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I don't think anyone is buying a body shell, cool-whip container of bolts and a broadcast sheet and smiling on their way home that they just scored $$$! lol.

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Don't be so sure! I can tell you that I know for a fact, one of the "big" names in the Hobby had a car(?) that was LITERALLY delivered in the back of a pickup truck, CERTIFIED as a matching numbers vehicle because it had a Build sheet with the PARTS! Now can anyone explain to me how THAT is any less ethical than having a "fake" build sheet made that is technically accurate/correct for the car it was intended to represent?!?!?! Who deemed this form of hypocrisy as an accepted means for documenting cars?

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Your right, an original build sheet does not change the "...reality of what a car is...".

It does, however, establish the reality of its value.

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Well said

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Your right, an original build sheet does not change the "...reality of what a car is...".

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Actually it can.

Case in point.....

Car gets bought with the fender tag missing & no documentation at all. It gets "restored" with a fake tag & optioned up.

An original broadcast sheet is found in another car, thus proving the tag was a fake & liberties were taken.

Which "reality" is real?

It has happened a few times. If the current owner did that tag, no sheet for them.

If they owner got taken & bought it that way, the tag gets destroyed before they get the sheet.

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That's a load of crap....
Those documents metioned won't tell you carb numbers, shock part numbers, colour of the steering column...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...ETC...

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If you knew how to read the items of the documents that I mentioned Alan, you wouldn't embarrass yourself by making such ignorant statements. Where will you find the HB code on a build-sheet? What about the list# of the car? How about the actual production date of the vehicle? Things like the "carb" codes can be found in any assembly manual Alan. Can the assembly manual tell you the correct Zone code for your Barrel Cuda? What about an EP Ignition code or the ES key codes? Where does your build-sheet tell you all of that Alan?. You can think its a load of "crap" but I will blow you in the dirt any day of the week with the literature I have access to for documenting a vehicle WITHOUT A BROADCAST SHEET. Do yourself a favor and "know" the facts before you ignorantly dismiss something and embarrass yourself publicly!

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It does, however, establish the reality of its value.

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Car gets bought with the fender tag missing & no documentation at all. It gets "restored" with a fake tag & optioned up.

Which "reality" is real?

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" I will blow you in the dirt any day" Not sure I understand that, but it sure doesn't sound nice

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Hey!...what happens in the "sandbox", stays in the "sandbox"

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.....how can you prove your car was BUILT with the carb a manual says? Only the BCS can tell you that info and more, a lot more.
I'm not alone in this thread....

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There you go again Alan! Nothing on a Broadcast sheet is a guarantee for what actually came on ANY car. I am sure that I don't have access to the Automobile information that you do but I am fairly confident that original vehicles I have documented had contradictions between their factory parts and the Broadcast Sheet. You make a mistake on the Invoice or the Monroney label and you are facing possible prison time! Make a mistake or substitute a part from the Broadcast sheet and all you get is a car with a variant part. Big Deal!! Would you care to guess which criteria is viewed as "more important" or critical with regards to quality control?

For the record Alan I don't get my information from the masses or from cowering down to peer pressure. I do my research, correctly investigate and collect the facts. I just confidently smile and go about my business when I am told that I am full of "crap." The reality of my work is never hindered by the incorrect assessments of others!

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...Finding the broadcast sheet changed everything......So did getting the broadcast sheet change things. Yes!!!.

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With all due respect, you have confused your sense of awareness with reality. The vehicle did not change! Your AWARENESS of the vehicle changed. You still had to "do" or "undo" whatever stage the vehicle was in at that particular time. Unless you own the real version of the car "CHRISTINE", I doubt that IT did anything to "change" what it was!

As far as the "gum wrapper" scenario, it is quite accurate. Both (broadcast sheets & gum wrappers) were a means to facilitate an end result for the MAIN PRODUCT. The Broadcast Sheets were "trash" once they served their purpose the same as the gum wrapper. Once you removed it...it became trash! Don't get me wrong. Both are important UNTIL they have served their purpose. Once again you have attempted to rationalize your perception of importance to explain the reality of the situation. Broadcast Sheets were NEVER considered an important piece of documentation by the Factory AFTER they served their purpose.

