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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: sixpaktoogo] #77422
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DW, the EW1 Challenger is insane. You're this mad scientist who's been busy in the lab creating a monster who others are afraid will get loose in the Mopar world and wreak havock & mayhem! I've totally enjoyed this thread for the past weeks, thanks for sharing all that you have.

Interested in seeing the other end of the rear e-brake cable for LH rear drum, mainly the cable end's black rubber grommet that seals the drum from the elements. Do you have any pics of the opposite end? We can see the rear cables differ from one another in the pic u posted earlier, do the rubber grommets on the ends also differ between the two or are they identical? Mainly asking if the LH cable is the same as a LH '71 cable? Thanks!

I am also interested if you can post any pics of the interior firewall before the NOS dash & a/c box was istalled but after the firewall insulations went in. This would be a rare glimpse & treat at seeing an area that will not be readily seen when it is being shown.

You guys are class acts & so is the Challenger...I mean "heavy weight champion of the world!"

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ebodyseast] #77423
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Man oh man, you got this all wrong! We are just hoping to possibly be selected as stand in participants to the next sequel of Vanishing Point! The car is just a front to help us get our foot in the door. We are hoping to use it for the crash scene (at the end of the movie) instead of the Camaro.
I will try to get those pictures on the left and right brake cables. Keep in mind that the 71 styles are totally different than the 70 version. Both the left and right cables for the 71 models are interchangeable. Today I have been working with Jon Dodds (my right hand man at ECS) on the "book" we are compiling for the Nats.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: sixpaktoogo] #77424
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I have always questioned the reproduction tach faces, (whether they be decals or silk screening) that show the last numbers to be red. Most of the originals I have seen (even though sun faded) look not to have been red. Your NOS tach confirms that they should not be red?

Thanks, Dan




Hello Dan,
I can't begin to question all the other tachs based on my sample but here is a closer picture. If they marks are faded, they ALL faded exactly the same shades of color! (Yellow to orange)

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77425
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Dave I checked my 70 R/T SE - which has the original dash... the wood grain is IDENTICAL. Mine may have faded some but not perceivible comparing the pictures. Your tach picture does not show the color change at red line - however in person it is noticible (Yellow to Orange). Just an issue with the flash I guess.


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: DodgeMaterial] #77426
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Dave I checked my 70 R/T SE - which has the original dash... the wood grain is IDENTICAL. Mine may have faded some but not perceivible comparing the pictures. Your tach picture does not show the color change at red line - however in person it is noticible (Yellow to Orange). Just an issue with the flash I guess.




Dave,
Does this mean that your all original 1970 Challenger must also have a 1971 wood grain dash setup?
What do you know....two flukes in a row.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: sixpaktoogo] #77427
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Here are a few shots of an NOS 8K tach dial. These are the 100% correct colors. Dave's tach dial looks right on the money and the orange line appears washed out during photos unless the pic is taken with the dial standing straight up.

PS: I am the only company in existance that re-faces the dials using the factory original process and OE correct colors.

Mike Mancini

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77428
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77429
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77430
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Great resources, incredible thread...........but after scrolling all 17 pages I do not see any detail photos of the front suspension. My specific question is are the sway bar links and the TR sleeve clamps black phospate, black painted or nature? If it matters it is my AAR 407 SPD. Thanks for the education it has been enormous.


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77431
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Quote:

Here are a few shots of an NOS 8K tach dial. These are the 100% correct colors. Dave's tach dial looks right on the money and the orange line appears washed out during photos unless the pic is take with the dial standing straight up.

PS: I am the only company in existance that re-faces the dials using the factory original process and OE correct colors.

Mike Mancini





Mike,

Now that makes sense - the high numbers are orange, NOT red as seen on the repo tachs, stickers, and silk screening! By the way, what is your companies name and contact information?

