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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
#76783
06/21/08 12:00 PM
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David Walden
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: a12superbee]
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06/21/08 12:27 PM
06/21/08 12:27 PM
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David Walden
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Beautiful. I'd love to see more. 
Thanks.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: earlybee]
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06/21/08 01:51 PM
06/21/08 01:51 PM
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David Walden
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In the 70,s at my old Dodge dealership parts dept job we had the grease/oil/trailer hitch guy spray the undercoating on new cars on a lift. I did a few myself. No two had the same spray pattern/thickness. So the words (the way it left the factory) does not make sense to me. Should be the way it left the dealership. Oh well, Nice Work! Carry on 
I'm sorry but I didn't completely understand where you were coming from regarding your statement. Did you work at the factory or did you work at a dealership? The factory used templates that made the undercoat pattern very similar on most cars. If you personally sprayed undercoat at a dealership, that was not too much different than having Ziebart do the process after buying the car. With this project we were concerned with what the factory offered, not a secondary, unstructured process that was provided after the fact.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
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06/21/08 02:39 PM
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Dave, Absolutely superb work. Yourself & Steve deserve a pat on the back for the sheer fact that you care enough about the history and preservation of these cars to put the time, effort and money into this insane level of detail and correctness. Believe me it is insanity and I share the same affliction. I can not wait to see the car 1st hand and talk to you about it in person. You're one of the greatest in my book.  -Michael Mancini
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
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06/21/08 03:56 PM
06/21/08 03:56 PM
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Thats absolutely beautiful work,but if your gonna talk the talk you have to walk the walk,If i were judging your car I would minus you for having way too much white underneath,(not enough primer showing)it looks like in the pics you purposely painted underneath the car except for the center hump,it needs more of a overspray affect on it.Im not downing your work the rest looks friggin awesome.But you said you were going to make a car look liked it timed warped from the 70's, you either got to back it up or eat crow,sorry I had to be a critic.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: 70RT Charger]
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06/21/08 04:11 PM
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Thats absolutely beautiful work,but if your gonna talk the talk you have to walk the walk,If i were judging your car I would minus you for having way too much white underneath,(not enough primer showing)it looks like in the pics you purposely painted underneath the car except for the center hump,it needs more of a overspray affect on it.Im not downing your work the rest looks friggin awesome.But you said you were going to make a car look liked it timed warped from the 70's, you either got to back it up or eat crow,sorry I had to be a critic.
You may be grasping at straws? I think the light makes the gray look lighter than it is.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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06/21/08 04:34 PM
06/21/08 04:34 PM
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70RT Charger
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Now!
Thats absolutely beautiful work,but if your gonna talk the talk you have to walk the walk,If i were judging your car I would minus you for having way too much white underneath,(not enough primer showing)it looks like in the pics you purposely painted underneath the car except for the center hump,it needs more of a overspray affect on it.Im not downing your work the rest looks friggin awesome.But you said you were going to make a car look liked it timed warped from the 70's, you either got to back it up or eat crow,sorry I had to be a critic.
You may be grasping at straws? I think the light makes the gray look lighter than it is.
Yes you may be exactly right JD,could be a lighter color primer,or to glossy of a primer,but if you notice the front firewall pic looked like alot white under there to.
Last edited by 70RT Charger; 06/21/08 04:35 PM.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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06/21/08 04:44 PM
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St. Louis, MO
DodgeMaterial
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I have personally seen this car through the whole process. You will have to trust me - the bottom is right-on. The flash / camera makes it look brighter/whiter than it is. If you look at the before picture Dave posted of the bottom you will see the same amount of over-spray... just the "fresh" version is easier to see the white. Dave
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: DodgeMaterial]
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06/21/08 05:02 PM
06/21/08 05:02 PM
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I have personally seen this car through the whole process. You will have to trust me - the bottom is right-on. The flash / camera makes it look brighter/whiter than it is. If you look at the before picture Dave posted of the bottom you will see the same amount of over-spray... just the "fresh" version is easier to see the white. Dave
I believe you 100% Dave,I just couldnt see a dominate overspay line in the "fresh" version picture like you see on the originals,I still believe there is still something wrong with color of the primer,even with the light or flash of a camera the primer should appear to be a little more duller or darker.Im not going to say its wrong though,pictures can lie,but the rest of the car looks awesome according to the pics
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: 70RT Charger]
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06/21/08 05:28 PM
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Thats absolutely beautiful work,but if your gonna talk the talk you have to walk the walk,If i were judging your car I would minus you for having way too much white underneath,(not enough primer showing)it looks like in the pics you purposely painted underneath the car except for the center hump,it needs more of a overspray affect on it.Im not downing your work the rest looks friggin awesome.But you said you were going to make a car look liked it timed warped from the 70's, you either got to back it up or eat crow,sorry I had to be a critic.
I tend to agree you, however we can all agree that photos can be decieving. In the two photos posted by ECS it seems that there is way too much white coimg down from the firewall and the sides on the finished shot. I have not seen the car, (and I guess I never will) so I can only judge the photos posted. Unfortunate because I don't like being an armchair critic based solely on decieving photos. In another photo posted it looks like the strut washers a gold plated  (on my screen anyways)
I'm sure the car will surpass everyone's expectations...Dave will see to it
I can wait to see it in magazines 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: DodgeMaterial]
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06/21/08 05:33 PM
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David Walden
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I have personally seen this car through the whole process. You will have to trust me - the bottom is right-on. The flash / camera makes it look brighter/whiter than it is. If you look at the before picture Dave posted of the bottom you will see the same amount of over-spray... just the "fresh" version is easier to see the white. Dave ot
Thanks for jumping in Dave but you have to remember that some people do not have the ability to look at the 40 year old weathered original car and visualize what it looked like when it was new. I am just waiting for someone to say that we did not put back the same amount of surface rust and dents that showed in the "before" pictures. Just for future reference, I can assure those who are drawing conclusions from just ONE picture, that ALL characteristics of the car were precisely restored to their original dimensions.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
#76800
06/21/08 05:46 PM
06/21/08 05:46 PM
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hemi68charger
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This has turned into a very interesting thread since I'm cruising down the same path as the 'Cuda, to a certain degree of course. I'm pretty much doing all this myself other than paint and body. BUT, I am the one telling the shop what and how to do it.... As you can see from the picture, I have the bottom side already in the primer paint I bought from Dave Patik over at PCG. I told my paint gent to "place himself" in the shoes of the painter at the assembly line at the time.... I've told Bill when it comes to the sides of the car, shot the car as to get color on the bottom of the rockers and the overspray will go where it goes. No science about it, just spray.... Sounds oversimplified of course..... In a perfect world, I'd have him spray the inside of the trunk with the primer as to duplicate the level at which the car was dipped and then paint color... I'm sure there would be signs of primer in the corners and cracks of the trunk area that color didn't touch. I'm sure the glossiness is too much since this is paint that looks like primer, but as you can imagine, I'm also interested in real paint, corrosion control and ease of cleaning... Oh well.. I love this sort of stuff and wish I had the financial resources to go full bore.. I'll do what I can do and be happy......... I applaud the work of those like Steve, Dave, Roger & Frank, and Alan.... Yes: I'll be taking the paint off the attach hardware you see there.. 
Last edited by hemi68charger; 06/21/08 05:51 PM.
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