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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: VCODE] #76922
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Check out the side of the block. I didn't even notice at first, but Dave pointed it out to me.

(On my computer, it is easier to see what I am referring to if you were to step back a couple feet.)




Here's one without paint:




BTW Great post

Any meaning? Cylinder or piston size?
IIRC in the 70's working on 440 engines pistons had letters or numbers on them.That's a long time ago
Bob




I've had a couple PM's & emails about the letters on the block... I was told by a retired gentleman who worked on engine assembly that it was to match bore sizes to pistons.

Rick

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: RestoRick] #76923
06/25/08 01:39 PM
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I was told by a retired gentleman who worked on engine assembly that it was to match bore sizes to pistons.

Rick



That is true, I've toured the Chrysler Trenton Engine and Chrysler Kenosha Engine Plants, they have pistons that are machined a few ten thousandths of an inch bigger and smaller to get the proper fit.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Dave Watt] #76924
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Not to steer this thread off course... This NOS block reads QPPQ on the other side...

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: 68jim] #76925
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They still do the exact same thing today.

Very nice you guys!!


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76926
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What I want to see is the MIND BLOWING stuff, stuff other restorers wouldn't even dream of doing.....

DETAILS baby....LETS SEE THE GOOD STUFF





Here is a rather rare touch for a detail Alan. You mentioned details that are really not so rare in the mix of things. Care to guess what the paper taped to the inside of the trunk wheel well is?

Hint: Every car was shipped with one. They didn't always make it past dealership delivery
prep.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: hemi68charger] #76927
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You guys have any front fender underside pics of the wheel well area? I would appreciate it...



Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76928
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What is the plan for a battery for this car??

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: HPMike] #76929
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76930
06/26/08 08:35 AM
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Here is a rather rare touch for a detail Alan. You mentioned details that are really not so rare in the mix of things. Care to guess what the paper taped to the inside of the trunk wheel well is?

Hint: Every car was shipped with one. They didn't always make it past dealership delivery
prep.




You got me there...I'm not sure ...I'm going to say some pre-delivery inspection form ...

I need to see the "before" picture proving the the location is accurate and the correct type of tape is being used. Not to mention the information on the sheet pertaining to your car is 100% legitimate.

All kidding aside...I'm fascinated by the comparision of the "before" and "after" shots more then anything. The time spent duplicating the squeeze-out of the firewall sealer is "mind blowing".

Before anybody can accuratly say something is wrong, they should see the "before" pictures. Every car is different.

I'm going to say the spray pattern in the front wheel well looks odd, and there's too much white in the front area (behind the seat) of the trunk. I say ODD not WRONG. But I'm convinced that any questions by an official judge will be answered by your extreme amount of proof in pictures GREAT JOB


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76931
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Hint: Every car was shipped with one. They didn't always make it past dealership delivery
prep.




Dave,,,, a list of anything that was left in the trunk for the dealer to install upon delivery, i.e. hub caps, spoilers, etc?.. Wild guess..

Also, great item for detail and thanks for the shot of the front fender underside......


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76932
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EXTREMLY GREAT IDEA FOR DAVE W. OF ECS

Dave has stated that the 2008 Mopar Nationals in Columbus Ohio is going to be the ONE and ONLY show for this over the top resto which leaves a lot of us dissapointed that we may never get to see this work of art.

I've figured out the perfect show to display this car at. Lets all band together and ask Dave nicely to bring it to....

THE 1970 DEALERSHIP DISPLAY IN CARLISLE 2010

Wouldn't that be the perfect place ???? This tele-ported over the top car could be displayed in a show room just as it would in 1970 Surround by 1970 dealership displays....

I think it's PERFECT...what'da you say

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76933
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**I'm not sure**

Alan, Come on now. You have gone from “I’m not sure” to assuming placement, correct tape, and legitimacy of your admitted unknown?! I thought you said wanted the “good Stuff”?!

