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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #782838
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The dual stripes were only on the larger optional D78-14 fiberglass belted (T64.) This Valiant had the standard size 6.95-14 polyester with the optional single white stripe (T12.) The car had its original tires- we left the original spare in the trunk and found the other 4 n.o.s. They were pretty hard to find -Dave W. had to buy several sets to get the 4 we used. Mustangs used the 6.95-14 too so the Ford guys were helpful. Hope this helps - Dave.


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782840
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782842
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wow interesting to say the least. I wont be the one to ask who. Just sit here on the side line and watch as the moparts turns...Hey the wife can have her soap why can't I have mine!


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #782843
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Need another person to join your team? Only live in O'Fallon, drive a mopar, and will have a degree in animal science in December hopefully... All three of those are important.... Live close, check. Like mopars, check. Can help with the Road Runners, Barracuda's, Super Bee's and any other animal named car's, check. Have your people call my people

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782844
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How about this, lets put together a dream team with real life experiance and develope true juging criteria."




Dave,

Juging? If we need someone to judge jugs I'm all in. I'm a self proclaimed jugs expert. Be it A bodies, B bodies or C bodies. However my preference is for the D and DD bodies.

However I'm pretty sure that the majority of F bodies are reproductions.

Morty

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. *DELETED* [Re: ECS] #782845
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Since the show, some self proclaimed "experts" have stepped up to comment on aspects that we never thought would be an area of contention. They have claimed we did not use the correct (factory) valve cover gasket during the restoration. The pictures below show what we documented before taking the valve cover off of the engine. The "experts" claim we should have used a cork valve cover gasket. This vehicle had 9600 miles on it when the original owner (94 years old) died in 2004. They have expressed that the original "cork" gasket was replaced with an "incorrect rubber" unit. Here is what the "experts" must conclude in order for their observations to be accurate. "Who ever did the repair/replacement took the time to paint the edges and tabs of the rubber gasket just to match the paint on the engine. They then proceeded to touch up the valve cover bolts in order to make it look as if they were never removed."

Now why would anyone do this if they were replacing a valve cover gasket? Was the old Woman really concerned with her 4 door Slant Six Valiant maintaining the factory patina? Maybe the repair guy was trying to keep the car "OE correct" so he masked off the engine block and repainted the entire top side JUST so the gasket and bolts would look unmolested! (And these "experts" think I am the conspiracy theorist!) If you buy into this theory then you would have to conclude that ANY repair that involved a gasket replacement would be followed up with a repaint to hide the repair. How about the oil pan? The water pump? The timing cover? The thermostat housing? Would the service center have re-painted the gaskets after those fixes? The next thing I will be hearing is that this Valiant is a re-bodied fake with a re-stamped engine and transmission.

Anyway, take a look at the documented photos! The rubber coated wire holders have the exact same appearance (and color) as the the rubber tabs on the gasket. The PCV hose was also questioned because it didn't have "Gates" written on it. It does however still maintain the original white lettering it came with. The blue paint is visible in the end that was connected to the PCV valve. (The PCV valve had been replaced.) This is the SAME hose that we used for the restoration. Additionally, anyone can see that there is ONE thin coat of paint on the valve cover where the original paint has chipped away. The valve cover bolts still have the original paint that puddled around the washers. I also included photos of the NOS gasket kit that had the exact same rubber gasket and was a perfect match to the one we removed from the UNMOLESTED ENGINE! It is amazing the things some of the "experts" will say to cast doubt on something so straight forward and simple. Until now, I didn't realize that so many "heavy hitters" in the hobby had made it a point to research and document such mundane, low budget vehicles! ....and to think I thought our group was the first ones to research, document and restore a 4 door Slant Six Valiant to an OE level!?!









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Dave,
Are you sure, the engine should be orange
I do remember back in the day (1970-1984) working on these 6cyl,318 and 440 engines they had rubber gaskets.
They would leak alot but we always used Mopar replace rubber gaskets
Bob

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it's obvious the photos have been air brushed just like on a supermodel

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I do remember back in the day working on these 6cyl,318 and 440 engines they had rubber gaskets.




I forgot about that Bob! You actually worked on these cars back in the day. I don't know why some people take it upon themselves to contact magazine editors and express erroneous information or try and cast doubt about "provable" subject matters. (I actually do know but their petty insecurities are something they will never admit to.) You have to respect those who have nothing better to do than try and screw things up for others. Maybe they should use their idle time to fix their own vehicles!?! It would certainly keep them busy (instead of busybodies) and allow them to feel somewhat better about their own projects!

Thanks for the post Bob!

