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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77142
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: HemiGreg] #77143
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Steve, you are right on 184-you had said 186 which is why we were both confused. I have a full pic of a 186 I will post later.

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Greg....you should never compromise the truth just to avoid someones toes!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77145
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Heres 2 pics of 186 Bvbody hoses that someone asked about. In regards to judging-I would not ever take off on something like this because it could go so many ways. I mean look at how many different vendors supplied parts like hoses and belts etc. Now if we were talking about major stuff like safety items or paint colors that is where there seems to be pretty rigid rules. As we have talked about before-you better keep an open mind when talking baout these cars because your gonna eat crow-no matter how much you think you know! I have and will again I'm sure!

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77147
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That is great Alan! I wish you would have continued with the "chrome" surround trim on the plastic parts. When you can't find nice original samples, how do you apply that factory "chrome" accent back on the borders of the piece?



In the past I've used aluminum tape used is household heating ductwork. You have to put it on perfectly flat covering the entire control area, then cut off what you don't want.
It's quite shinny and can be buffed as well.
Again...this is just one "quick fix" idea. It looks good from two feet but up close you can still tell. I'm on a much lower budget.

Are you currently looking for an NOS heater/AC control?
For your level of car I would think that would be the "only" way to go


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Are you currently looking for an NOS heater/AC control?
For your level of car I would think that would be the "only" way to go




That is just about impossible to find. Even the NOS pieces I have seen (non A/C examples) still needed work on them to look new. If you see my dash/radio pieces in person you almost can't tell the difference between them and Brand new ones. They really look that close to the original parts!

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Are you currently looking for an NOS heater/AC control?
For your level of car I would think that would be the "only" way to go




That is just about impossible to find. Even the NOS pieces I have seen (non A/C examples) still needed work on them to look new. If you see my dash/radio pieces in person you almost can't tell the difference between them and Brand new ones. They really look that close to the original parts!




This coming from a guy who found/bought an NOS BLUE three speaker A/C dash pad in the box.... You're just not looking hard enough Seriuosly I wish I could help, but you're right some parts just don't grow on trees....


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77150
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Are you currently looking for an NOS heater/AC control?
For your level of car I would think that would be the "only" way to go




That is just about impossible to find. Even the NOS pieces I have seen (non A/C examples) still needed work on them to look new. If you see my dash/radio pieces in person you almost can't tell the difference between them and Brand new ones. They really look that close to the original parts!




This coming from a guy who found/bought an NOS BLUE three speaker A/C dash pad in the box.... You're just not looking hard enough Seriously I wish I could help, but you're right some parts just don't grow on trees....




Alan don't you mean some parts aren't made in China yet?!

You guys are doing an incredible job trying to duplicate the finish of an assembly line car without the assembly line.
I can't wait to see this car in person at the Nats. Keep up the progress pics.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Paul Jacobs] #77151
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Hey Paul,
Here is the result of one of the "fixes" I told you we needed to do. When the undercoat was first sprayed it was impossible to control the "ugly" splatter that resulted. The second picture is the result of spending many hours to make it look correct. The best/trickiest part was making it appear never to have been retouched or manipulated. We (luckily) did it!! It is impossible to tell it was not sprayed in one application. There are MANY things that we have altered since the car has been viewed last. (You didn't expect us to expose ALL the neat details before the show did you?)



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I'm not familar with 70 Challengers





Am I missing something here???


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #77153
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I'm not familar with 70 Challengers





Am I missing something here???




In 25+ years of restoring Mopars I've only ever restored one 1970 Challenger RT/SE and that was back in 1993.
I've since done some front suspensions, dash assemblys and other componets for 70 Challengers, but most of the time has been spent on 71 Cudas and 71 Challengers.

I personally wouldn't think there is any difference in the heater controls, but after being involved with this thread I can see I have a lot to learn.

Most recently...based on the above two photos, the front valance on 70 Challengers must have been installed AFTER the fenders got there coating of sound deadener sprayed on, where-as on 71 Cudas the front bumper and valance were in place because the front signal light housing was almost always covered to some degree.

The differences could be endless.

As stated MANY MANY times...only YOUR car can serve as the true example of how it's supposed to be.

Again...great photos.


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77154
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Hey Paul,
Here is the result of one of the "fixes" I told you we needed to do. When the undercoat was first sprayed it was impossible to control the "ugly" splatter that resulted. The second picture is the result of spending many hours to make it look correct. The best/trickiest part was making it appear never to have been retouched or manipulated. We (luckily) did it!! It is impossible to tell it was not sprayed in one application. There are MANY things that we have altered since the car has been viewed last. (You didn't expect us to expose ALL the neat details before the show did you?)






Those are great images Dave.. I'm in the process of getting all my front splash shields cleaned and painted with new seals.. Then I'll install them on the Charger once the cutting and buffing has been completed... After which, I'll have the shop spray my undercoating based on these examples and the ones from my car prior to stripping, especially the area of the inner fender around the upper control arm / shock tower... Luckily I had taken pics of many parts of the car prior to dipping.. You can plainly see the edge of the undercoating against the paint....

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi68charger] #77155
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I'm not familar with B Bodys that much ( Gees where have I heard that before ) but do you remember if there was undercoating on the front bumper bracket? And in you picture is that undercoating under where the bumper bracket would be?
I know on some of the Cudas I've done, I've had to dig out the bumper bracket bolts from undercoating just to get a socket on them.

Your shot from that distance is perfect for seeing the type of mask they must have used...it looks like a simple shape compared to other complicated shapes I've seen.

Awesome picture


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Well on the undercoating topic....

I recently checked out another OE Gold type resto on a 70 Challenger and they had covered the gas tank completly with undercoating.
When I asked about it, the restorers told me they checked out several survivor cars as well as another OE Gold restored Cuda and they all had the same type of coverage.

Has anybody documented pictures of that scenario on a NON-undercoated car?


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Well on the undercoating topic....

I recently checked out another OE Gold type resto on a 70 Challenger and they had covered the gas tank completly with undercoating.
When I asked about it, the restorers told me they checked out several survivor cars as well as another OE Gold restored Cuda and they all had the same type of coverage.

Has anybody documented pictures of that scenario on a NON-undercoated car?




Yes, that is correct,

The bottom of the tank in my survivor Hemi Challenger is covered with a fair amount of undercoating, including the straps. I would imagine it was probably a sound deadening measure, along with making the appearance of undercar items look black as was the rocker pinch area and the rad support.

I will try to remember to post a picture for reference.

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Has anybody documented pictures of that scenario on a NON-undercoated car?




No you would not see this characteristic on a non-factory undercoated car. I've personally never seen a completly undercoated tank. I have seen tanks with the sides sprayed.

Mike


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I'm not familar with 70 Challengers
I'm not familar with B Bodys





Alan, through the process of elimination should we assume you only have knowledge for A & C Body vehicles?

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I've personally never seen a completly undercoated tank. I have seen tanks with the sides sprayed.

Mike




Here are some pics of the tank that came out of my 2,800 mile '71 Hemi Challenger. Fully coated on the bottom. Non undercoated car.

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