**I'm going to say the spray pattern in the front wheel well looks odd**

That “odd” pattern is the dip line Alan. You know... that “rare detail” that you spelled out in an earlier post. I thought you would have been the first to recognize the format of it's appearance. The car entered the dip tank at about a 40-45 degree angle. That is the dark line you see. The lighter color behind it is the very first coat of light gray phosphate primer that was fogged in every crevice of the car at the beginning of the paint process. The rest is paint residue/over spray and undercoat.

**there's too much white in the front area (behind the seat) of the trunk. **

Based on?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76934
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**I'm not sure**

Alan, Come on now. You have gone from “I’m not sure” to assuming placement, correct tape, and legitimacy of your admitted unknown?! I thought you said wanted the “good Stuff”?!

**I'm going to say the spray pattern in the front wheel well looks odd**

That “odd” pattern is the dip line Alan. You know... that “rare detail” that you spelled out in an earlier post. I thought you would have been the first to recognize the format of it's appearance. The car entered the dip tank at about a 40-45 degree angle. That is the dark line you see. The lighter color behind it is the very first coat of light gray phosphate primer that was fogged in every crevice of the car at the beginning of the paint process. The rest is paint residue/over spray and undercoat.

**there's too much white in the front area (behind the seat) of the trunk. **

Based on?




Dave...no need to get defensive....
First off...I didn't assume placement of the paper in the trunk...you did! I was joking when I asked for proof of placement, hence the lauging green head.

I was referring to the under coating on the inner appron side of the front wheel well not the fender side. People often photogragh these areas. It would be interesting to see the "before" shots as it appears odd it comparision to other "before" shots I've seen. Again, your car is the only evidence of proof.
The dip line I was reffering to is most evident in the cars interior compartment. I've never seen anybody reproduce this yet in an OE level car, but I guess it's like you said...The judges don't remove the interior, so I guess the un-seen doesn't really matter.

The amount of white paint on the X brace in the trunk appears to be "a lot" in my opinion. I've never worked with anything but rusty Northern cars so I'm not going to say it's too much, however the cars I've dismantled are usually pretty rusty in that area due to a lack of paint.


This post is moving along in a very positive manner....there is no use in getting defensive when people like myself are only trying to learn from guys with more experience. Please don't consider my questions as "cheap shots"


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76935
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Here is a rather rare touch for a detail Alan. You mentioned details that are really not so rare in the mix of things. Care to guess what the paper taped to the inside of the trunk wheel well is?

Hint: Every car was shipped with one. They didn't always make it past dealership delivery
prep.





pick me!!!!....pick me!!

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76936
06/26/08 09:56 AM
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The dip line inside the cars has been done.

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: moparo] #76938
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Now that is MIND BLOWING....What a thing of beauty....Must be a Canadian thing....

Thanks Mauro for sharing!


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76939
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Mr. Alan
Please know that I was not being defensive. The bad thing about typing is you can never see the emotional intent. I don't always use those “Gremlins” because I don't feel or see the same things that obviously come through for others. Sorry if it came across that way.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Troy] #76940
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You're it! Where did you get yours from Mr. T? I was made aware of this Vehicle Traveler form from David Wise a few years ago. He was one of the very first guys to call me and help out with many of the items we offer in our product lines. He is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge and information, as I am sure many of you already know. A huge thanks to Big Dave for all of his input and involvement with the hobby!!!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76941
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You're it! Where did you get yours from Mr. T? I was made aware of this Vehicle Traveler form from David Wise a few years ago. He was one of the very first guys to call me and help out with many of the items we offer in our product lines. He is a great guy and a wealth of knowledge and information, as I am sure many of you already know. A huge thanks to Big Dave for all of his input and involvement with the hobby!!!




OK Dave... Welllllll, what's the Vehicle Traveler form? Is that the form in question in the pictures? America's dying to know here !!!! Did I get it right about the "items/inventory" associated with the car in the trunk upon delivery?.....

Troy


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