would be pretty reasonable, right?) you only PM or E-mail the data to those who kicked-in  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------If I was to get half I would share that information like all of those that helped wanted me to  Some help, especially in this economy being retired, is way better than none     

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PM sent...Check or PayPal?Now let's see who else is in...

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I don't want to steal any more of Andys post so maybe it is time for another, seperate posts, on sharing information, dyno costs and the results and who wil get that information

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As long as you leave the dyno set up the same for each test it don't matter what the numbers are. The diffrences will still show up and should be real world numbers.

Wile the other guys want the dyno info I'd just like to see a few pics of the plugs to see how it's burnin

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I wasnt there to see Andy dyno the 514 but, I race super dirt late models in the pacific northwest and run a sb2.2 alum. 415ci. that came from a very reputable engine builder from back east that claims it to have made 850hp. We installed it on the dyno that Andy uses and it made 762hp. There are alot of alum dirt late model motors built at this shop and most make 700 to 730hp in 430ci. arrangement. These motors will run with any dirt late model motors anywhere and alot of those supposedly make over 800hp dyno'd hp. Im posting this to verify what I know about this dyno and it is known locally to be stingy compared to other known ones in the area. Im not trying to the pot. Just giving my opinion of the dyno.

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