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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: 70RT Charger]
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06/29/08 11:43 PM
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not to pick ,but the heater hoses almost look TO GOOD
You can tell in the picture the OE 's were stamped / and look smeared as opposed the stenciled look on the repops shown
I have to say, I agree. Don't get me wrong it looks good, but I wonder if you could smear it a little 
Beam me up Scotty!Wow something must have happened when I was teleported back,I didn't look this good in 1970.  
What stencils? What repops? They are the original hoses that were taken off the car!! We use the same STAMPING machine technology that is used to do automotive hoses, Titleist golf ball logos and other round radius items. These are NOT stenciled or hand stamped. They are printed with a stamping machine very similar to what might have been used to do the originals. I can assure you that these are not as perfect looking in person as in the pictures. I have seen original hoses that do have very nice printing on them however. With the various vendors that manufactured these items back in the day, there is quite an array of printing style fonts. If I did them too sloppy there would be someone that would complain about that! You can’t win for loosing with this scenario. As with all of our products, I choose to reproduce the best case scenario that could be found within a factory example. We even stagger the letters like the originals. It is more evident with the original sample because the hose is bending upward. I personally think they will be a great addition on the time capsule…..uh, I mean Challenger. (Sorry 70RT Charger….I didn’t mean to leave the last part of that sentence but I had already hit the “submit” key to post this….oh well!)
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: MrNormsTA]
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06/30/08 10:25 AM
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Looks great, nice challenge guys.
Are paint runs going to be duplicated for instance on the heater box and stampings done with smears ect, ect. Decals crooked? I have taken a few original cars apart and it amazes me how rushed many of these procedures were done. I see perfect stampings and detail on many of these items on the top notch restos.
How are those items going to be tackled on this car guys, thanks? Keep up the good work.
Rick. 
This car is beautiful. I can really appreciate all the hard work that goes into a complete resto, and mine isn't an attempt to return to stock.
That be said I find myself thinking about a couple of items when reading through this string though. First, why try to "duplicate" mistakes on individual cars from the factory(ex paint runs)? They were mistakes. The ideal choice is NOT to have them. I don't see how that makes it more "correct". I can see easily the reasoning for all OE parts, but the other is baffling. Second, being employed at an OEM and seeing many cars built every day with mistakes on an average of approx. 25% that require some repair before leaving the factory, I find it interesting how many "experts" on this thread act like some defects are repeatable or absolute. Every model has some feature that engineers or assemblers would like another crack at but it isn't financially feasible during mass production. When repairing an individual car, why not try to avoid repeating it? Many part markings are results of checks necessary for quality, that may not have been recognized at start up, yet implemented later. I will add this note...what the public THINKS happened at the factory and for what reason...is rarely the complete truth. Reading threads on it provides quite a bit of humor, in some circumstances though.
Keep up the awesome work on the car guys. Looking forward to seeing it! If all the paint runs aren't exactly where they "should" be, I won't complain.  
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
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06/30/08 12:23 PM
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Speaking of the correct amount of color overspray on the bottom-side..... Let's keep this one for the future in 40 years when these SRT Challengers get restored....  Yes, it's a hemi-orange version.... Courteousy of the Charger board...
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
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06/30/08 01:07 PM
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not to pick ,but the heater hoses almost look TO GOOD
You can tell in the picture the OE 's were stamped / and look smeared as opposed the stenciled look on the repops shown
I have to say, I agree. Don't get me wrong it looks good, but I wonder if you could smear it a little
Beam me up Scotty!Wow something must have happened when I was teleported back,I didn't look this good in 1970.
What stencils? What repops? They are the original hoses that were taken off the car!! We use the same STAMPING machine technology that is used to do automotive hoses, Titleist golf ball logos and other round radius items. These are NOT stenciled or hand stamped. They are printed with a stamping machine very similar to what might have been used to do the originals. I can assure you that these are not as perfect looking in person as in the pictures. I have seen original hoses that do have very nice printing on them however. With the various vendors that manufactured these items back in the day, there is quite an array of printing style fonts. If I did them too sloppy there would be someone that would complain about that! You can’t win for loosing with this scenario. As with all of our products, I choose to reproduce the best case scenario that could be found within a factory example. We even stagger the letters like the originals. It is more evident with the original sample because the hose is bending upward. I personally think they will be a great addition on the time capsule…..uh, I mean Challenger. (Sorry 70RT Charger….I didn’t mean to leave the last part of that sentence but I had already hit the “submit” key to post this….oh well!)
