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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 02:49 AM
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YES! The two colors that I saw on the hoses were either white or blue. I took pictures of EVERY engine compartment (even different angles) of Richard's cars. Not a single one had part numbers or a Pentastar printed on them.
Dave, that radiator hose stripe (in the photo I posted) is from a low mile survivor and here is another angle of it, note the part number near the radiator end 
(Didn't mean to cut your quote short, apologies  )
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07/04/08 03:01 AM
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 03:23 AM
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what is that part number and is there a date code or a pentastar on it.
Steve, don't know for sure but if you flip over the photo and were to make a "guess" (sorry Dave) this would be my shot at it from the photo
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 03:25 AM
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In another post Bill you had mentioned that the print I stamped on my heater hoses looked "too good". Did you happen to notice that the two hoses you have featured do not even have the same stamping characters or setup? It appears that someone decided to add the Pentastar and “Rad End” verbiage.
Are these the hoses that you sell as "factory correct" versions?
He just stated in his post "currently available" I think 95% of us would read that as not the best possible, could use improvement.
I thought Bill was offering a constructive comment and sort of a compliment on the quality.  Not a negative dig on your fine products. It's all good.
Lets keep up this great flow and sharing of information. 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 04:01 AM
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This is how we all learn about parts and vendors with regards to the variations. It is obvious by your "progressive" type of questioning that you might "guess" or assume that Steve and I overlooked the part numbers on the hoses since I answered "yes" to your original hose question. We did not! The hoses were not like the one you posted. The blue stripe sample that we saw was on the 3800 mile Super Bee Hemi car. If there was a part number on that one, it was not in plain view. Rather than try to disprove a variable within our findings, (that wasn’t even considered before we mentioned it) why not inquire as to why the colored lines are never present on the “factory correct” reproductions? How are some “incorrect” features accepted while other “incorrect” features are scrutinized to the most miniscule degree? With that thought in mind… Autoxcuda: My comment to Bill was probably just as innocent or "complimentary" as his was to me. I just have a difficult time understanding how some people have the ability to easily notice inconsistencies in some products but seem to be blind to the variations that exist within their own selections.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 09:03 AM
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Hi Dave
Your car is looking great and I am looking for to the new advances with the parts it will generate.
1 thing which I notice, but was not 100% sure if I was correct was the water pump which is on your car looks like a standard 440HP pump. The one on the 20,000 mile survivor is the cone type body. Was there 2 different pump for the A/C cars?
Did the 383 have it own pump for A/C.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 09:31 AM
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Lets get this out of the way right now, I do NOT carry restamped radiator hoses, Badalson /Gibson are the only ones licensed to restamp radiator hoses..so the stamping shown is a whole nudder story but is irrelevant to my point.
I used my pictures above to simply illustrate the shape of every 2863257 hose I've seen.
btw - Hemi cars are not part of this thread or discussion,they carry a completly different shape and part number upper hose.
I had another 2863257 hose picture from low mileage 1970 GTX and the stamp layout was as stamped above, essentially opposite of the 1969 GTX hose shown, so I know for a fact at least 2 different layouts existed, but both hoses were shaped the exact same way.
Me personally I have never seen a radiator hose with an ink stamped 'date code' on it. All have had simply a part number and a vender code and some have the RAD END and some have the pentastar. Yes, some have a stripe on them. One pic I have the 2863257 has a white stripe on it
I may have some more pictures but they all show the same shape hose for this part number. The hose above is the OE installed hose removed from a 12,000 mile 1969 GTX, now since sold so this is all I have.
I'm not arguing the fact(Ok, well maybe I am ), just raising questions.
Since no reproduction parts were used ( except 2 custom made - but still unknown items) I'm assuming the upper/ lower radiator hoses were NOS ? If so what was the ink stamped part number on it ? There has to be some way for the worker pulling the hose to indentify said hose.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 12:53 PM
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Heater hose. This number repeated along the entire length with a white stripe between the number stampings
Have a safe and happy 4th everyone! Thank you very much for posting a picture of this original heater hose Scott. The letters certainly seem to display the same look that were evident on the ones that I re-stamped. Even after 38+ years they are clear and sharp with no smearing. One thing that is becoming evident regarding these radiator hoses it that there were numerous variations that were used on these cars. I think it is safe to say there could have been a few variations of hoses were used on cars that had the same engine or accessory setup. I fortunately have all three types of hose variations to use. If you look at the hoses with A/C (that I have posted) it appears that there is an extra raised hump that helps to avoid the two A/C belts. Can anyone explain why there is that added hump in the hose if it was not intended to provide extra clearance? What would the purpose of this “clearance” hump be on a non A/C application?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/04/08 12:58 PM
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Hi Dave
Your car is looking great and I am looking for to the new advances with the parts it will generate.
1 thing which I notice, but was not 100% sure if I was correct was the water pump which is on your car looks like a standard 440HP pump. The one on the 20,000 mile survivor is the cone type body. Was there 2 different pump for the A/C cars?
Did the 383 have it own pump for A/C.
Mine was with the engine when I bought it Mauro. Maybe the pump housing difference is a 1971 change. That 20,000 mile Challenger is a 71 vehicle. I have not researched the 71 models or changes for that particular year.
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