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she will be on the dyno by the end of the week.i would have put on the blower but i dont know if my stand will hold it.she is primed,lashed.the puley is 10% OD again with the bigger carbs from 850's to 2x1250's.probably run C-12 and 30* timing.

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Damn, when?

I'ld love to be there but I have a lot going on this week as you can probably imagine.

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Damn, when?

I'ld love to be there but I have a lot going on this week as you can probably imagine.




as a guess i would say friday.there is someone else on there till then.

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Good luck.... with 10%... that should put out some
real BIG numbers on that dyno.... have fun

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that should put out some
real BIG numbers on that dyno....





whatever it is it is.

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goodluck with the new build, should make some power.

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goodluck with the new build, should make some power.



more than it did last time i am hoping.
Thanks!

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Good luck...........I predict 1000 hp on that dyno.


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goodluck with the new build, should make some power.



more than it did last time i am hoping.
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Looks great!!!
Can't wait to see it in action

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Looks great!!!
Can't wait to see it in action





He'ld have to finish the car and actually take it to the track for that

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she will be on the dyno by the end of the week.i would have put on the blower but i dont know if my stand will hold it.she is primed,lashed.the puley is 10% OD again with the bigger carbs from 850's to 2x1250's.probably run C-12 and 30* timing.


Have you ran this combination, boost, fuel and timing, before? The reason I'm asking is the last blower motor(496 C.I Hemi with aluminum Stage V heads, 10:71 blower with two 1050 Dominator blower carbs) I dyno tested didn't like 25 degrees with 12% overdrive that made 12 lbs at 6500 RPM using Union 118 octane race gas. The same motor liked 33 degrees BTDC with 10% underdriven making 7 lbs boost at 7300 RPM on CA pump gas Don't be afraid to sneeck up on the timing, we went to much to start with with the O.D. set up and tried more, 28 degrees, and ran out of dyno time before we could try 23 or less Please let us know what the motor makes and the details, Good Luck


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1st off Dave you are correct.thay are the same iron 346 heads.it was just not in the cards.
Cab there are a lot of thing effecting what fuel to use.i was running 110 sunoco before without the intercooler at 270* IAT,30* timing.NGK #8 plug,14lbs of boost at 10% OD.

With the intercooler and tap water my IAT was 130* and with the bigger carbs the engine will be happier at that same OD.i went .200 faster with 20% less drive with the bigger carbs so at 10%OD it will make more HP.

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None of the three roots blown motors I dynoed had intercoolers. The last motor liked 130 IAT a lot better with 7 lbs of boost underdriven than it liked 180 to 190 F IAT at 12 lbs of boost with 25 degrees BTDC overdriven with the better gas There was around 100 HP differences, 927 HP at 7300 RPM with 7 lbs boost and 33 BTDC timing and 130 F IAT, twenty minutes later the motor made 1024 HP at 6500 RPM with 25 degrees BTDC with 180 IAT at 12 lbs of boost, it started to go into detonation so we pulled the throttle back


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Thank you for the info to digest.i am thinking about the intake closing and how relative it may be on the pressure relation and fuel used.i have no idea on those points or facts to prove anything.my experiance is all i have to go by on what my engine may do.i appreciate your input.now that i think of it this topic should be in the boosted section so if a mod could do so please do!

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now if Mr.Morris could chime in also on somr tech info we could use some guidance.

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METAL, with those pulleys, how much boost do you think she'll make on the dyno?



on a chart at theblowershop it shows 17lbs.
actualy i stand corrected.
http://www.theblowershop.com/upload/Downloads/BLOWER%20BOOST%20CHART%20FOR%20CATALOG.pdf

just 13.5 lbs at 10%OD

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Do you run a water resevoir with ice when you race the car? Have you logged AIT's under WOT in high gear at the track? Or the delta temp between staged and traps?

Just curious. I have little to no experence with roots blower setups and would love the info just to compare.

Thanks.


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the IAT are 130/140 in the 1/4
i run just tap water 5gal total.

