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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76842 06/22/08 12:38 PM 06/22/08 12:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger master
hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Hi Troy, I got your PM and have been asked this a few times so I thought would answer everyone in one swipe. The strut rod hardware/rubber are all NOS replacements. We did not need to replate any of the pieces that came in the kits. They are the same color BROWN as the hood latches, horn bolts, etc.... Once again the photos make them look different than what they actually look like in person. I also have over 200 pictures (just like the one below) documenting EVERY NOS part that was used on this car. We will also have a book made up showing those photos for everyone to view. Good to hear from you Troy! Take care. DW Are those NOS strut hardware still available? Would love to get a pair for my hemi Charger... Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: A12] #76843 06/22/08 12:44 PM 06/22/08 12:44 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	Quote: WOW! They only came with 4-lug nuts in '70, I never knew that? Yes, but do know why that lugnut had not yet been installed? Anyone??? Last edited by ECS; 06/22/08 12:53 PM.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76844 06/22/08 01:12 PM 06/22/08 01:12 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,836 Florida M mopar346 Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
mopar346 Let me tell ya about fat chicks! M Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,836 Florida	THe 5th one was always in the PDI package for the dealer to install instead of the wheel lock that had to be on them due to the factory being in Detroit. Careful, your character's showing!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: mopar346] #76845 06/22/08 01:21 PM 06/22/08 01:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	Quote: THe 5th one was always in the PDI package for the dealer to install instead of the wheel lock that had to be on them due to the factory being in Detroit. You are close but here is what we found after researching the subject. (This was also verified by Bill Embree who actually did this job at the plant.) Answer: We just haven�t put the yellow inspection dot on the lug stem yet! When the tires and wheels were installed at the factory, the guy doing the mounting would line up the tire valve stem with the lug stud that had a yellow dot on the end of it. The valve stem was positioned in conjunction with the white balancing mark (not necessarily lined up with one another) on the back sidewall of the tire. This process kept everything in balance when the wheels were finally mounted.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76846 06/22/08 01:48 PM 06/22/08 01:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: WOW! They only came with 4-lug nuts in '70, I never knew that? Yes, but do know why that lugnut had not yet been installed? Anyone??? I was hoping that was the last NOS part you haven't found yet....Only because I have one single NOS one still in the paper bag and was going to offer it to you ($$$$$$)....oh well *CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !*

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76847 06/22/08 01:52 PM 06/22/08 01:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts
Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	I just stumbled upon this thread and - wow! - this is too cool! I love the rarer stripe combos, and as my car is white/blue, I am always on the lookout for this obvious-yet-rare color combo. I know of one Six Pack hardtop in this color combo, but that's the only Challenger I've heard of like this. I know of a few blue-striped cars but they all seem to be various blues, with B5 being the most common. Can't wait!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76848 06/22/08 02:06 PM 06/22/08 02:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	Thanks Alan, As an added note, Steve Been just reminded me of something that I left out concerning the lug/stud issue. The drum assemblies had counter weights that allowed them to be balanced just like the tires. The weights were sometimes drilled in order to get the desired balance. The yellow dot found on the pressed in stud was a quick reference inspection mark that allowed the tire to be mounted without the employee having to figure out where to position the wheel. I guess the engineers were a little more attentive to design issues than we give them credit for!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Blues_Cuda] #76849 06/22/08 02:58 PM 06/22/08 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 310 SW Wisconsin Andy440 enthusiast
Andy440 enthusiast Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 310 SW Wisconsin	Car looks very very very nice! Keep up the good work! Looks better than new! Do you have the Blue stripe on yet? I'd like to see how the stripe on white looks. I love the odd combination and stripe cars. Andy

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Andy440] #76850 06/22/08 04:20 PM 06/22/08 04:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Quote: Car looks very very very nice! Keep up the good work! Looks better than new! Andy Ouch...Don't say that! Then we can call it over-restored *CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !*

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76851 06/22/08 04:42 PM 06/22/08 04:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	Quote: Quote: Car looks very very very nice! Keep up the good work! Looks better than new! Andy Ouch...Don't say that! Then we can call it over-restored Alan....you have forgot that there is no such thing as "over restored" car. Restored means to bring back to original. Any deviation is just that; deviated or altered. It can't look better than new because it is simply......factory NEW looking!

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Andy440] #76852 06/22/08 04:50 PM 06/22/08 04:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	We are very close to having the correct stripes finished. It has taken months to get them to where they have the exact shape, contours and bends as the originals. Steve literally took the entire side of an original car to our graphics guru to match the factory version to the letter. Notice in one of the pictures there is a white stripe on the car. This is low tack striping that we use to die cut and trial fit after each change is made. Oh yes, I almost forgot�.these will be just like going back to 1970 and getting a set from the factory!!! (Couldn�t resist that but once again, absolutely true.)

