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Finally Made First B1 Passes #693885
05/10/10 11:43 AM
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We finally got the car to the track Sunday and ran the Test lane at Woodburn Dragstrip.

After all the glitches getting this thing back together it was nice to actually get it down the track.

First, for everybody that was trying to help with advice, thanks.

The starter issue is still there. I did get the motor to crank once I got my new Ultra Torque Powermaster starter to fit the motor. That took two days of cutting and grinding on the block and starter.

The bad news is that it will still try to kick back once in a while. I set the timing at 30 (locked, no mechanical advance or retard) and spin the starter before turning on the ignition. Guess I'll just need to practice to get the correct technique.

The good news is that the solenoid and all the wires are nowhere near the motor now, so the battery wire stud to block clearance issue is completely eliminated.

Now we're fighting a bad "miss" going down the track. All my ignition components are the same parts we had on it at the end of last season when it was running perfect. Well, two exceptions. I welded the advance mechanism in the dizzy to lock it out. The only other difference is the MSD timing computer I added to try to get a start retard, which didn't work. Some time this week I'm gonna un hook the timing computer and go back to just the 7AL ignition box.

Funny thing is, when I put the car on stands and did a "stall check" at the end of the day it came right up on the converter, crisp and clean, no miss.

The "miss" is actually more like a lean missfire. The old "shooting ducks" situation. I had my 1050 Dominator reworked by Gary Stinnett over the winter and I'm wondering if he could have missed the tune up?

Speaking of coming up on the converter, that's another hurdle. With my Indy heads last year it stalled at 5700. Well, I knew that the B1s would make some more power and increase the stall a little. Now it's stalling at 6400.

Not wanting to hurt the "new motor" I had the shift point set at 6400 so both my passes for the day ended up being in high gear as soon as I let go of the button. Didn't really notice that on the first pass cause of everything else I was watching but by the second pass I'd had enough time to collect my wits and realized my bonehead mistake when the nose dropped, not 20 feet out.

Because of the "miss" and running both passes at part throttle and in high gear I didn't get any good ETs. First was a 9.3 something and second was a 9.2 something.

The first pass MPH was respectable, 155.73 but that's about all the good news, except it was still running at the end of the day so I got to drive it in the trailer.

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: sg66mopar] #693886
05/10/10 12:02 PM
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Sounds like a decent day... get the stall corrected
to the torque and see if you can string out that 1st
gear a bit more.... good day indeed

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: MR_P_BODY] #693887
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With that MPH one would expect 8.50's are in it when you get the converter straight

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: wheelsup68dart] #693888
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Congrats. I bet the old girl loved streatching her legs.. Congrats.. What a great feeling that must have been for you..


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Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: sg66mopar] #693889
05/10/10 03:53 PM
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Sounds like a potent combo once sorted out.


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Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: Thumperdart] #693890
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Glad you got it going. My guess is the msd box. Our 7al3 worked one week started missing the next. Had a spare we stuck on and solved the miss. If your confident in the ignition setup I'd bet on the box. That retard box is the biggest piece of junk msd ever made IMO.

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: supercomp] #693891
05/10/10 09:23 PM
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Glad you had a better first outing than I did.

Hope you have the time of your life with all the new power

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: supercomp] #693892
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Quote:

Glad you got it going. My guess is the msd box. Our 7al3 worked one week started missing the next. Had a spare we stuck on and solved the miss. If your confident in the ignition setup I'd bet on the box. That retard box is the biggest piece of junk msd ever made IMO.



Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: cbarracuda] #693893
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Nice MPH for the first couple hits, look forward to hearing about even more progress with the new combination, you have a good look at the valve train yet to be sure everything is in order


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Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: Edge] #693894
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One of my Super Gas buddies called me today and said he has a spare 7AL3 I can borrow to eliminate that piece from the equation.

Same guy I got the MSD Timing computer from

Maybe he's lookin' for me first round at the next division race.

Might need to talk to somebody here about some new plug wires.

Next couple days I'm gonna check the intake, spacer plates, carb base plate etc for vacuum leaks.

Then I'll warm it up good and run the valves. Hope I don't find anything funky there.

Mr P, by stretchin' out 1st a little would that mean past the 2 foot mark? Might actually get me back in the 8s.

Bill, don't know any diplomatic way to say this but I sure hope mine lives a little longer. Hope yours get up and runnin' soon too.

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: sg66mopar] #693895
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Nice...thanks for the update. Looking forward to more.

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: sg66mopar] #693896
05/11/10 08:29 AM
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Quote:



Speaking of coming up on the converter, that's another hurdle. With my Indy heads last year it stalled at 5700. Well, I knew that the B1s would make some more power and increase the stall a little. Now it's stalling at 6400.






Some may think B1s sacrifice TQ because of the ginormous ports...but that is just not the case, as your finding out. B1s make huge TQ and big HP. Congrats, i always liked your car and now its super cool and B1 fast!

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: B1Fish540] #693897
05/11/10 10:08 AM
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Congrats on making it out and starting the testing process. i am sure you will get it sorted out in short order, I would remove the timing computer for sure. Then maybe try a new box. As for the B1 torque comment, mine only makes 775ft/lbs


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Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: Al_Alguire] #693898
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Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: RemCharger] #693899
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Congrats on the first outing!! I can't wait to hit the track!!


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Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: tboomer] #693900
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Put a 16 volt battery in it and all the starter kick back problems will disappear. Also if you use a start retard do not retard anymore than 10 degs.

Re: Finally Made First B1 Passes [Re: sg66mopar] #693901
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Bill, don't know any diplomatic way to say this but I sure hope mine lives a little longer. Hope yours get up and runnin' soon too.






So do I


I wouldn't wish ANY of the things I've ever gone through on anyone.

Good luck sorting it and getting rid of the miss







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