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Oil pressure loss at WOT #795302
09/07/10 09:55 AM
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65 Belvedere II 440 mild Comp. Extreme Energy cam. Edelbrock Alum heads and intake. Windage tray installed.
Front end raises considerably, wheels stay down.

50# oil @ idle
70-75# oil @ maild acceleration.
Zero oil @ wide open throttle. I back off throttle immediately. 3-4 seconds later pressure returns.
Mopar Action October 2009 pg 56 talks about a Moroso oil accumulator.
Any thoughts

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: YellowCoronet] #795303
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What type of pan do you have? How much oil
does it hold? Is there a baffle at the rear of the sump?
Sounds like pick-up is sucking air.

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: YellowCoronet] #795304
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You are uncovering the pickup , this is NOT GOOD , an accumulator would just be a bandaid covering your real problem . How many times have you done this ?

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: JohnRR] #795305
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A bandaid would be add an extra quart of oil.

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: JohnRR] #795306
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Quote:

You are uncovering the pickup , this is NOT GOOD <<<Snip>>>. How many times have you done this?




This is the most likly problem! There are fixes but they are not easy or cheap.
1. Ditch the high volumn oil pump if your using one.
2. Install a baffeled 8 quart pan. But run only 5 to 6 quarts.
3. Install a crank scraper.
4. Drill out all fhe oil gallerys to a larger size.
5. Clean all the oil return passages so the oil can return faster.
6. Run the thinest oil that will get the job done. 10W30 should do fine for 99% of us.

There are more ways too. Those I have listed above are not in any order of importance.

Take the crank scraper, at 6000 RPM you would have about 1.5 quarts or more of oil stuck around that spinning crank. A windage tray will actualy compound that as the crank has a close fitting shroud around it. Now add a well designed windage tray with a scraper and all that oil gets scooped off and back into the pan. And a baffeled pan will keep that oil from sloshing around and down on the pickup.

A pin hole in the pickup tube anywhere before the oil pump will cause cavation too.

These are just my opinions. Others have opinions too and I respect thier rights to express them. These oil problems will bring out a bunch of opinions.


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Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: Dave_J] #795307
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It could be as simple as having the pickup tube in the wrong position.

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Thanks for the response and comments.

Some additional information is:

Stock Chrysler pan. No stamping number, 5 quart. Don't know about the baffle.
Pick up is at the front of pan. Only position it will go in with the windage tray in place.

WOT from 20-25 MPH no loss of oil pressure.

Loss of oil pressure is only from stopped or a slow roll.

Mild to medium throttle from stopped or very slow roll is no loss of oil pressure.

This happened twice. Yes I know that is two times too many. The first time was the first hole shot I attempted. The second was an experiment from a slow roll.

Some of the information I have read indicates accumulators are common place in race cars.

All of your responses have started me thinking and planning. So keep them coming.

If you must feel free to tell me that I have a problem (which is WHAT I posted) and how bad it is(which is WHY I posted it), but hopefully you will finish your comments with some helpful information.

Thanks

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: YellowCoronet] #795309
09/08/10 02:22 AM
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I have the same problem with my 340 in my Demon...I just run a quart high. Hi volume pump, I suspect it's sucking the pan dry with all the oil being forced to the back of the pan. I'll fix it next time I have the motor out...

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: Hotwheelsjr] #795310
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my 71 fury GT did that once but it was after an off idle throttle BLIP and brake so i know it needs a baffled pan... good luck better ck the bearings while you are in there... dan

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: YellowCoronet] #795311
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get a deeper pan and pick up easily changed in the car and well worth it way better to have a baffled 8 quart with 7 quarts in it than a 5 quart with 6 quarts in it!

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/brb8qrt7deep.html

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Quote:

Thanks for the response and comments.

Some additional information is:

Stock Chrysler pan. No stamping number, 5 quart. Don't know about the baffle.


If you must feel free to tell me that I have a problem (which is WHAT I posted) and how bad it is(which is WHY I posted it), but hopefully you will finish your comments with some helpful information.

Thanks




That pan more than likely has no baffle , you are uncovering the pickup , loss of oil pressure means you have no oil flowing to where it needs to be which is EVERYWHERE , the worst parts that will get damaged are your crank bearings because once you loss that hydrostatic barrier you have metal to metal contact, NOT GOOD .

One thing you need to think about is do you want an oilpan hanging 3 or 4 inches below the K frame where it is susceptible to hitting the ground ?

how was that ??? ...

Re: Oil pressure loss at WOT [Re: Hotwheelsjr] #795313
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Thanks to all.

I've tried the sugestion Hotwheels jr gave me. I am happy to say it worked. It is definately not the final solution as he pointed out, but it has given me room to breathe.
Thanks to Hotwheelsjr.

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