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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76902
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Lets see the "grey dip line" throughout the complete interior...imcompassing the entire inner doors and 1/4 window area....Lets see the bare steel on the underside of the rear speaker shelf....The bare steel on the inside of the roof panel or behind the dash.....Come on.....DETAILS baby....LETS SEE THE GOOD STUFF




We simply left the original "stuff" Alan. It was that nicely preserved. We did put the dip lines on the exterior inner fender areas however. I had someone point out a dip line in their trunk to me last year at the Nationals. It was kinda funny because that particular area of the dip line should have been covered by the paint. I guess showing off their "awareness" of that "feature" was more important than thinking through the logic of how it would have originally looked. Here is the original dip interior line (along with another neatly reproduced detail) that you inquired about.

Keep in mind Alan that the judges do not tear apart your car's interior for OE judging.

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76903
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Hey Dave, Any chance you guys could put together a photo CD of all these before and after pictures for people to purchase? Something Similar to Barrys 173 mile TA CD. I don't remember how much they cost, $20 each maybe?

Tav

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Hey Dave, Any chance you guys could put together a photo CD of all these before and after pictures for people to purchase? Something Similar to Barrys 173 mile TA CD. I don't remember how much they cost, $20 each maybe?

Tav




Hi Tav,
Hope the VIN decal looked OK! If I don't have a stroke in the next 5 weeks I might start to think about the overall project and see what direction things take us in. Thanks for the input.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Mike Mancini] #76905
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You're not understanding Dave's intentions. He is restoring the car to OEM 1970 specifications. All details are being reproduced as documented during the disassembly of his specific example.

Mike Mancini




This time, I'm not being critical. (I did chase someone off of here by questioning his restoration of the blackout treatment on his radiator support once, but that's a separate story ). I'm just asking a question. I understand that this is restoring a specific detail as originally configured but why not allow an improvement over the original sloppy placement of the tire decal for example. If it was placed a little straighter than the assembly guy who rushed it, it would look a little neater. You still have the documentation of how it was originally and what you did differently. The worker could have just as easily originally put it on straight as to not... just like it could be done now if one chooses to. It's just personal preference and I don't think anyone would criticize a better placement of the decal. There will be those that question the workmanship and you'll have to pull out that huge photo album everytime to show them how you matched the original workmanship. I might be tempted to put the decal on straight or make a few other improvements just to put my own "mark" on the car. Either way, the work is beautiful.

PS- I'd still like to know the finish/color of the driveshaft?

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PS- I'd still like to know the finish/color of the driveshaft?


The driveshaft is left natural steel with a burn pattern where the ends are welded

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #76907
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This time, I'm not being critical. (I did chase someone off of here by questioning his restoration of the blackout treatment on his radiator support once, but that's a separate story ). I'm just asking a question. I understand that this is restoring a specific detail as originally configured but why not allow an improvement over the original sloppy placement of the tire decal for example. If it was placed a little straighter than the assembly guy who rushed it, it would look a little neater. You still have the documentation of how it was originally and what you did differently. The worker could have just as easily originally put it on straight as to not... just like it could be done now if one chooses to. It's just personal preference and I don't think anyone would criticize a better placement of the decal. There will be those that question the workmanship and you'll have to pull out that huge photo album everytime to show them how you matched the original workmanship. I might be tempted to put the decal on straight or make a few other improvements just to put my own "mark" on the car. Either way, the work is beautiful.

PS- I'd still like to know the finish/color of the driveshaft?





I understand and agree with Daves mindset on this type of detailing. He wouldn't lose points as long as it's in the area agreed to be "correct" but putting it back as close to the original adds a certain degree of added individuallity back to the car. Nice work Dave, I hope to have the opportunity to judge it in an OE event someday.


Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: sam c] #76908
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The driveshaft is left natural steel with a burn pattern where the ends are welded





Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76909
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Blues_Cuda] #76910
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I tried to capture the finish of the valve covers on this one.

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #76911
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but why not allow an improvement over the original sloppy placement of the tire decal for example. If it was placed a little straighter than the assembly guy who rushed it, it would look a little neater.




