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coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? #788805 08/30/10 10:30 PM 08/30/10 10:30 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,572 wisconSIN B Blown61 OP pro stock
Blown61 OP pro stock B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,572 wisconSIN	does anyone make this?

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: Blown61] #788806 08/30/10 10:47 PM 08/30/10 10:47 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Don't think you can do it with stock uppers.. done with stock lower. all the time.

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: VernMotor] #788807 08/30/10 10:49 PM 08/30/10 10:49 PM
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Blown61 OP pro stock B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,572 wisconSIN	How does that work with taking the torsion bar out? any pics of this?

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: VernMotor] #788808 08/30/10 10:50 PM 08/30/10 10:50 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc E earthmover top fuel
earthmover top fuel E Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc	dont fred have coilovers on 1 of his cars with stock a-arms i think he posted a pic before

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: VernMotor] #788809 08/31/10 02:42 AM 08/31/10 02:42 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama M Monte_Smith master
Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Quote: Don't think you can do it with stock uppers.. done with stock lower. all the time. Sure you can, plenty of room. My GTX had stock uppers. Monte

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: Monte_Smith] #788810 08/31/10 02:50 AM 08/31/10 02:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,006 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,006 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Stock uppers and lowers both in my dart. 6168498-dartpics014.jpg (506 downloads) 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: earthmover] #788811 08/31/10 03:32 AM 08/31/10 03:32 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: dont fred have coilovers on 1 of his cars with stock a-arms i think he posted a pic before home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788812 08/31/10 09:03 AM 08/31/10 09:03 AM
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Blown61 OP pro stock B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,572 wisconSIN	What holds the back of the lower? where the torsion bar used to go into it? or does it matter?

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: Blown61] #788813 08/31/10 09:14 AM 08/31/10 09:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,006 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,006 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	To eliminate the torsion bar the stock lower control arm needs some form of support on both sides for strength. I pushed the stock stuff out and went to a steel on steel bushing for a GM roundy round suspension application and made a bracket that would support both front and back of the control arm. 6168658-dartpics009.jpg (495 downloads) 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: Blown61] #788814 08/31/10 11:32 AM 08/31/10 11:32 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: What holds the back of the lower? where the torsion bar used to go into it? or does it matter? mine has this simple support. the pin on my K is still used one thing also done was a bushing was made for the inside lower arm with the bolt hole off center by rotating the bushing it moves the arm in and out . This helped make the camber setting stay constant thru any travel. Along with the mounting points on my upper arms having been relocated my front alignment is the same on the ground as it is in the air.It thinks it's a strut home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788815 08/31/10 12:59 PM 08/31/10 12:59 PM
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Blown61 OP pro stock B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,572 wisconSIN	Quote: Quote: What holds the back of the lower? where the torsion bar used to go into it? or does it matter? mine has this simple support. the pin on my K is still used one thing also done was a bushing was made for the inside lower arm with the bolt hole off center by rotating the bushing it moves the arm in and out . This helped make the camber setting stay constant thru any travel. Along with the mounting points on my upper arms having been relocated my front alignment is the same on the ground as it is in the air.It thinks it's a strut Did you flip the spindles around for the rack and pinion?

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788816 08/31/10 02:34 PM 08/31/10 02:34 PM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: Did you flip the spindles around for the rack and pinion? no the lower ball joint arms are swapped side to side and are then in reversed position. the spindels are from an earlier disc set up which I believe is the Kelsey Hayes style and do not extend out as much when the length is measured. I need to make mention that the upper and lower A arms are from a B body home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788817 08/31/10 03:48 PM 08/31/10 03:48 PM
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mopowers master M Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,010 Sac, CA	Is supporting the rear of the LCA all that important? I have seen a few set-ups that didn't have a support other than just a bolt through to the LCA pin. Like this: http://hemiduster.com/coilover.htm That's how I was planning to do mine. Maybe I ought to re-think that plan.

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: mopowers] #788818 09/01/10 12:20 AM 09/01/10 12:20 AM
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Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: mopowers] #788819 09/01/10 12:25 AM 09/01/10 12:25 AM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: Is supporting the rear of the LCA all that important? I have seen a few set-ups that didn't have a support other than just a bolt through to the LCA pin. Like this: http://hemiduster.com/coilover.htm That's how I was planning to do mine. Maybe I ought to re-think that plan. I own that car and it hasn't fallen off yet home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788820 09/01/10 12:36 AM 09/01/10 12:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,791 Hamilton, Ontario Canada Magnum master
Magnum master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,791 Hamilton, Ontario Canada	I see a bolt back there. Maybe it's fastened to the lower control arm shaft to keep the arm from pushing towards the rear of the car. There is no way the arm will fall off. The front strut will not allow that but it may pull back a bit without the tension of the torsion bar on the hex. 69 Super Bee, 93 Mustang LX, 04 Allure Super

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: Magnum] #788821 09/01/10 12:42 AM 09/01/10 12:42 AM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: I see a bolt back there. Maybe it's fastened to the lower control arm shaft to keep the arm from pushing towards the rear of the car. exactly like the first picture of my other Duster home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788822 09/01/10 01:36 AM 09/01/10 01:36 AM
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Blown61 OP pro stock B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,572 wisconSIN	Quote: Quote: Is supporting the rear of the LCA all that important? I have seen a few set-ups that didn't have a support other than just a bolt through to the LCA pin. Like this: http://hemiduster.com/coilover.htm That's how I was planning to do mine. Maybe I ought to re-think that plan. I own that car and it hasn't fallen off yet What are the welds for???

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: Blown61] #788823 09/01/10 03:23 AM 09/01/10 03:23 AM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Youi would have to ask Dave since he did it IT'S pretty obvious it is needed for strength.Stops any flexing and keep it from spreading since there's no torsion bar pushing from behind home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: coil over front end with stock upper and lower a arms?? [Re: HEMIFRED] #788824 09/01/10 12:30 PM 09/01/10 12:30 PM
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mopowers master M Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,010 Sac, CA	Quote: Quote: Is supporting the rear of the LCA all that important? I have seen a few set-ups that didn't have a support other than just a bolt through to the LCA pin. Like this: http://hemiduster.com/coilover.htm That's how I was planning to do mine. Maybe I ought to re-think that plan. I own that car and it hasn't fallen off yet That's good to know. So I guess supporting the back side other than a (retaining bolt to the pin) isn't necessary.

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