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76853 06/22/08 06:32 PM 06/22/08 06:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 866 B b5rr super stock
b5rr super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 866	Dave, thanks for the response. I'd looked at quite a few original cars and couldn't remember seeing the undercoating extend back to the rear bumper. Guess the guy that told me is probably mistaken. Just one comment, it would be cool if you could take the car to Carlisle next year and arrange to put on a Q & A regarding how you restored the car. I bet the Carlisle management would jump at something like that. Keep up the good work. Mike

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76854 06/22/08 06:38 PM 06/22/08 06:38 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,539 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,539 It's a dry heat	I may regret getting involved , but have to question the upper hose to be correctly shaped for this application https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=4502668

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: gtx6970] #76855 06/22/08 06:48 PM 06/22/08 06:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,662 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,662 Hamtramck, PA	Quote: I may regret getting involved , but have to question the upper hose to be correctly shaped for this application https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=4502668 and the fan clutch? 69-70 had the smooth face, right? Barry runs and hides.....

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Alaskan_TA] #76856 06/22/08 06:58 PM 06/22/08 06:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: I may regret getting involved , but have to question the upper hose to be correctly shaped for this application https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=4502668 Quote: and the fan clutch? 69-70 had the smooth face, right? Barry runs and hides..... I think you would determine the fan clutch by the build sheet? My small block 71 340 with A/C car had the same fan clutch as in the above picture A 3462 107 as apposed to 3462 112 on my 71 440+6 car.....May be an A/C thing? And I'm sure the upper rad hose is a correct NOS piece as per the BCS. How does he get 35 year old NOS parts, like the PS hose, to look brand new without replating it? These guys really need to write a book of all their secrets....I like the Carlisle 2009 Q & A idea

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #76857 06/22/08 07:16 PM 06/22/08 07:16 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	Quote: May be an A/C thing? And I'm sure the upper rad hose is a correct NOS piece as per the BCS. How does he get 35 year old NOS parts, like the PS hose, to look brand new without replating it? These guys really need to write a book of all their secrets....I like the Carlisle 2009 Q & A idea Your good Alan! It is an A/C thing. Would you be interested in the doubles and even triple parts that were bought while trying to obtain examples that we could work without re-plating the original finish? The only parts we re-colored (with our acid process) were the natural bare metal pieces like ball joints, tie rods, cast iron, forged steel, drive shaft, etc.... All the "pretty" colorful metal pieces still have their original finish. I stand corrected. There were some gold finished pieces (such as the front fender turn signal housings) that Steve is able to make look brand new again with his plating. We can do things like the power steering hose fittings. Last edited by ECS; 06/22/08 07:28 PM.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76858 06/22/08 07:41 PM 06/22/08 07:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,539 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,539 It's a dry heat	but what about the upper hose ? this application should have the 2863257 upper hose. but by the looks of it, it has 2806186 and the red zinc corbin clamp on the power steering return hose. was it the OE installed hose when removed before resto ?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: gtx6970] #76859 06/22/08 07:58 PM 06/22/08 07:58 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA E ECS David Walden
ECS David Walden E Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,711 USA	Hi Bill, When I bought this hose I was told it was for this application. You might be correct and I will see which one I should have. Thank you very much for bringing this to light! The red corbin clamp was removed from the unit and it was definitely the one that came on this unmolested pump. (Even those hoses are the correct original date coded examples.) I have also seen Wittic screw clamps used for this type of application. On a separate not Bill..... the negative cable I bought from you a few months ago was NOT the one you see on this engine. I bought the reproduction to see how close it was to my original so I could point out the differences during judging. (Both positive and negative cables are NOS originals.)

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #76860 06/22/08 08:04 PM 06/22/08 08:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,539 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,539 It's a dry heat	Quote: On a separate not Bill..... the negative cable I bought from you a few months ago was NOT the one you see on this engine. I bought the reproduction to see how close it was to my original so I could point out the differences during judging. Care to share ? Hope to meet up in August

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: gtx6970] #76861 06/22/08 08:17 PM 06/22/08 08:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,519 Buffalo, NY U.S.A. MrNormsTA master
MrNormsTA master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,519 Buffalo, NY U.S.A.	Looks great, nice challenge guys. Are paint runs going to be duplicated for instance on the heater box and stampings done with smears ect, ect. Decals crooked? I have taken a few original cars apart and it amazes me how rushed many of these procedures were done. I see perfect stampings and detail on many of these items on the top notch restos. How are those items going to be tackled on this car guys, thanks? Keep up the good work. Rick.

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