How much HP? (440)
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I'm almost finished building a 440. This is my first 440 build, so I'm looking for a second opinion on my numbers. I'm thinking about 430 horse, 475 torque? std bore, flat tops, 0.080 in the hole. steel crank, LY rods 906 heads, resurfaced, moderate port/polish, 2.14 & 1.81 stainless valves, hardened exhaust seats, new Lunati springs. Double roller chain. Lunati voodoo #60302 cam (advanced 2 degrees) .475"@262 int, .494"@268 exh. Holley street dominator intake c/w 750 holley VC (with a kit to adjust secondaries)& 1" 4-hole plastic spacer plate. stock distributor, msd ignition, headers.
How does that sound?
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Re: How much HP? (440)
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04/25/10 01:17 AM
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What is your actual CR now? EDIT have you dissassembled/cleaned the dist & what springs/slot length
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Re: How much HP? (440)
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Well with all accesories and open exhaust perfect day at sea level 440 hp and 510 torque!! But depending on the mufflers you can knock as low as 10 hp and as much as 75 hp off. look at 395 and 470 tq through a standard high flow 2.5" full exhaust at seal level perfect day. Run of the mill 77 deg nice day 375 and 440 tq through all the exhaust torque will peak about 4000 and HP at 5000 I would put a good all out shift point at 5600 for best results ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif)
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Re: How much HP? (440)
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04/25/10 11:23 AM
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Calculator shows you will have about 9:1 compression. The 60302 is a small cam, you will be holding yourself back with that. HP will not be far over 400, but torq should be a little over 500 and all at a very low rpm.
9:1? you think? what head gasket did you use in your calculation? I came up w/ 8.8 if he uses a steel shim head gasket and 84cc heads.
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Re: How much HP? (440)
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Calculator shows you will have about 9:1 compression. The 60302 is a small cam, you will be holding yourself back with that. HP will not be far over 400, but torq should be a little over 500 and all at a very low rpm.
9:1? you think? what head gasket did you use in your calculation? I came up w/ 8.8 if he uses a steel shim head gasket and 84cc heads.
I got 9:1 assuming .020 head gasket, .080 in hole pistons(with no valve reliefs) and 90cc heads.
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Re: How much HP? (440)
[Re: Dakota542]
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04/25/10 11:01 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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Thanks for the replies. Moparmuscle says the heads are 79cc stock, and I took a bit off. The CR calulator I was using puts it about 9.25-9.4. I don't need more than that, because I want to run pump gas. Rule of thumb with cast iron heads- 10 points of octane per compression point. Sound reasonable?
As for the distributor comments - ?? Not up on my ignition mods, so is there any cheap tricks?
A couple more build points, if it makes a difference. I put in a windage tray, and file-fit moly rings gapped to .018 on the top. The second ring end gap seams to be a debated issue, but I went with .021; which is still within stock limits, but just.
A pic of the intake port
looks good but my cut closed chamber heads are 74cc. Most 906's are 84-88cc. I'll stick w/ original 8.5 - 8.8:1 quote.
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Re: How much HP? (440)
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04/27/10 08:07 AM
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So with a composition gasket that is 9.15 to 1 and all you want with that mild cam and iron heads on 93 octane. it will have good power don't worry
with a steel shim gasket you can get to 9.5 to one but I would stay with a fel pro style compostion gasket. only a couple hp difference and more likely to ping with that mild cam.
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