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440 pistons 120 in the hole #722285
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Was given a fresh 72 440 short block .60 over with cast piston sitting .120 in the hole. Also came with 906 heads. I want to use as is. Is there a good cam out there to help the low compression out? Want a nice idle and vaccum. Plan is putting it in my 70 Charger RT/SE auto with a 3.54 Dana. Would comp cams XE268H, XE274H, or the Summit 488 cam work well? Thanks Terry


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Dodge] #722286
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Something with very low overlap is the best you can hop for. Also with a high LSA and low duration. These three things all come in combination any ways, and this will give you high vacuum and great idle. Don't go with anything bigger than a "6 pack" cam. 120 in the hole is terrible. If you ever rebuild don't be afraid of compression and quench it makes the motor more efficient at any performance level!


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Dodge] #722287
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I would TRY and find a set of closed chambered heads and cut-them a-tad.

COMPRESSION is everything. This combo with 906 heads will be slow.

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: dOc …] #722288
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Slap that 465 488 Summit cam in at about 105-106 and let her roll! You will love it! It is one of the best grinds around for a streeter I think Erson does them---just a great sounding tire melting set up and don't worry about the CR unless you want to dig on down into your wallet--use what you have and HAVE FUN vs. spending $$ There are lots of lo comp 440's that run great and will melt tires--regular pump gas sounds like a BIG plus to me!

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: ] #722289
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I agree the Summit cam is a good performer.Ive run it and it has good street manners and a nice lope.It almost sounds like a lot bigger cam.Crane used to make them.One I had is still in a 383 that we installed 25 years ago.Rocky


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Dodge] #722290
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How's the budget?
Any $ for decking the block .060?

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: B5 Bee] #722291
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Best bang for the buck is some domed pisons.

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: B5 Bee] #722292
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Divorced with child support. Dont get me wrong. I will be 44 this year and its a good thing the boy came along. Hes now 3 and I love him to death. I'm really not looking for a huge lopey sounding cam. I had a 509 in my Cuda and didn't have enough compression. The cam was in the new engine when I bought the car. What a dog. Before I sold it, I put a Comp cam XE274H in. Boy, what a wake up. It had a hemi 4 speed and 355 gears. I could have the clutch all the way out and a slow roll, step on the gas and it would start going side ways and do the same thing in second. I was very happy with that cam. Like I said, I was just given this engine and went to measure how far down they were today. After that, I new it was in trouble. Just sold my 70 Challenger RT 440 car. It had a Comp Cam 280/480 in it when I bought it 9 years ago from a buddy. It was ok. I would like to try the XE268H in an engine some day. Thanks for all the help, Terry

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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Dodge] #722293
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my 440s got the basic rebuild 8.66:1 pistons in it - heads shaved a little bit. i used the XE268H cam in it and i like it...not a race car, but that's not what it's supposed to be. it will still move pretty good even with highway gears, though and sounds pretty good.


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: ] #722294
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There are lots of lo comp 440's that run great and will melt tires--








I would - and I am sure that OP would prefer too - ... to HOOK and BOOK !

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: dOc …] #722295
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These pistons are flat tops, no dish.


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Dodge] #722296
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I'd put different pistons in it, .120" down is gonna make for dog of a motor IMO.

I did the same thing, bought a fresh 440 short block with the piston down like that. I bought a set of TRW 2355 pistons and sold the flat tops on E bay. Got good money for the flat tops, so the new pistons didn't cost much. Glad I did because my motor runs great and make big power.

BTW the short block was included in a package deal with a car and a whole 49' trailer filled with parts. The seller had it listed as a 360 because there was a 360 air cleaner in the parts.

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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Challenger 1] #722297
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There are alot of good running dogs out there.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post4656289


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: ZIPPY] #722298
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There are alot of good running dogs out there.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post4656289





Sorry maybe "dog" was the wrong word.
I guess, I'd like to drive em once to see for myself.

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Challenger 1] #722299
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I'm not so familiar with smog 440s do they have a taller deck or something to cause the piston to be so far down the hole?


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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shorter pistons...the kit the machine shop got me came with 1.99 CH pistons, which puts them .120 below deck. it's a pretty popular rebuild kit - wish he could've got me a deal on a little bit taller pistons, but jumping up to those pistons was a HUGE improvement over the stock ones, and it's supposed to be a 78 440 police motor


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Chrysler made the '72-up 440 pistons with a shorter compression height. Ballpark 1.900 instead of 2".


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Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: landon1] #722302
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shorter pistons...the kit the machine shop got me came with 1.99 CH pistons, which puts them .120 below deck. it's a pretty popular rebuild kit - wish he could've got me a deal on a little bit taller pistons, but jumping up to those pistons was a HUGE improvement over the stock ones, and it's supposed to be a 78 440 police motor




1.99 ch pistons won't be .120 in the hole

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: landon1] #722303
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shorter pistons...the kit the machine shop got me came with 1.99 CH pistons, which puts them .120 below deck. it's a pretty popular rebuild kit - wish he could've got me a deal on a little bit taller pistons, but jumping up to those pistons was a HUGE improvement over the stock ones, and it's supposed to be a 78 440 police motor



And a 2.065 CH kit in conjunction with decking the block wouldn't have cost that much more $$ but would have paid dividends in performance. I deal with people trying to step over a dollar to pick up a dime every day and most end up very disappointed. As for the OP, I'd pull it apart and at the very least buy a set of 6.86 rods and rebush the small ends for your pin size. That would leave him .020 in the hole.

Re: 440 pistons 120 in the hole [Re: Challenger 1] #722304
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I'd put different pistons in it, .120" down is gonna make for dog of a motor IMO.






I agree. No cam, shaving or headgaskets will get you near the potential of the engine. Get the proper pistons.


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