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it's obvious the photos have been air brushed just like on a supermodel





We have also been accused of that Alan. "Someone" mentioned that we might have taken the correct aspects of what we documented, made them look different than what we actually found and then posted the "phony" results. THAT is when you need to ask yourself if someone is !

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Asked dad and he to remembers the gaskets being rubber and that aftermarket ones would be cork. Oh and he has and still is a mechanic at the same dealership that he has been at for 45 years coming next year. He was doing work on these back when it was just to put food in my tummy so I beleive him as believe the other gentleman too.

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Asked dad and he to remembers the gaskets being rubber and that aftermarket ones would be cork.




Thanks for chiming in here guys! I have been more than surprised to find that a few "friends" have made it a point to talk to the Magazine that is covering the car and make sure that these "errors" were pointed out. They are such "good friends" but never had the decency to call and tell me what was boiling behind the scenes! To the contrary....they were actually part of the Gossip. Unbelievable to say the least. Many of these guys have preached about Chrysler vehicles being unique and how you can never say never with regards to how they were built. Then when I disclose some original DOCUMENTED characteristics, these same individuals suddenly do an about face and argue AGAINST the message that they have preached FOR YEARS! What I can't figure out is how they can say what is wrong but they can't SHOW anyone what is Right! Their typed words and opinions somehow trump the factual pictures that I consistently exhibit! I also find it amazing how they knew so much about this vehicle but NEVER had seen it before or during the restoration. I could bring a Chrysler Snow Runner to the Nationals and these "friends" would come out of the woodwork and claim that they had been researching and documenting THOSE vehicles for the past 30 years. I wonder what the real Target is for some of these "experts" and "friends"?!?

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" I could bring a Chrysler Snow Runner to the Nationals and these "friends" would come out of the
woodwork and claim that they had been researching and documenting THOSE vehicles for the past 30 years"



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FWIW, my '74 Dart had rubber gaskets originally. I still have them.

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We had 2 snow runners show up at
Tri County Chrysler/Plymouth in New Rochelle N.Y back in the day. The 2 Boss men took them to VT and we never saw them again
Bob

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Asked dad and he to remembers the gaskets being rubber and that aftermarket ones would be cork.




Thanks for chiming in here guys! I have been more than surprised to find that a few "friends" have made it a point to talk to the Magazine that is covering the car and make sure that these "errors" were pointed out. They are such "good friends" but never had the decency to call and tell me what was boiling behind the scenes! To the contrary....they were actually part of the Gossip. Unbelievable to say the least. Many of these guys have preached about Chrysler vehicles being unique and how you can never say never with regards to how they were built. Then when I disclose some original DOCUMENTED characteristics, these same individuals suddenly do an about face and argue AGAINST the message that they have preached FOR YEARS! What I can't figure out is how they can say what is wrong but they can't SHOW anyone what is Right! Their typed words and opinions somehow trump the factual pictures that I consistently exhibit! I also find it amazing how they knew so much about this vehicle but NEVER had seen it before or during the restoration. I could bring a Chrysler Snow Runner to the Nationals and these "friends" would come out of the woodwork and claim that they had been researching and documenting THOSE vehicles for the past 30 years. I wonder what the real Target is for some of these "experts" and "friends"?!?




I think the mopar hobby has become what the corvette hobby has been.


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Asked dad and he to remembers the gaskets being rubber and that aftermarket ones would be cork.




Thanks for chiming in here guys! I have been more than surprised to find that a few "friends" have made it a point to talk to the Magazine that is covering the car and make sure that these "errors" were pointed out. They are such "good friends" but never had the decency to call and tell me what was boiling behind the scenes! To the contrary....they were actually part of the Gossip. Unbelievable to say the least. Many of these guys have preached about Chrysler vehicles being unique and how you can never say never with regards to how they were built. Then when I disclose some original DOCUMENTED characteristics, these same individuals suddenly do an about face and argue AGAINST the message that they have preached FOR YEARS! What I can't figure out is how they can say what is wrong but they can't SHOW anyone what is Right! Their typed words and opinions somehow trump the factual pictures that I consistently exhibit! I also find it amazing how they knew so much about this vehicle but NEVER had seen it before or during the restoration. I could bring a Chrysler Snow Runner to the Nationals and these "friends" would come out of the woodwork and claim that they had been researching and documenting THOSE vehicles for the past 30 years. I wonder what the real Target is for some of these "experts" and "friends"?!?




I think the mopar hobby has become what the corvette hobby has been.




Bite your tongue.

Lets hope it never gets to that

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I think the mopar hobby has become what the corvette hobby has been.




That's because the Corvette owners are now buying and restoring MOPARS.....Ford guys too


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