You don't like the gum wrapper analogy...how about this one? How many of us have ever assembled a Bar-B-Que Pit? Those instructions are VERY important during the build process are they not? What happens to them after the assembly is complete? Do you guys frame and laminate the Bar-B-Que Pit "build instructions" and keep them as a sacred piece of documentation? I doubt that anybody does. The Build Sheets were the same thing for the assembly line workers. Nothing more than a list of instructions on how to assemble the vehicle! After that.....throw them away!!! It is the Hobby that has made Build Sheets the sacred icons that they have become today.

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I do not agree AT ALL that the Broadcast Sheet was intended to be trashed after the car was built. If it was, then why were they placed in the seat springs and taped to the back of the glove box and elsewhere? They were placed there by the line workers on purpose, not "accidentily" thrown into the seat springs. Have you ever talked with a line worker from back in the day about this, I have and they do not share your view at all!

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I do not agree AT ALL that the Broadcast Sheet was intended to be trashed after the car was built. If it was, then why were they placed in the seat springs and taped to the back of the glove box and elsewhere? They were placed there by the line workers on purpose, not "accidentily" thrown into the seat springs. Have you ever talked with a line worker from back in the day about this, I have and they do not share your view at all!

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Rather than be me bore everyone else with redundancy Jim, you might go back and see the explanations given for employees discarding the Broadcast Sheets in the manner that they did. Does anyone have any idea how many Broadcast Sheets came with a particular vehicle? There were as many as 60 of these instruction sheets that were manufactured with a car. EVERY item and assembly station had a Build Sheet that specified the part that was suppose to be installed on a vehicle. Using your rationale Jim, if they were meant to be kept, where did the other 55 (give or take a few) end up? Were some line workers under a different set of rules and told that they could discard them while others were told that they were "important documents" NOT to be discarded? (And yes Jim I have bi-yearly meetings with some of the top brass at Chrysler in Auburn Hills and make it a point to ask about the old days at Chrysler. I am sure you don't consider that as reliable as your information sources but at least it keeps me humored and occupied while I am there.)

Lets do something a little different and use some common sense as it pertains to the subject matter. If you look at ALL the places that are continuously referenced for finding Broadcast Sheets, what is the one thing that they all have in common? Thats right! They are areas that made it easy for the employees to hide them with minimal effort. Where is just ONE original photo showing cars that were plastered with Broadcast Sheets all over the assembled parts? Why don't people find them taped to the steering wheel? Why not taped to the wheel covers? Why didn't they get taped on the rear package tray or rear window defroster units? Why weren't they found on the radio or dome light or air conditioner controls or seat belts or electric window controls, or the visible side of the headliner, etc....! The reason why? They were meant to be discarded after the employees followed their "call out" instructions for the parts that were used during assembly. It was easy for certain workers to "hide" them with minimal effort. If you installed the carpet....throw it under the padding and move to the next car! Do you think that the workers thought the inspectors would rip it up during inspection to see what might be under there? If you believe THAT, then you would have to assume that the final inspection consisted of tearing the entire car apart! The workers didn't have to walk to their trash containers or worry about their work stations over flowing with hundreds of these instruction sheets. Bill Embree said that some guys teased each other about having to "properly" throw them away while others got off easy by being able to "hide" them!

And what about the LA plant? Were those workers completely insubordinate and decided to just about throw everyone away? When I asked the reason you didn't find them in LA vehicles, I was told they operated under a very strict assembly line "cleanliness" code. I guess Doug Craig of Chrysler must have just flat out lied to me!

It appears that our sources have completely different views as to how things were done on the assembly line Jim! Just for the record, I can assure you that I do not fabricate fictitious stories and then proceed to substantiate them with imaginary testimonies. You would be surprised how many people will concoct theories in an an attempt to just be "right" while involved in these debates.

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After chewing the gum for about 40 years, a gum collector might find the gum wrapper useful in determining the original size, shape, flavor, and brand of the gum.

Then he could add a little of the correct color, and try to smooth it back out to its original shape.

Food for thought?

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Hey Tav! Your analogy is actual a perfect comparison. Forty years after the fact, the wrappers might be used for your illustrated purpose! I wonder however.....what was the purpose of the wrapper when it was made 40 years ago? A very similar analogy to the Broadcast Sheets indeed.

Come to think of it....do you think that stamps in a Stamp Collection are being used for the purpose in which they were manufactured?

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I think A34HPAxle is correct in saying it adds value

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I believe that EVERYONE who has said that it adds "value" is correct! However, the absence of one does not automatically deem a car worthless or of less "value".