Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
[Re: sturmenater]
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05/18/10 06:53 AM
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Well if you car and driver are 1850 lb and you step up to a 5800 stall I would say leave it?? or if it is 605 cubes it may be a good spot for it. What cubes, rear gear, car and weight do you have and what heads and intake???
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Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
[Re: sturmenater]
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05/18/10 08:32 AM
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Myself I think the the 590 would be a much better choice! Steet car, mostly strip 50/50. What size carb with a 3800 stall I would say 108 no farther back than 110. probably best at 110 with that combo. You realize a 590 installed at 102 would make 40 to 50 more hp ???
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Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
[Re: sturmenater]
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05/18/10 10:17 AM
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I don't now any N/A Mopar V8 that ran better with the cam retarded past straight up, that is in 40+ yrs of racing and using them I have had them in like that and they didn't run worth a hoot, they wouldn't pull a sick goat out of a cow stall
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Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
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05/18/10 02:04 PM
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I don't now any N/A Mopar V8 that ran better with the cam retarded pst straight up, that is in 40+ yrs of racing and using them I have had them in like that and they didn't run worth a hoot, they wouldn't pull a sick goat out of a stall
I totally agree. First, with those rear gears, and minimum 3800 stall, the bigger the cam the faster it will be. My choice would be the 590 put in at 102 or 100. Then after dialing in the carb etc try tightening the exhaust lash first, then intake to see if it wants even more cam. I have run the 590 as tight as .018 intake/ .014 exhaust, but that was on a stroker. If you don't have enough clearance to run the 590 there, fix it now. You will give up way too much performance if you don't.
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Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
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05/18/10 04:31 PM
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I get what you guys are saying. 3200lbs car 4.56 gears 448ci or .40 over im using a M-1 single plane intake and hooker supercomp a-body fenderwell header 2 primary 3.5 collector. Oh also using ported iron heads with open chamber those ross domes should net 11:1
With your set up you will be looking for all the torque you can find... I would be putting that cam in at about 104 or maybe 102... if you run it at 116 it WILL be gutless
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Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
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05/18/10 04:58 PM
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Those ross pistons are +14 cc depending on the head iron head could be 12 to 1 to 13 to 1 real easy with a .039 fel pro gasket 76 cc head is 13.7 to 1 80 cc head is 12.66 to 1 84 cc head is 12.45 to 1 86 cc head is 12.15 to 1 that's my figues/guesses anyways You might want to do some edge breaking on those domes and reliefs also.
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Re: 440 race engine build cam timming
[Re: sturmenater]
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05/18/10 05:09 PM
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well im glad i asked advanced it will be
Also since your converter should be 3800, thats based on X torque to it... with the cam being retarted it wont make the torque and would decrease the stall on the conv... would most likely be in the 3000 to 3200 stall point... just something else you have to consider where you put cams in at
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