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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: HPMike] #77162
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And another for the mega-detail oriented.

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And now a picture to answer the question of why the tank isn't in the car now. This is what happens when you leave a half a tank of gas in there for 20 some-odd years. Looks like rust but it isn't, it's some nasty crystallized remnants of whatever fuel was in there at the time. Believe it or not, the tank itself is in perfect condition. If there was a way to remove this crap, you could easily put it back into service. You should see the pickup. Looks almost like Miss Belvedere.

NOS in there now.

MB

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: HPMike] #77164
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Hi Mike,

Is your build sheet coded for a sound deadening package or anything like that? Any shots of the surrounding floor panels?

MIke


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77165
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Hi Mike,

Is your build sheet coded for a sound deadening package or anything like that? Any shots of the surrounding floor panels?

MIke




Nope

Just a plain old garden variety stripped out, radio delete, Super track pack Hemi Challenger. Floor is original grey primer. Heavy undercoat in wheelwells and frame rail areas in the back.

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Thanks for sharing the pics. Was the car local to the east coast all its life? Are you sure it wasn't applied by the dealer to protect from the salted roads. seems funny the factory would undercoat only in the areas snow and slush get kicked up at constantly??

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: HPMike] #77167
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Were the front side marker housings on 70 Challengers gold zink ??? I know the originals on my 71 were galvanized or stamped from galvanized sheet .....but yours look to be a gold color . Were some Gold zink ?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77168
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Thanks for sharing the pics. Was the car local to the east coast all its life? Are you sure it wasn't applied by the dealer to protect from the salted roads. seems funny the factory would undercoat only in the areas snow and slush get kicked up at constantly??

Mike




Jersey car from day one. The original owner took delivery of the car practically off the transporter as I am told. Also, I might add that the undercoat on the tank is the super heavily textured variety that you only seem to see on original cars. The stuff the dealer used was the spray bomb type that goes on much thinner(and darker). BTW this is not unique to my car. I also have seen the same on other survivor cars. I have a picture of a 71 Cuda that I worked on that is the same way.


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77169
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Howdy Mike!

The tank and surrounding underside trunk area of my car had just little "spits" of under coat showing. It was so light in some areas of the wheel wells that you could make out the background white paint!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77170
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based on the above two photos, the front valance on 70 Challengers must have been installed AFTER the fenders got there coating of sound deadener sprayed on, where-as on 71 Cudas the front bumper and valance were in place because the front signal light housing was almost always covered to some degree.

The differences could be endless.




Alan,
Any info you have on this would be greatly appreciated. We found what appeared to be some light road tar on the valance but could have been mistaken as to whether it was a very light overspray of undercoat. Anyone else have any documentation on Challenger front valances?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #77171
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Were the front side marker housings on 70 Challengers gold zink ??? I know the originals on my 71 were galvanized or stamped from galvanized sheet .....but yours look to be a gold color . Were some Gold zink ?




Yes. All of the 1970 original samples I have seen are gold zinc!

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Dave,
The undercoating looks great now that it's off the fenders-you have too much patience. Here are 2 photo's of the front valance on my car I was asking you about. You can tell the valance was on the car when the rad support was blacked out but I wonder how common this is on Cudas?? There is also a red area on the tray support where the valance would have been in the way. Like you, I'm bringing these photos because this could be considered incorrect I suppose. Anyone out there have any other info on front Cuda valances that car shed light on having black overspray on them??

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77173
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77174
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Paul, it's late.....don't you have to go to work tomorrow!!

Good to see ya!!


....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77175
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Hey HEMI SE-did you notice your 230 radiator hose is stamped RAD END on the waterneck side? I saw a radiator hose just like that for sale at Carlisle from Ken Burbach a few years ago. Is that said hose?? Factory screw ups!!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77176
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I'm not familar with B Bodys that much ( Gees where have I heard that before ) but do you remember if there was undercoating on the front bumper bracket? And in you picture is that undercoating under where the bumper bracket would be?
I know on some of the Cudas I've done, I've had to dig out the bumper bracket bolts from undercoating just to get a socket on them.

Your shot from that distance is perfect for seeing the type of mask they must have used...it looks like a simple shape compared to other complicated shapes I've seen.

Awesome picture




Hey Alan..
I'm not sure about the undercoating in the location just under where the bumper bracket would be positioned.. I'll have to crawl up in the garage attic and look at the front bumper brackets.. I'll see if there are any clues...


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77177
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Paul, I didn't get the hose from Burbach. Why is it a screw up? That is the Rad End of it. This #230 hose looks just like the #186 hose pictures you posted. I looked through my collection of buildsheets (30 years worth) and could not find one buildsheet with a #30 for the upper hose. I'm thinking the #186 superceded to the #230. What do you think?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi70se] #77178
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Another pic of the rad end




Doesn't appear to be the radiator end.


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi70se] #77179
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Another pic of the rad end




This is not the "rad" end. It is the 90 degree end that goes to the thermostat water outlet.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77180
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You guys are correct! I should have looked at again. I wasn't aware that Chysler EVER made any mistakes

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Food for thought:

I had an opportunity to look at a 1970 ONLY parts catalog today (9/69 Edition!) and the upper hose data pertaining to 440 engines is as follows:

W/ 383/440 W/O AC 1881804
(It is baffling that they list a straight, flex hose for this application, which is what this hose is.)

W/ 383/440 W/AC W/Max Cooling 2863257

W/ 426/440 W/Manual Trans 3462113

W/ 440 W/O AC W/O Max Cooling 3462116

All engineering drawings I have indicate 2863257 as being the correct hose for both A/C and non-A/C applications.

Bill Rolik

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