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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi68charger] #76942
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Yes Troy! Correct you are. Now lets see if you can answer this question:

Where did yours come from?

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Yes Troy! Correct you are. Now lets see if you can answer this question:

Where did yours come from?




Dave, Yours is obviously the Tigers vs. Indians box score from the privious night. Indians won!!

Troy's pic is from the following season.


Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76944
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Yes Troy! Correct you are. Now lets see if you can answer this question:

Where did yours come from?




WoooHoooo !!!!! I got it....

Which car? I have three...........



But, I'll venture to say it came from the Vehicle Travel Form Dept.?


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: moparo] #76945
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Alan

The dip line inside the cars has been done.




Gosh !!! I wish I had the dinero to do my cars like this...... I'll make due.

All you guys rock................


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi68charger] #76946
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OK Dave... Welllllll, what's the Vehicle Traveler form? Is that the form in question in the pictures? America's dying to know here !!!! Did I get it right about the "items/inventory" associated with the car in the trunk upon delivery?.....

Troy


It tracked problems.


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OK Dave... Welllllll, what's the Vehicle Traveler form? Is that the form in question in the pictures? America's dying to know here !!!! Did I get it right about the "items/inventory" associated with the car in the trunk upon delivery?.....

Troy


It tracked problems.




Soooo, I was wrong with my answer?


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi68charger] #76948
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Soooo, I was wrong with my answer?




Nope. You are 100% correct. I spoke extensively tonight with Dave Stuart about this very subject. He has the most unbelievable source of paperwork and factory documents from the sixties and seventies that I have ever seen. It is truly remarkable what you can obtain when you are a bigwig at Chrysler for 20+years. He said that the factory shipped items in the trunk that are (even today) referred to as "loose items". These are not normally covered by the factory warranty and include pieces such as floor mats, front license plate holder, trim rings, manuals, etc.... The vehicle traveler form was used as a quick reference to keep all the items and other paperwork married with the car. I asked Dave what he thought about it being a "problem" form and he said it would not have served that particular purpose. The factory used a separate form that listed problems found with the car. That was used as a reference for the final inspection of the vehicle before it left the manufacturing facilities.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76949
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You're it! Where did you get yours from Mr. T? ...




G60-15 polyglass on a black rim. So mid to late 71-Body in FC7.

99% it's Steve Juliano's 71 Hemi Charger survivor. I think I watched this picture being taken.

Edit...Make that 100% sure. I took that picture myself. There's so much sensory overload at Steve's place you have to picture swap afterwards to see the things you missed.

Same awesome survivor showing there was a defined undercoating line/stencil on the front in certain places...


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76950
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Soooo, I was wrong with my answer?




Nope. You are 100% correct.





Soo, back to my original response..

Thanks Dave.......


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76951
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Soooo, I was wrong with my answer?




Nope. You are 100% correct. I spoke extensively tonight with Dave Stuart about this very subject. He has the most unbelievable source of paperwork and factory documents from the sixties and seventies that I have ever seen. It is truly remarkable what you can obtain when you are a bigwig at Chrysler for 20+years. He said that the factory shipped items in the trunk that are (even today) referred to as "loose items". These are not normally covered by the factory warranty and include pieces such as floor mats, front license plate holder, trim rings, manuals, etc.... The vehicle traveler form was used as a quick reference to keep all the items and other paperwork married with the car. I asked Dave what he thought about it being a "problem" form and he said it would not have served that particular purpose. The factory used a separate form that listed problems found with the car. That was used as a reference for the final inspection of the vehicle before it left the manufacturing facilities.


So... please explain why a front glass stabilizer track guide would be in the trunk?


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: beepbeep] #76952
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So... please explain why a front glass stabilizer track guide would be in the trunk?




Being that I didn't put it there I can't answer that question. I also wouldn't know why a doctor's appointment was written on a factory invoice I had seen but I am sure that was not a factory mandated procedure. If appears that someone ADDED that section you pictured of the vehicle traveler sheet. It certainly was not part of the original sheet. You also can't use one sample to justify every one. I have seen quite a few that had only the top row of processed information filled in. Look at the sample that was said to be Steve Julianos. Nothing but the top row of information is filled out. (It is identical to the top row of a build sheet.) Why would they put a "problem" form with the car if there were no problems to be listed on the sheet? These forms were not considered vague with regards to their specified function. Chrysler was very precise with the paperwork and the intent of their purposes.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: autoxcuda] #76953
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99% it's Steve Juliano's 71 Hemi Charger survivor. I think I watched this picture being taken.




Are you sure that Steven's car is a survivor? (Please, just ignore my joking sarcasm!) I noticed there is about the same amount of paint on his rear seat braces as there are on my white Challenger. I was informed that we applied the paint there too heavy! How is it that my "details" are the only ones that seem to be scrutinized while everyone else's (exact same features) go unnoticed?

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You also can't use one sample to justify every one.


Sure you can, it takes only one... original.


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original.




And there in lies the problem with the scenario. Original vs. being altered by someone after the fact but... being presented as an unaltered original!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76956
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99% it's Steve Juliano's 71 Hemi Charger survivor. I think I watched this picture being taken.