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Interesting. Does the system have a heat exchanger in it as well?

Most of the turbo cars I deal with keep the intake temps from 40* at the line up to about 80* through the traps at anywhere from 145-200 mph, when using ice, of course.

Just curious, thanks!!


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no exchanger on the car.i have a radiator from a motorcycle to use.maybe under the trunk with a fan.i used ice a couple of times and melting 15lbs of ice each pass was interesting.

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Looks really bad ass.

Lookin forward to the results!!!!

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Thanks.i am cleaning the headers getting it ready.i need to learn the LC-1 so i can use it.

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she will run saturday but she is hookedup all but the intercooler lines.

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here is 2 plg,header shots fot sunroofgtx.

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would have it started today but the rear water plugs leaked.[screw in]i will have to take the engins plate off the back to get at them in the morning.scott put a lot of time on the throttle linkage today on my engine to make it right.THANKS SCOTT!

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1 of the leaks.i had to do the waterpump also.

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Wow, Mike. I can't believe the room you have around your plugs. I think our ProMod45 Boots will work great !Once you get it into your car, we'll get you squared away.. Thanks for coming over the other night. Good luck tomorrow. If Bills made a million, you should make 1.5 Million !!


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Thanks Rick!

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results and video to come.things went good once she was running with no leals and good oil psi.

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Wow, sweet.. Been waiting on pins and needles..


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me too.LOL
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Quad numbers are very nice. Is this the first blown Koleno block?...ummm..I mean supercharged..lol


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it very well could be.hay big bear!

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results and video to come.things went good once she was running with no leals and good oil psi.




That looks a bit lean on O2's were you doing plug reads to verify the O2's ?

As far as cam tech goes there is quite a bit to look at on blown gas compared to blown alky and even blow pump verse's a good fuel like C16 in a higher heat app like a roots.

I do have a real good How to Tune Your Boosted Engine Video that I just released. I cover O2's, fuel flow, BSFC, dyno fuel systems, Timing, graph reading and Plug reading

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Steve !! Great to see you chime in. Ready for 2010? Waiting to get some lengths from you on a set of wires for the wagon!! Can I call you Monday?


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results and video to come.things went good once she was running with no leals and good oil psi.




That looks a bit lean on O2's were you doing plug reads to verify the O2's ?

As far as cam tech goes there is quite a bit to look at on blown gas compared to blown alky and even blow pump verse's a good fuel like C16 in a higher heat app like a roots.

I do have a real good How to Tune Your Boosted Engine Video that I just released. I cover O2's, fuel flow, BSFC, dyno fuel systems, Timing, graph reading and Plug reading

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no i did not look at the plugs.i suspect thay read leaner than actual.i will check the plugs tomorrow.

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Good numbers

You should be solidly in the 8's now.
You should go out for the Thompson 8.90 street class they have advertised on the bullet.
Not enough mopars there.
How much psi was it making?

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she was at 15lbs let me go 9.5 before 8.90's!

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Quad numbers are very nice. Is this the first blown Koleno block?...ummm..I mean supercharged..lol






Thanks for the correction Rick

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it very well could be.hay big bear!





looks great Metal Storm!

To the best of my knowledge not only is it the first supercharged running engine using a Koleno block but it's also the first running Koleno block under 4.5 bore(to my knowledge)

Thank You again Metal Storm for choosing one of our blocks for your build, if there is anything we can do for you please let us know!

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it is a lot under 4.50 bore.[4.351]
Thanks BIG BEAR!

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What were the intake temps, how effective is the intercooler? The power numbers seem huge, but I think it's a habit with Koffels dyno.


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What were the intake temps, how effective is the intercooler? The power numbers seem huge, but I think it's a habit with Koffels dyno.



the intake temps were 130 without water and 90 with water.the water flow was very slow from the garden hose so it will be better with my meziere pump[136S].the dyno #'s are happy by about 15% from my experiance on my 1st dyno runs a couple yrs ago.i am in the 950 range actual i think.i got some bugs worked out and the carbs helped so it was worth it.

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