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Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! #778657
08/19/10 11:34 PM
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Heres my problem I have ss springs competition engineering 3 way shocks that I here are crap and an adjustible pinion snubber. I got the car on tape and it just lifts up theres no squat in the rear. 69 4 speed charger crate hemi 500hp and M/T E/T street 275 60 15. I cant get cal tracs in time for the track any sugestions as to how I can work with this combo would be great. and i have tried with and without the snubber and it spinns right into 4th. thanks

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778658
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Yours should raise in the rear.... get the front to
lift as easy as possible... get some decent shocks
all the way around

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778659
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Good hooking leaf spring Mopars should lift the rear of the car up, not squat, lifting up the rear helps push the tires into the track Loose the pinion snubber, it is a bandaid at best, not a cure for the traction problem. Which SS spring are you using( the part number is on the springs behind the center bolt on the bottom leaf )BTw, what are you going to do on the broken rear end?


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Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778660
08/20/10 01:08 AM
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Hello Cape,

Over the years I have learned that traction in a car like yours is mainly in the front suspension and not the rear from guys like these. Get the front to rise properly and transfer the weight as needed.

Damon

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: mopardamo] #778661
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Thanks man. That makes sense

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The springs are 3800 ones and the gears they go in the shop tomorrow they were 4.10 but I think I'm going to switch to a 3.91. I had one guy tell me that 4.10 in a stick car is to much have u ever herd that?

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778663
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The springs are 3800 ones and the gears they go in the shop tomorrow they were 4.10 but I think I'm going to switch to a 3.91. I had one guy tell me that 4.10 in a stick car is to much have u ever herd that?




What rpm do you go through the traps at... you would
like to cross the line at 10% above your peak hp rpm

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778664
08/20/10 05:47 AM
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The springs are 3800 ones and the gears they go in the shop tomorrow they were 4.10 but I think I'm going to switch to a 3.91. I had one guy tell me that 4.10 in a stick car is to much have u ever herd that?



no i ran 456's and 488's in a heavy car


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Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778665
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I use to run a 1970 Hemi Cuda in NHRA stockback when we couldn't legally run after market leaf springs. I started racing it with 4.10 with 28 inch tall tires, I would shift into high gear about the 1200 ft. mark I treid 4.89 and ended up putting 5:13 in it with 29 inch tall slicks, I should have left the 4:10 in it and worked on the suspension Try clamping the front of the leaf springs first before switching anyting else on the rear, BTW did I tell you that you need a Dana 60, not a 8 3/4 Save your money now, buy the Dana and don't break the 8 3/4 agian


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Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cab_Burge] #778666
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Ya I know I need a Dana but why is it that some people are running low 10 to high 9s using a 8 3/4 is there any way to make mine bullet proof? Or is it different because they use an automatic and I'm a stick car. Do u know anyone selling a Dana?

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Ya I know I need a Dana but why is it that some people are running low 10 to high 9s using a 8 3/4 is there any way to make mine bullet proof? Or is it different because they use an automatic and I'm a stick car. Do u know anyone selling a Dana?




I run a 8 3/4 with a trans brake launching at 5600 BUT
my car is light.... weight is whats kills them...
if it cant spin just a little it will blow... JMO
A couple of thing that help them live is a back brace
and load studs coming in from the back of the housing
and touching the caps.... plus at least the one good
steel cap on the load side

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #778668
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I'll just try the psi at 15 I haven't tried it that low and I'll leave the snubber like an inch away from the floor. What's the lowest u can run them at

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778669
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wondering what shocks you have in front,is it a factory rubber under the upper control arm,is the ride ht set at factory spec?sounds like a cool car!

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I have the competition engineering 3 way adjustable shocks on all four corners the front set to 90/10 and the rear 50/50 and the rubber is still on the front and the front sits 11" off the ground from the oil pan. When the car launches it lifts up as much in the front as the back shouldn't the front be higher?

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a lot of veriables with the ht on launch.

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what shocks do you use. what suspension are u running f/r

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what shocks do you use. what suspension are u running f/r



i have CE 3 way in back,90/10 CE in front,ss 3800 springs in back,.990 torsion bars up front set to factory ht but race caster[?]1.44 60' spinning with M/T DR 295/60/15 w17.lbs air.i put new slicks on now as i want to max out my timeslip and can put DR on later for more testing.

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Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778674
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I have the competition engineering 3 way adjustable shocks on all four corners the front set to 90/10 and the rear 50/50 and the rubber is still on the front and the front sits 11" off the ground from the oil pan. When the car launches it lifts up as much in the front as the back shouldn't the front be higher?


Your oil pan bottom is 11 inches off the ground? Sounds like it sits high. May not have much upward travel left in the suspension.

Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: forphorty] #778675
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11" to the oil pan, no wonder your having a weight transfer problem. You probably have your car set to almost level which means you have to lower the rear and front to get the weight to transfer. I have about 4" to the pan on mine, and it's a 6" deep pan. Probably why I have to weld it up often.


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Re: Traction problems HELP!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cape] #778676
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I have the competition engineering 3 way adjustable shocks on all four corners the front set to 90/10 and the rear 50/50 and the rubber is still on the front and the front sits 11" off the ground from the oil pan. When the car launches it lifts up as much in the front as the back shouldn't the front be higher?




Take a floor jack and jack up the front... measure
the amount of travel... is this a off road 4X4

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