Are you sure that Steven's car is a survivor? (Please, just ignore my joking sarcasm!) I noticed there is about the same amount of paint on his rear seat braces as there are on my white Challenger. I was informed that we applied the paint there too heavy! How is it that my "details" are the only ones that seem to be scrutinized while everyone else's (exact same features) go unnoticed?




Enviroment and conditions make a big difference in looking at original examples. My Barracuda has been registered, driven, and used hard since 1968. Just a So Cal driver. Still the trunk looks pretty decent, but it doesn't look as shiney as the 71 Charger R/T Survivor.

Mine doesn't look as shiney as it did in 1993 when I got it. Unless these cars are in a excellent climate controlled enviroment, they deterioate and de-vole. The pictures show that.

It does leak moisture from the vinyl top molding screws ever so slightly. That's what's given it surface rust under the dutchman and dullness on the X-brace. Still, it doesn't have pock mark on the floor.

You can see the dip line on the X-brace and outer hinge support. And see the spraying direction of the RR1 Maroon. Nothing is even dusted or cleaned here, so it looks pretty dull. For all the un-mentionable wear and tear it couldn't have been too thin in there.

(ignore the hoaky speaker install)



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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Blues_Cuda] #76957
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Those maroon pictures show the "lack of paint" I was referring to, while the purple car shows (somewhat) the oppisite.
Proof is in the pudding. The amount of white paint on the Challeger should only duplicate the amount of paint that was found on the Challenger in the before shots.

I am fascinated with the "before" and "after" firewall shots because it show just how anal you guys are about the squeeze-out of the sealer. It appears pretty darn near right-on to the original photo.

I mearly stated that compared to cars I've seen ...the white car appears to have lots of paint in the trunk area....If you could post "before" shots...

I've stated in my last PM that I'm floored by the amount of time and detail that goes into these OE Gold cars in areas that nobody will ever see. I had no idea what the insides of the green Cuda looked like having only seen it from the outside.

Keep up the GREAT work everybody


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I have also been priviledged to see Mr. Juliano's awesome display and car collection, some truely beautiful examples of ultra rare Mopars!

One thing that has been in the back of my mind since looking at them is how in the heck did the underside of that purple car stay or get so clean? It looked nearly perfect and dirt/dust free when I looked at it. I have looked at allot of survior cars and never seen any even remotely close to that level of cleanliness, all had dirty undercoating, light haze of surface rust here and there as in the Barracuda example above, etc. Steve/Dave, any input on that?

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I have noticed that there is a reoccurring theme that is taking place with one particular person on this thread. It is not how “correct” the car is but how perfectly we have come to duplicating the original characteristics. I am confident that we have accomplished that objective with about 95-96% accuracy. My analogy of “signing your own name the exact same way twice” is a good example of just how hard it is to duplicate anything exactly. This is even more evident when you try to recreate someone else’s spray paint patterns while having to manipulate the exact amount of paint that is coming out of the gun. There are others who have posted pictures of their work and received instant praise for the appearance and what was accomplished. Rightfully so! With my car (and this person) pictures that we post are followed by a demand for pictorial proof so credibility can be established. Double standards certainly seem to be the norm for some but keep in mind that everything we have done to this Challenger has been thought thru completely. I can assure that certain “individual” that we did not simply overlook the correct spray pattern of the entire trunk area. The car is correct for what it represents. It is hard enough to do an OE level restoration on a vehicle. Compound that difficulty with having to match about 10,000 original characteristics as closely as possible! Even if it the car does not walk it’s own footprint with 100% exacting detail, it is still WELL within the range of being a factory appearing vehicle. Having to prove every little aspect to someone who is just hoping for some kind of mistake or hiccup was not the intent of this thread.
Please correct me if I am wrong Mr. Blues Cuda.....Scott.

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This is awesome info and great pics. Some people are just argumentative and are playing Devil's advocate. I don't think, other than maybe early on, their has been any personal attacks on your project, efforts, skills or even results. The more things come to light and the more we discuss it the better the information data base becomes. Things thought to be facts 10 years ago are now discredited. We continue to grow. Share your story and info and 99% of it will be appreciative, even grateful and better off for your efforts to share your experiences. You posess a level of detail that very very few have the patiences to accomplish, the skills, although extraordinary are only a small part of your achievements, the patiences is just not there for most of us.


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76961
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Those maroon pictures show the "lack of paint" I was referring to, while the purple car shows (somewhat) the oppisite.
Proof is in the pudding. The amount of white paint on the Challeger should only duplicate the amount of paint that was found on the Challenger in the before shots....




But define "before": 2-3 year ago pictures of a 35+ year old car or the pictures of the car the day it was purchased by the original owner?? I think you have to be careful with some references because this stuff ages.

This white Challenger certainly did not live as pampered of a life as the FC7 Hemi 71 Charger R/T.

At some point this is a Catch 22. If a car is so perfect to get the best before restoration references, it probably shouldn't be restored anyway.


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