I think that 99% of ALL manufacturer decals were placed at the factory a bit crooked. To put any decal on with precise straightness would be an effort that I don't think any employee would have taken the time to do. We manufacture decals for the older muscle cars and they are certainly a nice detailed touch of nostalgia for the restoration markets. These neat little items (back then) were nothing more than a necessary evil that were federally mandated for emissions, tire pressure, radiator coolant, etc..... The factory didn't care how they went on just as long as they were applied in close proximity to the specified area. Most people who bought the cars in 1970 didn't even pay attention to them until they were faced with adding coolant, air to the tires or checking the timing. I don't like the "sloppiest" look but I don't mind a little "realism" or "variation" when it comes to the placement. I see many cars at shows that line up the air cleaner wing nuts either perfectly vertical or horizontally. I see the GM guys that position their "Delco Battery" caps to where the lines are in a perfect horizontal pattern. Another deliberate “position” is when the valve stems of a wheel are lined up perfectly with the Goodyear winged foot logo, right above it. I think that detracts from the detail of the car and comes across as being "cheesy" looking. To each their own I guess. I also like a nicer look however. Some aspects and details killed me to have to recreate on this vehicle but what the heck….. it was correct for the car.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Blues_Cuda] #76912
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Hello Scott,
Just a tidbit of info about the engine paint and the finish. We spent over a week and a half coming up with a paint mix and air pressure to get that look. Dave Stuart (Dodge Material) was basically responsible for helping with the final color that we came up with. I could go on about Dave but the list is too long. While I am at it, Terry McCann provided so many detail orientated NOS parts for this project. Without his input and assistance, I would have had a very difficult time finding some of the NOS parts that were critical for this restoration. Dr. Dennis Veronikis was also a tremendous help with parts and original car/parts references. (Besides being the best in his medical field, you should see some of his cars! Three new ZO6's, two Brand new Ferraris, two new Lamborghinis, a new Viper, two new Supercharged Mercedes, etc....and I do mean etc….) There are many other people I could mention.
Thanks again guys!!!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: sixpaktoogo] #76913
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Hello Dan,
Great to hear from you!! That steering wheel is currently looking good while holding the steering column in place. Thanks for the input and I hope to see you at the Nats.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: DodgeMaterial] #76914
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Dave W- No embellishments at all - you and Steve are taking the most extreme measures to ensure that this Challenger is like a factory assembled brand new 1970 Challenger. If anything you have been too humble. I know some folks have to be negative and you rightfully stand up to them. No one but a few of us that know you and watch your efforts, research and determination for perfection understand - that is until everyone sees the results! Thanks for taking us back to 1970! Dave




My sentiments exactly, I couldn't have stated it any better than what Dave says here.

Over the top Dave and Steve
Bruce

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Hey Bruce,
My main man up north!! How are you doing? You have also been a big help over these last few months providing some really neat parts and great advice. The factory valance marker light lenses (without the NOS replacement "tell tale" incorrect Julian dates molded in the plastic) were a great acquisition and nice factory correct detail. Thanks again for everything Bruce. Take care and I will talk to you soon.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76916
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Here's another................

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76917
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You guys have any front fender underside pics of the wheel well area? I would appreciate it...


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Dave, what you and Steve are presenting us with is a caliber of restoration that could only
been dreamed of in the past. The effort involved is unimaginable. The hours, the research and the money
are only part of it. I believe the toughest part is to maintain the drive to achieve the goal.
From the few pictures posted so far, the parts are stunning. Congratulations.
Jules

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Dave, what you and Steve are presenting us with is a caliber of restoration that could only
been dreamed of in the past. The effort involved is unimaginable. The hours, the research and the money
are only part of it. I believe the toughest part is to maintain the drive to achieve the goal.
From the few pictures posted so far, the parts are stunning. Congratulations.
Jules




Nicely stated, Jules

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Jules Buddy,
With that NOS rally cluster and wiper motor AND original A/C box, I certainly can't forget the parts and help (friendship) you have provided. You better be there in August! Chris Brown out of Colorado also brought a trailer load of the larger NOS parts up here about two years ago. Then there is Mr. Steven Juliano. He has been great with some of the most difficult, hard to find clamps and other detail pieces. We have to get him to come on here and tell the 50 cent story!!! Every time I think of it I literally laugh myself into tears. Keep those pockets jingling Steven.

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I hope my Hemi Charger looks half as good as this car.


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