Thats alright ECS there is NOBODY perfect,well there was this one man who was and they hung him on a cross.Anyways I hope you dont mind if I do buy a few things off of you guys
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: DodgeMaterial]
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06/30/08 02:47 PM
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It seems many of us have not done our homework to the same level concerning the drips on the bars. As we all know they were dipped in paint - leaving drip marks on the length of the bars - but how many of us took the time to make sure the drips were spaced like the original, and have the proper drips per inch?
There was someone else on this board that recreated that, and also found that their drips had hollow tips sort of like an inverted volcano, and they recreated the hollow tips too!
Tav
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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06/30/08 10:57 PM
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I have also been priviledged to see Mr. Juliano's awesome display and car collection, some truely beautiful examples of ultra rare Mopars!
One thing that has been in the back of my mind since looking at them is how in the heck did the underside of that purple car stay or get so clean? It looked nearly perfect and dirt/dust free when I looked at it. I have looked at allot of survior cars and never seen any even remotely close to that level of cleanliness, all had dirty undercoating, light haze of surface rust here and there as in the Barracuda example above, etc. Steve/Dave, any input on that?
scott.....i always shy away from superlatives BUT there are 2 things i have no problem pontificating. one is that the 71 charger of mine is the best original unrestored hemicar i have ever seen. the other is that i have put together the worlds largest performance era sign collection on earth. more than chrsler corp, ford motor co, the smitsonian, and every mopar collectors collection combined. this is where i will end the superaltives in my life. theres not much else i am any good at. as far as the cleanliness of the charger goes all i can say is it is an amazingly well kept automobile that was purchased new by an elderly man who knew that hemi production was ending. trust me, it wasnt always that clean. what you saw in my building was the results of a lot of soap, water, and hours of cleaning off dust and grime. frank badalson saw my car in 1981 and it hasnt changed since. did you ever look close at the windshield? i'd bet the wipers havent gone across it a dozen sweeps. orig blades are still pefect.
DAVE...i just got in from a bad broken down roadtrip. as stated on the phone i look fwd to seeing, touching, and smelling your car in person.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: 70RT Charger]
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07/01/08 12:22 AM
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there is NOBODY perfect,well there was this one man who was and they hung him on a cross.Anyways I hope you dont mind if I do buy a few things off of you guys
I love your mention of our Lord and Savior. In life, THAT is all that really matters. I also agree with your comment regarding a “Perfect” anything. I hope you were not directing that comment towards Steve or myself, being that we have NEVER stated or hinted at that particular concept. The Challenger is nothing more than just a car! As I have said before it is the people who make things like this enjoyable. It has been stressful but also gratifying to be involved in a project of this type. I sincerely am not concerned about it placing or receiving an award at the Nationals. I feel satisfied with what we have accomplished but am more excited about the many new products that we will be bringing to the Mopar market due to the efforts involved with this vehicle.
It would be a privilege and honor Mr. 70RT Charger if you considered using our offerings. There is nothing better than seeing our products displayed on the vehicles of people who love and enjoy this hobby!!!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: stevenjuliano]
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07/01/08 01:05 AM
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scott.....i always shy away from superlatives BUT there are 2 things i have no problem pontificating. one is that the 71 charger of mine is the best original unrestored hemicar i have ever seen. the other is that i have put together the worlds largest performance era sign collection on earth. more than chrsler corp, ford motor co, the smitsonian, and every mopar collectors collection combined. this is where i will end the superaltives in my life. theres not much else i am any good at.
B.S. !!
You're a fantastic host.
Our club caravaned down for a tour on Steve's awesome collection. Everyone was shocked and awestruck at the contents of the collection. But everyone (guys and gals) yaked on the way home how great a host Steve was. 
Steve could make a collection of thimbles interesting. And have his guest talking about it for hours on the trip home.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: stevenjuliano]
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07/01/08 09:45 AM
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i look fwd to seeing, touching, and smelling your car in person.
