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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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isn't there some Keith Black motors with Predators that are around there? I know i have seen at least two that were 645ci and made around 1200-1300 on the motor.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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isn't there some Keith Black motors with Predators that are around there? I know i have seen at least two that were 645ci and made around 1200-1300 on the motor.
With a maximum effort deal, I have no doubt a Predator, PSO, or Millenium Hemi could get in the 1300 range at that cubic inch size, but thats a long way from 1500.
2hp per cube is not easy to turn into 2.3hp per cube and as the cubes go up, it becomes even more difficult.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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What can we mopar guys do to get up in the range.
spend money, at that point you're a long way from anything that is mopar, chevy or anything else that resembles a production engine. imho calling it a brand name is about as pointless as you can get
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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Ntpa truck pulling puts a cube limit at 650ci. The top ten trucks either run Schmit or Sonny engines. This year i heard they are in the 1600hp range! I watched a pulling video and these engines are screaming too!!! (8500+rpm) I agree that a good built Predator, b1-TS, Hemi will make 1300hp with not a lot of problems with up to date technology but like someones said its trying to get a 650 past the 2hp per cubic inch that can get hard. These guys are in a whole different league! Makes my 636 TS engine look pretty darn weak at 1200hp 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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What can we mopar guys do to get up in the range.
spend money, at that point you're a long way from anything that is mopar, chevy or anything else that resembles a production engine. imho calling it a brand name is about as pointless as you can get
I agree. Buy a Sonny Leonard HEMI and call it good.
I dont like it. Sonnys is a tradionally CHEVY builder there for its a Chevy HEMI. At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars! Lets(please) not start this whole polemic debate again on how no actual brands exist in racing anymore. As moeflo stated, Ford has been perefcting their hemi for years now and its a great motor..always beat Rick jones in IHRA pro stock. So, now, you can get a Chevy(sonny), Ford, or Mopar hemi. If i had the money its a no brainer which one i would run. 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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If I was looking to do a "money is no object" all motor build and still wanted it to look like a MOPAR engine, I would build an iron block, 4.600 x 4.800, with the latest set of Millenium Stage Vs and a billet ram. Look to get the best guys involved....like Bret Conway for complete cam/valvetrain mapping, CFE, Wilson, etc....Maybe even try some things like piston guided rods and some out of the ordinary ring gaps. It takes alot of development and parts cycling to really maximize a combination. Just trying 4 different pairs of carbs from say, Book, Cubic, Pro Systems SV-1s, Dam Best, etc. would set you back over 15k. These so-called Fords and Chevys, which are nothing more than aftermarket race engines that share nothing with their production counterparts, are in a constant state of R&D. It is unavoidable. That, along with racer feedback, is only way to maximize these combinations. Do we have any millionares here with a 100g+ in their billfold that would like to donate to a good cause??? Think of it as a worthy experiment... 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars!
please tell me what year and model car has them so can I find one . it's a race specific motor .
your choice of race motor brand leaves you at the rear of the pack.
 
Hey fredie, how many hemi99s do you have in your collection?
you dont know waht your talking about.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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I already know what you and DTHemi have done. 2 outstanding engines for sure.
My point is, without cycling parts and getting track feedback, there is no way a combination could be maximized.
I find it to be impossible that a one time shot on any engine will find its limit. As much power as DTs engine makes, I'll bet with unlimited money and development time, the levels would unquestionably rise. This is how the so-called Fords and Chevys pick up every year.
Look at the R&D a SS/AH builder like Ray Barton has done over the decades...1000+ at 430ci with IRON heads. THAT is development.
From what I hear, there is a newer Millenium head available since DT did his. Whether it has more potential or not.....that is an unknown. It can only be answered with time and money.
One thing is certain though....a HEMI in the 650" range, is as powerful as you're going to get with a stock looking and stock style (4.800BS, factory appearing block and in. and ex. port layout, etc.), MOPAR.
Even with the potential of the Predator and the B1-TS, unlike a conventional HEMI, they deviate from the factory look. As does the top of the line HEMI 99'.
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