Thanks, Dan

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: mccannix] #77432
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Just for the record, back in the 80's when Downer was THE guy with the NOS parts, I traded for a pair of NOS Challenger park lite assemblies for a Challenger I was doing.
He had no less than 10 NOS pair on hand at any given time, with correct 70-71 pigtail. There were as many boxed with the gold colored finish as there were with the bare finish.
We went throught them all to make sure I got a pair that matched, and again all were NOS in the boxes.




I just about to post a word or two about Walt Downer. All the stuff on my own 1970 Challenger R/T (that I still own) has all the parts from Walt's place. There are things that I got from him that I never seen anywhere else, EVER.

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Quote:

Here are a few shots of an NOS 8K tach dial. These are the 100% correct colors. Dave's tach dial looks right on the money and the orange line appears washed out during photos unless the pic is take with the dial standing straight up.

PS: I am the only company in existance that re-faces the dials using the factory original process and OE correct colors.

Mike Mancini





Mike,

Now that makes sense - the high numbers are orange, NOT red as seen on the repo tachs, stickers, and silk screening! By the way, what is your companies name and contact information?

Thanks, Dan




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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Captain Flapjack] #77434
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ecs, i have a question
im not 1000% sure, so please inform me if my assumption is incorrect, no ill will intended

e-body rally dashes from 1970 to 1971 had different color woodgrain

1970 was lighter, more yellowish if you will
and 1971 was a darker, more brownish

yours looks to be the 1971 darker, but i know pics dont always reflect the true color of an item





mr ecs, im sorry.
i was incorrect in reference to the color of the dash panel woodgrain
my brain must be getting tangled up

the woodgrain difference i was thinking of was the console woodgrain trim, which the 1970 version is lighter than the 71 version

not the dash woodgrain which i had mistakingly thought.

like i originally said, i wasnt sure

thanks for correcting me in reference to that

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Captain Flapjack] #77435
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No apology needed at all. Does this mean that my DARK wood grain NOS console plate with the extra drilled hole (next to the shifter) is incorrect?

*JUST KIDDING! I don't have a 71 console plate!*

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Hey Dave, I can't remember is this car an automatic?

On another thread some of us were discussing the lettering on auto trans with console shift lenses, especially in 1970. Some cars seem to exhibit PRND21 only, while others say Slap Stik beneath the "1", and still others say Shift Gate beneath the "1". Do you have any findings on this subject/what are they?

Thanks Again
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Hey Dave, I can't remember is this car an automatic?

On another thread some of us were discussing the lettering on auto trans with console shift lenses, especially in 1970. Some cars seem to exhibit PRND21 only, while others say Slap Stik beneath the "1", and still others say Shift Gate beneath the "1". Do you have any findings on this subject/what are they?


Thanks Again
Tav




That subject was investigated by us (on and off) for a few months. It would take an hour of typing to give you the dates and specifics on what we found.

And you thought this thread was long and drawn out to this point!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77438
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DW - don't forget to release the pics of the new rear brake lines too! the lh rear axle brake line on a '70 rear axle I have has a 'loop' just before it enters the wheel cylinder that the repros from fine lines didn't use. i hope this also means that there will be a new set of these lines available & manufactured by whoever bent yours correctly for us pilgrims?

Get that resto book on the shelves ASAP so we don't have to keep hounding you more for...more! U can simply say in response: "read the book."

All three '70 round style shifters are correct for E Body, they were installed onto the cars as the new shipmens came in, a case of whatever came on your particular car is what is correct. DW, make sure u include your shifter research in the book.

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Tremendous effort Dave, thanks for doing this on a highly original, well optioned car. I can already tell that what you've learned and the new restoration products developed as a result of this effort are going to benefit the Mopar community immensely.!


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the lh rear axle brake line on a '70 rear axle I have has a 'loop' just before it enters the wheel cylinder that the repros from fine lines didn't use. ! U can simply say in response: "read the book."




got a picture to clarify ? My 1970 challenger did't have any kind of loop in the axle brake lines on either side

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I agree with Bill. I just checked my Sept 69 build R/T SE (3.23 SG - PDB)- it still has the original lines and I see no "loop." A pic would sure be interesting to see. Dave


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