Steven, I think I my be feeling a tinge of uneasiness or possibly a little jealousy! 
(I'll try to call later today to get the details on the trip.)
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
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07/01/08 10:26 AM
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i look fwd to seeing, touching, and smelling your car in person.
Steven, I think I my be feeling a tinge of uneasiness or possibly a little jealousy!
(I'll try to call later today to get the details on the trip.)
dave i was going to bring you a tablespoon of original oil, anti freeze, tranny fluid, washer fluid, etc...to mix in. what are you doing about the air in the tires? can you date code air? i think i had some boob friend act like he date coded air for a mopar action staged photo of the tire on an old 71 hemi cuda i used to own.
SERIOUSLY i am looking forward to seeing this masterpiece in person. this level you have attained is loftier than anyone has ever strived for. how do you tie it down in your trailer? the rear is easy on a EBODY with those wonderful tie down brackets. what about the front? i like to take axle straps and wrap them in a coat of quilted cotton or some micro fibre drying towels. then i go over the kframe with the two of them (under the oil pan). thus no marks on the front suspension AND it eliminates the cars suspension while in transit. i prefer my towed vehicles to move in sync with the trailer not against. your tires are too pretty to strap over plus ive never been comfortable strapping over a tire.
how do i get a private viewing? ....sounds like im trying to see the pope!
as far as me being good at being a host remember i worked the door at a nightclub thru my 20's and early 30s. i was a professional host!
scott...next time you come down i'll get the charger off the ground and you will be happily surprised of its originality. it really is some kind of freak. i'm not much of a 71 charger fan but this one is a serious time capsule.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/01/08 10:52 AM
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When I read this stuff, I wish I had more time to thoroughly look at stuff when I was down, but heck, it was like being in a candy store.....I sorta wandered around with a glazed look. I was at Steve's museum for about 5 or 6 hours and really couldn't give any one car or thing the attention that it deserved.....absolutely amazing! I will say one thing however, and that is that after seeing all that stuff, the one thing that sticks in your mind the most is that Steve is such a great guy with some very interesting stories. to you Steve,  Dave Pelletier
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/01/08 11:05 AM
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...next time you come down i'll get the charger off the ground and you will be happily surprised of its originality. it really is some kind of freak. i'm not much of a 71 charger fan but this one is a serious time capsule.
Sounds great Steve, I'll definately take you up on that one! I hope you'll have most of a day to kill while I'm pouring over it.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/01/08 11:18 AM
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To add to this thread with some positive input. I got to spend the day with Dave and Steve yesterday and just had a great time-what stand up generous guys. After seeing Daves proprietery process of decal reproduction I can say, without a doubt, they are perfect copies of originals he had on site. The computer allows and proves it, as does overlays. I could not believe how much work it was to make a simple VIN door decal! Holy smokes, they are a bargain for the effort required. Enough on that. When seeing this car, I was amazed. I have been studying OE restorations since 1994 when Grinwalds Superbee (Resto Ricks work by the way) started a new standard. Every year since then, I have looked at over 50 OE restorations, along with doing a few myself. Though many have been great in their own respect, I think Dave has duplicated HIS car to an extreme that has not been accomplished to this point-it really is as close to what he started with as humanly possible! It may not be like the next car that came down the line, but it is what Chrysler was TRYING to achieve. Now these are words coming from someone who will be competing in the same OE class as him so I'm not kissing anyones rear-I'm telling it like it is. Though many on this board and are quick to criticize ones work, for one reason or another, I simply say - bring your best effort for all to see and criticize - or go somewhere else I applaud, and respect, anyone out there who goes to the efforts to do the jobs they do. There are a lot of great car restorers on this board (Gary Plessinger-thanks so much, Mike Wilkins, Rick K., and others) that contribute to this hobby and we need to keep it up! To all my friends out there-see ya at Carlisle or the Nats. Now I'm going back to work on a Cuda...
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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07/01/08 11:28 AM
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Now these are words coming from someone who will be competing in the same OE class as him so I'm not kissing anyones rear-I'm telling it like it is.
And words comming from an ICCA OE Show judge to boot!
For anyone who don't know Paul, one thing you can rest assured, he knows his stuff!
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