Re: How did the pilot bushing seize on the input shaft?
[Re: klc]
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04/20/10 02:23 PM
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Cranks that were intended for manual trans cars had the pilot bushing hole reamed for a proper fit of the bushing. Crankshafts intended for automatics were not always reamed to a fine fit. At one time there were bushings available for both a manual trans crankshaft and a special one with the outside diameter a little smaller for the automatic crank used with a manual trans. I am not sure if the special bushing is still available anywhere. I say your best bet though, is to go to your Dodge dealer and get either the bushing, or roller bearing for a later model smallblock, that is made to install in the large diameter recess on the back of the crank, where the hub of a torque converter normally goes ! Make sure you polish the end of that input shaft first, and check fit of new bushing/ bearing.
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Re: How did the pilot bushing seize on the input shaft?
[Re: klc]
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04/20/10 04:37 PM
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Has the bellhousing been dialed in? Severe misalignment can cause the bushing to seize on the shaft.
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Re: How did the pilot bushing seize on the input shaft?
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Hey, thanks for all the great advice here. You gave me more home work. I found the newer pilot bearing at a dealer on the opposite side of town: Mopar #53009180AB Part #FC69907 {Needle Bearing; Shaft Diameter=0.7518" Housing Diameter=1.8161" Width=0.565"} and an informative write-up over at http://www.bigblockdart.com/techpages/4sptech.shtml. I gather the torque converter register (larger diameter hole in the picture) has been the same for all these years including mine (SB and BB). The bearing will fit in here and fit my input shaft. However; I agree the bronze is the correct way to go. I read about failure of the bearings. I have spent the past few hours trying to find a solution. The Napa Balkamp BK615-1033 is obsolete. Over at https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...t=1#Post3669791is a bushing I should be able to get at Kragen that also fits in the torque converter register. I don't see it online and will make some more calls tomorrow. Do you think I can tap it in? I'm sure I can do this without rebuilding the bottom end of my 383. I got the bad bushing off. I think the builder pressed the correct bushing into the crank that wasn't reamed for the bushing (auto, not manual). The bushing was mushroomed. I think the bushing was disformed and didn't glide on the shaft. It got hot and bit in. The bushing walked up the shaft all the way to the splines and stuck. I'll post what I find.
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Re: How did the pilot bushing seize on the input shaft?
[Re: klc]
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04/21/10 11:52 AM
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Quote:
The Napa Balkamp BK615-1033 is obsolete.
I've got one if you need it.
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Re: How did the pilot bushing seize on the input shaft?
[Re: Stanton]
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04/21/10 02:15 PM
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Brass is for making beds, keys and doorknobs. Bushings are made of bronze. And they've been used in hundreds of thousands of motors for years. Whatever caused it likely would have killed a bearing too. Only being steel, the bearing would have welded itself to the shaft or shattered and spewed its guts into the clutch.
Get the right bushing and get the b/h dialed in and that bushing will outlive you.
So true. As further related info - Bearings have lower friction (generally) than bushings because they have point or line contact (depending on whether they are ball or needle bearings). The drawback is that the load is spread on a tiny area of each roller, so surface condition is very important -- and when it fails it can cause some heavy damage. That's something to keep in mind if you plan on rollerizing your automatic trans to reduce HP loss. If bearing fails and a roller escapes you'll throw most of your trans in the scrap pile. I've seen the aftermath of that. A bushing failure takes a bit longer and gives more time to catch the problem.
A bushing spreads the load over a wider area but at the expense of higher friction.
A bearing is not automatically a better item to use in every application.
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