Hose on Juliano's before mentioned survivor 71 Hemi Charger

Dave,
Because your a condesending, uppety, conceited, annoying, loudmouth, know it all jerk (of course you know Im being a smartXXX) Did I forget anything?? As we spoke about the other day-it is hard for some to deviate from what has been accepted as truth for so long. I think you should explain to others what you told me-of ignorance and finding the truth from research instead of accepted opinions. Though we all try to contribute on these boards, we are sometimes wrong (as I have been too before!).
I have been messing with these cars for 20 years and I still learn something new ALMOST everyday. This has been a great discussion on this upper hose! Keepem coming.

Well, since you asked....

They were used to "broadcast" everything that was needed to assemble each particular car to the far corners of each sub-assembly area of the assembly plant.

The trim shop where the front seat(s) were assembled "heard" the broadcast.

So did the trim shop for the rear seats.

So did the assembly area for the dash frames / gauge clusters.

.........and on and on, thus the name "broadcast", the information needed was broadcast to everyone that needed to know.

If you liken it to a radio broadcast of the news where everyone hears the same thing at the same time, that is pretty much how it worked inside the plants. Each assembly section "heard" what they needed to know and did their part.

The only difference was that the "broadcast" was printed on paper so they could read which each car needed and what they had to do to make it happen. Each sub-assembly area had it's own printer.

Hose on Juliano's 71 Hemi Cuda Reynolds car.

I love you too Paul! Seriously, take a look at your pictures. Your Challenger hose is shaped a little different from the Hemi ones but is just about dead on with the bends that I have on mine. How would the factory have known to change the upper hose on an A/C car if the build sheet states a #257? Did the A/C cars automatically get the "different" hose on or at the assembly line? Mine did not come with any numbers or tags so I can't reference the exact number...just the correct shape!

I know....and Ed Norton was an underground engineer. Tomato-Tomatoe! They were used to help the employees build the car. I promise I won't ask you to change your view to accommodate me Barry. And with that same respect, I really don't care what you decide to call them!

I'll send you the dollar anyway.



Have a good night Dave.

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Is it safe to assume that two hoses could have got the same part number

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I seriously Doubt it

How about two hoses ending in "57" hence the BCS code but having a different 4 digit pre-fix number.....
I don't have any part number books earlier then 71 so I'm only throwing that idea out there

Ok, I looked at my broadcast sheets today and here's what I found. All 5 cars (1969-1970 B bodies)with A/C call for the 257 Radiator hose on the broadcast sheet-even my original car-which had in fact a 2806186 on it! So it clearly did not conform to the broadcast sheet. The 186 hose was listed for 67,68 B with air and 67-71 HEMI. It was obviously used on HEMI's to clear the fuel lines but it appears they continued to use this shape and later changed (mid 68) to part #2863230 (listed as used from 68-73). This hose also shows up on original HEMI cars as I showed in photos though it was never listed in the books as that application! Dave-I would be glad to fax you these sheets if you would like.

Thanks for the information Paul. I will call you tomorrow to continue the fun of all of this. I am starting to believe that when a car had A/C, it was suppose to receive the “variation?” hose even though the build sheet might have specified the #257. There are a few things on these A/C cars that are different from the many non A/C cars I have been involved with researching. Paul had mentioned my “truth from research instead of accepted opinions” for documenting the facts. It is simply this: I know absolutely nothing about ANY of the aspects pertaining to these cars“. Seriously! When you take that attitude there are no preconceived ideas or beliefs. You approach things with an open mind so there are never any surprises. When we simply accept the traditional opinions as fact, with no interest in doing our own research, there is always the possibility for error and misinterpretation. Along these same lines I would suggest that no one take my word for anything. Please check out these claims and investigate them for yourselves! I do promise that anything I post or pass along will not just be my (or anyone else’s) “opinion“. Besides, it is fun to go out to various places to document these un restored cars and meet the people who own them. I can honestly state that I would trade all the information that I know about these cars, for all of the things that I am unaware of concerning them!

Barry, I made an incorrect comment pertaining to Dave Stuart's Challenger. He sent me this PM correcting my statement:

"Dave - you posted that my challenger doesnt have a 26 in rad - it DOES have a 26 in rad. and a 57 upper hose. The difference is that it is an early build and has a three core rad - later ones have a 4 core. Dave."

Sorry guys!

who originally attached the upper/inlet/return radiator hose to the engine before it was installed on the assembly line or even arrived at the car assembly plant (ref: '68 Charger photo above)? If the hose and the A/C were done (mounted/installed) at the engine assembly plant then the broadcast sheet info ("57") was for whom?

You may have just added some insight to this scenario. I don’t know what sequence or who installed the hoses but if it was done at the engine assembly plant, they may have installed this hose on A/C equipped cars. The 257 hose could have been the “universal” hose unless the vehicle had the A/C option. Rather that spin off in another of area of speculation, do you (A12) agree that the A/C cars had this different style of “hump” hose from the factory?

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/misc/robin2.jpg

I wonder if the AC cars had the hose installed at the engine assembly plant due to the compressor?