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Any hope for good power 73 340 - #741663
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I bought a 73 Roadrunner with a 340/727 - all original. Gutless as it sits compared to previous cars I've owned. I know it's heavy, but it's also real pleasure to drive. I'd like to keep the 3:23's (maybe 3:55's) - outside of that I'm wide open to suggestions (about to pull it and rebuild/refresh) I'd like it to be impressive - no whimp-mobile. Is 416 the only way to go (also have a 440 - not opposed to that route, but prefer original 340) Thanks for the input.

Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: AverageJoe] #741664
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Since it's an original 340 car, my suggestion would be to put the 340 away (if it's the original) and build a stroker from a 360 block. If it's not the original 340, then build a stroker with it. You can make power with the stock bottom end, but it will still be lacking low end torque.

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It is the original motor (95,000 miles). I know these years don't command the prices other years do (yet?), but I like the 73/4 for some reason over the 71/2. Anyway, thanks for the response - and as I said, I do have a 440 nd trans as well. Didn't know if going the big block swap would be worthwhile for what I'm looking for. At least with the 360 I could keep it looking original. Dunno.

Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: AverageJoe] #741666
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It is the original motor (95,000 miles). I know these years don't command the prices other years do (yet?), but I like the 73/4 for some reason over the 71/2. Anyway, thanks for the response - and as I said, I do have a 440 nd trans as well. Didn't know if going the big block swap would be worthwhile for what I'm looking for. At least with the 360 I could keep it looking original. Dunno.




what's your budget? I'd personally keep it small block. if you're on a budget, I'd pack the 340 away, pick up a magnum 360, rebuild that with KB107 pistons, some prepped RHS heads from brian at IMM (magnum style redrilled to LA bolt pattern to use cheaper SBC rockers) and a roller cam using stock magnum lifters, and for rockers, probably some Scorpion Performance SBC 1.5 ratio rockers (1.6's might get unstable at high RPM with such a heavy lifter and aggressive lobes). for an off the shelf cam, I'd look at a comp XR268HR-10, run an eddie RPM air gap, LD340, or RPM, headers, and a 750-800cfm carb...should make ~400-410 HP and probably 440 lb ft of torque, and be ~ $3500 to build...


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Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: patrick] #741667
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Thank you for the input - that's what I'm looking for - just want a little respect and get out of my own way. These cars are heavy (hence the comfort and ride) but I can't drive a slouch, especially badged "Roadrunner". I'm an A body guy to the bone - but couldn't pass this up - feels like a luxury car compared to Dart/Dusters, but sure don't have the giddyup.

Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: AverageJoe] #741668
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I don't think I'd want anything but a big block under the hood of mine. Everything fits quite well and it's just at home there. But then mine was an original 318 satellite, nothing is #'s matching now and nobody is going to cry over anything I do to this car. With yours being an original 340 car, I would be tempted to take the 340 and stroke it to a 416, put a set of headers and a 6-pack on it. Would make for a sweet ride and I think give you the power you are looking for. I would likely not pull the original 340 just to sit on it. You do that and that 340 will never make it back into that car. These cars, even your #'s matching 340 car do not command the value of the older ones and they never will. At least if you rebuild it into a stroker the orignal block will make it back under the hood and you can build it for a lot of power yet look pretty stock-ish from the outside.

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I don't think I'd want anything but a big block under the hood of mine. Everything fits quite well and it's just at home there. But then mine was an original 318 satellite, nothing is #'s matching now and nobody is going to cry over anything I do to this car. With yours being an original 340 car, I would be tempted to take the 340 and stroke it to a 416, put a set of headers and a 6-pack on it. Would make for a sweet ride and I think give you the power you are looking for. I would likely not pull the original 340 just to sit on it. You do that and that 340 will never make it back into that car. These cars, even your #'s matching 340 car do not command the value of the older ones and they never will. At least if you rebuild it into a stroker the orignal block will make it back under the hood and you can build it for a lot of power yet look pretty stock-ish from the outside.




good points....if you wanted to keep the original 340 block, I'd still go the RHS heads, etc, and I'd personally run a hydraulic roller or maybe a small solid roller with some less aggressive lobes to get some longevity out of the valvetrain....for sheer power, a 4" stroke crank, with some dished pistons and the RHS heads to get compression ~10-10.5:1 would still be pump gas friendly with a roller cam in the 224-230@.050 range and work well with the 3.23's...on a budget, I'd go KB flat tops and the stock crank, should still be able to get ~10:1 with that combo and RHS heads....I'd still buck up for a roller cam, but probably stay in the 215-218@.050 range...

another option, is to contact some of the builders, brian at IMM had a 4" stroke/RHS head flat tappet hydraulic combo that was about $5k intake to pan that pushed his duster to the low 11's (search the race forum), and Jesse Lackman had a hydraulic roller combo using old RHS magnum heads that made
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Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: patrick] #741670
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i think you would be ahead power to dollar ratio wize, putting the 440 into the car. theres some good suggestions here by way of, 4"crank, better heads, etc, etc, in the end, yer lookin at a 500hp small block.
spend the same amount on yer 440 and tell me what kind of power/driveability you will have!


