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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77462
07/31/08 12:53 AM
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Are you comparing NOS samples to assembly line, factory issue parts? If so, you will find that assembly line metal parts were usually not coated or protected due to their immediate use in production. The NOS parts that could/would end up on a shelf for months at a time usually had some form of protective coating in anticipation of not being installed for long periods of time. I hope I was clear as to the parts you had access to years ago. Were they replacement NOS pieces or were they manufactured as assembly line parts?

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If any of these have ever turned up as a "lunch box" type part, that is what I would like to see as it would settle this issue once in for all. To coat a bare metal part for protection because it isn't going to installed on a car coming down the assembly line, instead to go out and sit on a shelf as a replacement part makes all the sense in the world. However why would they have gone to the trouble of ecoating a raw casting prior to manufacture, just on parts that were destined to be replacement parts? It would have been far easier just to take a pallet of just assembled master cylinders that were slated to be replacement parts and spray a coating of paint on them for protection. That is what they did with all the disc brake Mopar cylinders.
E coating is significantly more expensive than painting. Also, since the casting is machined after the ecoating, surfaces such as the outlet facings, piston retainer screw boss face, and firewall side of the flange are machined and left raw metal, which of course is going to surface rust.
It just makes no sense that they would do this. And I worked in this industry and know firsthand that making ecoated parts for replacement and bare metal for assembly line would not be at all favorably viewed by the beancounters, QC, process engineers, industrial engineering or the actual workers in the assembly line.
Here is a picture of a 134th day of '68 dated example off a SW car. When I started to clean the surface rust away there was some ecoating left.

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: BS27ROB] #77463
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After some investigating the metal vs. the plastic clip, it might be a date issue. It is starting to appear that the earlier (before March 10th, 1970) cars used the plastic version and the later cars used the metal style. Keep in mind that there may be some vehicles that buck that trend. I am sure that the assembly plants would have used what was left in stock until it was depleted. (Unless it was superseded due to a safety issue).

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77464
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Well folks it is one week until the show and things are just about finished. I can't think of ANY variable that we did not cover during this two and a half year journey. I can sincerely say this has been the most difficult project I have ever been involved with. I wanted to thank the people who actually turned wrenches and provided hands on assistance with the car. Steve Been, Jon Dodds, Dewan Huffmann and Mr. Dave Stuart/DodgeMaterial. (How lucky can one be to have a Chrysler executive of over 25 years personally help with your Chrysler restoration?) Without these guys this never would have been possible. Thanks again to the MANY other individuals involved with supplying the rare parts that make this vehicle really unique!!

Dave Walden

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07/31/08 07:39 AM
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All the best Dave.
Happy trails.
Jules

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: DodgeMaterial] #77466
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Here is a sneak preview Dave.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77467
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Dave - Woah... until now I could only imagine that color combo - it is much better than my wildest dream! I always liked the looks of a White with Blue strpe on a GT350 - this way cooler (and a Mopar)! Dave


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77468
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Here is a sneak preview Dave.




Tease!


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: rexus31] #77469
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All of us at Moparts (most anyways ) are wishing you the best of luck at the official unveiling of your '70 Challenger at the Nats. Those of us that can't attend will be awaiting for your triumphant return. Break a leg guys!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ebodyseast] #77470
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Thanks for your kindness and support. It really means a lot! I hope all who see the car will find something of interest regarding what we have done. I also hope to meet everyone that has followed this project. For those who can make it to the Nats, please make it a point to come by on Saturday to see us. We are really looking forward to it.

Thanks again!!!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77471
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Dave-
I too have noticed the plastic clips on earlier cars, both Ham & LA.
Cant wait to see your ride! If you are feeling the pressure remember this-I just got my transmission finsihed last night and my engine in tonight! Wish me luck-oh, and thanks for your help to me. Here's a teaser for YOU!!

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77472
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Paul,
I forgot to tell you.....this afternoon we started all over. We scraped the Challenger and have decided to fill in with a 1977 Ford Pinto Squire Station Wagon. It has the original 440 Hemi still between the fenders. It also has the original 727 torqueflite 4 speed transmission along with an eight and three quarter Dana rear end. It has power manual, drum disc brakes. The interior is made of of genuine imitation, leather vinyl. A truly unique vehicle. Certain to be a show stopper!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77473
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Get some sleep-your hallucinating DAVE!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77474
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Of course you think I'm crazy! I totally forgot to mention the simulated wood grain panels down the side of that baby. And to think I almost over looked that truly significant detail.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77475
08/02/08 12:10 AM
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Of course you think I'm crazy! I totally forgot to mention the simulated wood grain panels down the side of that baby. And to think I almost over looked that truly significant detail.




Dave, your are hallucinating, that's part of the original shipping crate that wasn't removed during dealer pre-deliver prep


Good luck guys


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You were right on that one Mike. I went out to put a quick coat of wax on the old Pinto and got two splinters and a nail in my hand. Why couldn't you have given me a heads up on that thought earlier?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77477
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Can you post a pic of the Pinto so I can tell you the woodgrain isn't the right shade.

Great post and looking forward to the Nats.

Rick.

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Can you post a pic of the Pinto so I can tell you the woodgrain isn't the right shade.

Great post and looking forward to the Nats.

Rick.




Well....It looks like you were actually correct on this one Rick. I checked it out and the wood grain was in fact the left grain and not the right grain like I originally thought. Oh well.

Hope to see you there.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: mopar346] #77479
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Anny front suspension pics yet? Please?



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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77480
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Snoopy] #77481
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Dave
Your suspension looks great, I do have a question though on your magnum rims.
Were you able to locate the original assembly line / early center caps or did you have to use to second design center caps?

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