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62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart #774572
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Well I got a great deal on the manifolds at the nats 50.00
Bucks. So get home today to see if it will work and it doesn't.
I will look into notching the pass side but it will need at least
1.5 inch notch from the top of the frame rail straight up the shock tower. Has anyone ever done this.

Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: paul69cuda] #774573
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There are 2 styles of those manifolds and the driver's side exit is different. Which part number did you get? Got a pic?


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Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: furious70] #774574
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for turbos ??

all you need to do is weld a flange on top of the cast exhaust. you can run a single unit if you crossover the opposite side . run it like an single exhaust factory does.

this manifold is from a kit from accel

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That's a cool manifold, have seen old sb ones but never a bb one from a kit. Is that a T3 flange?


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Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: HEMIFRED] #774576
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i cant post pics but the manifold itself is to wide to fit in between the head and the fender well. it is a log style manifold with an exhaust exit at the end this will work but i have to cut chop the pass side shock tower and then brace it. i basiclly need 1.5 inches i will look more into what i can do this weekend. now i have a welding ? for you fred what kind of weld do you use on cast iron manifolds mig-tig-or? .

Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: paul69cuda] #774577
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i cant post pics but the manifold itself is to wide to fit in between the head and the fender well. it is a log style manifold with an exhaust exit at the end this will work but i have to cut chop the pass side shock tower and then brace it. i basiclly need 1.5 inches i will look more into what i can do this weekend. now i have a welding ? for you fred what kind of weld do you use on cast iron manifolds mig-tig-or? .





can you extend the flange mounting position and avoid hacking the tower? find a place for the turbo and send the pipe to it.

welding ? I have done it both ways. just don't get the manifold hot.

The basic trick is to use 99% nickel rod in an AC arc welder. Deeply bevel the edges. Build it up bead by bead. As soon as you lay a short bead, peen the glowing bead with a hammer and keep peening for a little bit. That'll help even out the stresses. Then clean carefully and repeat. I've done this with great results (even with a cheap 110V welder) on very thin parts. No cracks so far.

when I stick welded with nickel rod I just tacked it with a short weld under an inch each and about one inch apart but staggered all around the flange not next to each other. Go back and hit the spaces until you fill the whole seam. Do the V groove to lay the weld into it.Don't rush and it won't get hot enough to cause a crack when it cools down. some preheat the cast but I am not smart enough to know just how much. too much and it will crack when contracting during cooling.it was much easier and safer but took longer my way.
My son used a TIG pretty much the same way but he did bigger spots

just give a few test passes on another manifold and then go fer it.



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Guidelines for Welding Cast Iron



Background

Cast iron is difficult, but not impossible, to weld. In most cases, welding on cast iron involves repairs to castings, not joining casting to other members. The repairs may be made in the foundry where the castings are produced, or may be made to repair casting defects that are discovered after the part is machined. Mis-machined cast iron parts may require repair welding, such as when holes are drilled in the wrong location. Frequently, broken cast iron parts are repaired by welding. Broken cast iron parts are not unusual, given the brittle nature of most cast iron.

While there are a variety of types of cast iron, the most common is gray cast iron, and these guidelines are directed toward this type of material.

A few facts about cast iron help in understanding the welding challenges. Cast iron typically has a carbon content of 2% - 4%, roughly 10 times as much as most steels. The high carbon content causes the carbon to form flakes of graphite. This graphite gives gray cast iron its characteristic appearance when fractured.

When castings are made, molten iron is poured into a mold and allowed to slowly cool. When this high carbon material is allowed to cool slowly, crack free castings can be made. Remembering this is helpful when welding cast iron: during and after welding, the casting must either be allowed to cool slowly, or should be kept cool enough that the rate of cooling is not important.

A critical temperature in most cast iron is about 1450 degrees F. When at this temperature, conditions that can lead to cracking occur. While the arc will heat the casting to temperatures above this level, it is important that the casting not be held at this temperature for long periods of time.

Electrode selection

If the part is to be machined after welding, a nickel-type electrode will be required. Use Lincoln Softweld® 99Ni stick electrode for single pass, high dilution welds. Softweld 55 Ni is preferred for multiple pass welds. Sometimes, root passes are put in with Softweld 99 Ni, followed by fill passes with Softweld 55 Ni. For welds where machining is not required, and where the weld is expected to rust like the cast iron, Lincoln Ferroweld® stick electrode can be used.

To Heat, or not to Heat

In general, it is preferred to weld cast iron with preheat--and lots of it. But, another way to successfully weld cast iron is to keep it cool--not cold, but cool. Below, both methods will be described. However, once you select a method, stick with it. Keep it hot, or keep it cool, but don't change horses in the middle of the stream!

Welding Techniques with Preheat

Preheating the cast iron part before welding will slow the cooling rate of the weld, and the region surround the weld. It is always preferred to heat the entire casting, if possible. Typical preheat temperatures are 500-1200 degrees F. Don’t heat over 1400 degrees F since that will put the material into the critical temperature range. Preheat the part slowly and uniformly.

Weld using a low current, to minimize admixture, and residual stresses. In some cases, it may be necessary to restrict the welds to small, approximately 1-inch long segments to prevent the build up of residual stresses that can lead to cracking. Peening of weld beads can be helpful in this regard as well.

After welding, allow the part to slowly cool. Wrapping the casting in an insulating blanket, or burying it in dry sand, will help slow cooling rates, and reduce cracking tendencies.

Welding Techniques without Preheat

The size of the casting, or other circumstances, may require that the repair be made without preheat. When this is the case, the part needs to be kept cool, but not cold.

Raising the casting temperature to 100 degrees F is helpful. If the part is on an engine, it may be possible to run it for a few minutes to obtain this temperature. Never heat the casting so hot that you cannot place your bare hand on it.

Make short, approximately 1” long welds. Peening after welding is important with this technique. Allow the weld and the casting to cool. Do not accelerate the rate of cooling with water or compressed air. It may be possible to weld in another area of the casting while the previous weld cools. All craters should be filled. Whenever possible, the beads should be deposited in the same direction, and it is preferred that the ends of parallel beads not line up with each other.





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Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: paul69cuda] #774578
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well i made it offic today the logs will not work anyway shape or form period. i measured from the x port to the shock tower this was 3 inches with no gasket. then i measured the manifold 3.5
so i jacked the car up and start looking at the shock mount and
quickly found out the upper a arm mounts have approx .5 inch till the inner fenders metal of the shock tower. so this has killed this idea as for a cheap manifold for a turbo in the dart.

Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: paul69cuda] #774579
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Re: 62 to 65 b body rb manifolds for my dart [Re: HEMIFRED] #774580
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You mean the turbos that mount at the rear end do you know how well it works with a bb. Know anyone using them.







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