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Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: thedriver] #741671
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also, it depends on what you mean by gutless....

heck, the 318 I have in my 5th ave pushes it around quite good, my guess is mid 14's--it keeps up with a stock AWD 300C from a roll. not bad considering it was 3950 lbs when I had it on a scale.

it's a stock short block, magnum heads, RPM air gap, 600 eddie carb, 1 5/8" headers, and a reground roller cam that is 259/259 adv, 208/208@.050, 127/127@.2", .316" lobe lift. it's in front of an A500 and 3.55's with 27" tall tires.

there's a number of dakota guys running stock long block 5.2's well into the 13's with cams under 220@.050....and daks usually run in the 3200-3800lb range...


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Re: Any hope for good power 73 340 - [Re: patrick] #741672
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It's not gutless by todays standards (with a few exceptions). I would be tempted to go the 440 route since I have it lying around and have never owned a big block car. Just hate to break up a complete, original car, probably just pump up the 340. I have a buddy with another 73 - 400 4-speed car w/3:23's, bone stock. Would like to make him a little nervous with the small block.

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It is pretty easy to go 440 in these cars, but if you're concerned about #'s, once you have that big block in there the 340 will never see the insides of those fenders again. I do understand how you feel about not wanting to break apart a #'s matching car. It would not take terribly much of a 340 build to get your car to whip your buddy's bone stock 73 400 car.

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With that heavy of a car i'd go the 440 route.

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With that heavy of a car i'd go the 440 route.




Surprised no one has mentioned a stock 360 magnum motor or a 408 stroker kit.

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How fast do you want to go? A 340 built mild will be in the low 14s and high 13s with a little work. Here is a 14 second car with no internal work other then standard valve job. Comp 268 single pattern cam cheap standard 340 valve springs LD 340 or mopar m1 dual plane Holley 650dp with 68frt 74 rear jets. Toatl timing no vac 44 degree's all in by 2K set of cheap headers or early 340 manifolds good exhaust system 2.5 or 2.25with limited bends set of3.91s or 3.55s the car is too heavy for less gear a good shift kit in TF a 904 will be faster by .2 then a 727. I use 727 for the shear reliability. A good sure grip in rear or drag radials and go have fun. Car should et in mid 14s no problem and go deep into 14s and high 13s with open pipes

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How hard are you going to push it? I would rebuild the 340 with more compression and more cam. it will get decent mileage, have good power, and wont cost alot.
I've been a 340 fan since the 70's.

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With that heavy of a car i'd go the 440 route.




Surprised no one has mentioned a stock 360 magnum motor or a 408 stroker kit.




I was gonna say stroke the 340, i'm doing a 408 for my 68 Dart but thats a light car. The low end torque of the 440 would shine in that heavy car and i'm betting the parts would be cheaper than the 340.

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my 72 challenger was an original 340 "numbers" car when i got it in 1990. in 93 i wanted to have some fun with it. i pulled the 340 a tucked it away in the back of the garage. did up a 440, found a big block bellhousing, and had a blast with it. at the track and on the street. got the car to do 11.93 @ 115 at it's best. when the time came, i restored the car and put the 340 back in.

do what you'd like. it's your car.


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i stroked my 340. i actually jus did the start up a week ago! i havent dyno-ed it yet (gonna drop the break-in oil tommorrow) but it seems to have LOTS of guts in my a-body car. im running a 727 with a 3500 stall and 391 gear in the back. i will say however that altho i am very satisfied with the result so far, it was kinda pricey. i would say if u wanna keep it numbers match and dont mind spending a little go for the 340 stroker with a decent cam and intake. if ur on a bit of a tighter budget i think it would be a lot cheaper to find a 360 and stroke it. like the dude before me said, it ur car man do whatever the heck u wanna do with it. have fun and GOOD LUCK!


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Its all about BUDGET - which you never mentioned whether you have any constraints ? All else is TMI if you have a constipated wallet.







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