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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #77042
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Those are some great shots Scott


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: gtx6970] #77043
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Lets get this out of the way right now, I do NOT carry restamped radiator hoses, Badalson /Gibson are the only ones licensed to restamp radiator hoses




Here is another problem that might be some of the reason for this hose "confusion". Take a look at the list below for the hoses that are being currently offered. The "2863257" that Frank sells is being listed for ALL the performance engines but WITHOUT A/C!! If this hobby has been buying this hose for everything EXCEPT A/C cars, this is incorrect according to the parts book. Here are the applications (according to the parts book) for the 2863257 and 1881804 radiator hoses:

hose#2863257- **W/383, 440 Eng. W/A/Cond. W/Max. Cooling**

hose#1881804- **W/383, 440 Eng. W/O A/Cond.** part #1881804


A page from Frank Badalson's catalog:

114HS NEW! 3462114 70 b&e-body 383, b-body 6-bbl; 22 inch rad; upper……………...$45.00
116HS NEW! 3462116 70 e-body 440, 440-6; 22 inch rad………………………………...$45.00
931HS 2658931 lower 66 67-68 440, hemi B-body……………………………… $60.00
257HS 2863257 upper 383, 440, 440+6 with 26 inch radiator B and E-body, 69-71$35.00
184HS 3462184 upper 426 hemi with shaker 70-71 hemi cuda $60.00
256HS 2863256 lower 383, 440, 440+6 hemi 70 B and E-body……………………$35.00
245HS 2863245 lower 383, 440, 440+6 hemi 69 B-body…………………………. $35.00
119HS 3462119 lower 383, 440, 440+6 hemi 71 B and E-body………………… $35.00
230HS 2863230 upper 69 Hemi…………………………………………………… $40.00
113HS 3462113 upper 70 Hemi Challenger……………………………………… $60.00
244HS 2863244 69 B-body 383/440 with 22 inch rad. & some C-body 383/440 $40.00
201HS NEW 2863201 68 B-body 383/440 w/ 22 inch rad.

Has it occurred to anyone that the incorrect hose has somehow become accepted over time as the correct one?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: A12] #77044
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Hi A12,
Maybe you can shed some light on this subject. Is the hose you pictured here an A/C car like it should be according to the parts book?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77045
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Hi A12,
Maybe you can shed some light on this subject. Is the hose you pictured here an A/C car like it should be according to the parts book?




Dave, no, for sure NOT an A/C car! It's from the 5600 mile survivor A12 Super Bee and everyone knows A12's NEVER had A/C as an option. I have an original black and white factory A12 photo from '69 with the exact same top radiator hose and two more photos of low mile A12's with the part number printed on them I'll post later.


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Do you see the confusion that is starting to developed here? Chryslers own parts application book seems to be contradicting what came on their own cars. How can anyone be absolutely sure what is correct unless you were lucky enough to still have the original hose when you took possession of your car?

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Do you see the confusion that is starting to developed here? Chryslers own parts application book seems to be contradicting what came on their own cars. How can anyone be absolutely sure what is correct unless you were lucky enough to still have the original hose when you took possession of your car?




I believe it has more to do with the print date of the parts information than a contradiction by Chrysler. I know for sometime the part number for the connecting rods for the '69(1/2) A12 440 was listed as the so called heavy duty "Six Pack Rods" but that's only because the information was printed and revised after the spring of '69 production. The '69 built A12 440's did not have "Six Pack Rods" and did have single bolt cams, plastic cam gear...... The steel H-wheel part number changed from what was on the production "addition and deletion list" and several other parts were superceded by improved or current available items by the '70 and '71 revised parts information.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: A12] #77048
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That is nice information to have concerning engine parts, rods, etc.... but how do you know that rationale is also specific to this particular scenario? I saw three different survivor cars with A/C and the cars were from different parts of the country and built at different times. All of them had the “incorrect” hoses. I guess you could dismiss that fact by just saying "what do you know...three flukes in a row." You mentioned revisions and superseded follow ups in Chrysler publications. Could you possibly direct us to the edited or revised Chrysler information that would have spelled out the errors specific to these hoses? I assume that Chrysler would have corrected all misprints in later editions for things that were incorrectly listed.

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Lets see some original 70 A/C cars gentleman! Isn't that what started this whole fiasco....my A/C car and it having the wrong hose? You keep posting information that is apples vs. oranges. Please...save the effort of continuously posting non A/C cars. Lets see some other ORIGINAL survivor cars with the A/C option. Since my photos are all bogus of the survivors I documented at Richard's place, show me what is right for an A/C car!!!

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I will go ahead and start this exercise. Here is another "incorrect hosed" A/C car, smack in the middle of being built!

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I will go ahead and start this exercise. Here is another "incorrect hosed" A/C car, smack in the middle of being built!



That's a cool pic. Thanks for posting it.

Your car is awesome and there's not a member here that would not be proud to call it their own.

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Thanks so much for the kind sentiments Ron. I have done the best (along with Steve and others) to research this car as correctly as possible. Of all the original A/C vehicles I have seen, everyone of them had the upper radiator hose with the rise or hump just in front of the radiator connection end. I can’t understand why so many on this thread continue to post pictures of original non A/C upper radiator hoses in an attempt to prove what came on an A/C equipped vehicle. Anyway, thanks again for the input and have a great holiday!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77053
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Dave,

Any time you see a listing for a hose that begins with 1881, it is a FLEX hose, not a formed hose. Chrysler even had a hose display rack in the dealerships that had all of the 1881 series (introduced in the late 50's) hoses on it. They are all straight, flexible hoses designed to match many applications. Why there were 1881 series hoses listed in the various parts books as being direct, formed hose replacements, I will never know. The inlet (upper) hose is always indicated on the broadcast sheet.

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The GTX hose appears smooth while the Challenger hose appears as we would textured slightly. I would guess either two different hose suppliers or the GTX is not original.
Why would the correct hose be in question if it's marked on the BCS?





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Hello Bill,
I have been looking at my stash of build sheets trying to come up with the differences in hoses. (Mine is at the office so I don’t have access to it right now.) One example I have is for a 440 4bbl. Cuda built November 21st. It shows the “inlet hose” as being a #65 on the build sheet. It is an A/C car. I can’t even find a reference for that hose code. Any help with that one?

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I will go ahead and start this exercise. Here is another "incorrect hosed" A/C car, smack in the middle of being built!




not a good example. 1968 B-bodies used 2806186 on max cooling cars + A/C cars. I have a better pic if needed?

The only reference to #65 I have is lower hose small block E-body ( 3462165 ) so I can't answer that one

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FYI:

Just to provide some more examples of how variations can and do occur, here is the original upper radiator hose from my 71 340 Cuda convertible, and a period NOS replacement hose (with paper tag still attached). Both hoses are striped. It is interesting that the hose part number (3462102) and the hose vendor number (42332) have their positions reversed.

The heater hoses 860457 and 2936392 (0361 and 0391 dates for a 3/31/71 build date)are also original to the car. You can even see a splash of original engine paint on one of them.

I have seen many examples of striped HEATER hoses on original 70 cars, but fewer on 71 cars. The ink seems to be more of a silvery color on 70 cars, and more of the off-white color on 71 cars. There are at least 4 different vendor numbers for heater hoses, and at least 3 different vendor numbers for radiator hoses.

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