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Re: undercoating [Re: 340SHORTY] #665419
04/11/10 09:05 PM
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Ok guys,, heres a lil insite...

in late 72 and early 73. I worked for a company called Convoy Company in Kent Wa. Convoy was the forwarder of the new AMC, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles when they were sent to the dealers. Forwarders were used everywhere..

The vehicles would come to us on railcars,they wre unloaded and then we processed them.

The first part of the processing was a bath, yes they would come in filthy.
Some would have to be ran through the car wash more than once to get clean..

Next the cars that were coded for undercoating went through the undercoating bay...wheelwel or complete jobs
Sorry guys but those cars came off the factory line and railcars like a babys bottom,,, nothing on them...didnt you ever wonder why there is no undercoating above the gas tank?

The cars were then masked off , undercoated and then sent to the detail bays.

The cars then were vacumed out, windows washed ect. Wanna ask where a lot of build sheets went?

The cars then went to a mechanic who double checked all lighting, heater, radio ext to be working.

The cars were then parked in their respective order to be transported to the dealers.

We processed thousands of cars for Wa, Id, Mt and the fridged state of Ak...






So, here's a couple pics that point towards undercoating applied at the factory, not a separate facility.
Obviously you were there where it was done off line, but I wonder if it was for certain scenarios or some special circumstances...
or perhaps later years, I don't know, I could speculate & hypothesize for days... lol
So to be clear, I'm not doubting what you're saying, but it seems there's more to it.

Rick

(to the original poster, sorry for steering the topic a bit off course!!)

Survivor 70 GTX. Masking tape undercoated over before seats were installed. Front hole had the tape with undercoating still on it.

Same car, interesting masking areas, as if to keep undercoating off of areas where the body would sit on carriages.

This is a J55 optioned 71 Hemi Cuda, note total lack of undercoating on the exhaust, yet excellent coverage of undercoating directly above it at a straight-on spray angle.

'66 Coronet. Obvious undercoating at the stage before body drop onto drivetrain.

Same as the Coronet with this '68 Charger.

Re: undercoating [Re: 340SHORTY] #665420
04/11/10 09:17 PM
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There's dozens of reasons that could explain this...
Maybe Chrysler didn't start the outsourcing until 1972?
or
Maybe certain assembly plants weren't equipped to undercoat so they out sourced?

In my 26+ years of restoring Mopars this is the First time of heard of such out sourcing and like Rick, I'm not doubting it, just trying to get my head around the idea


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Re: undercoating [Re: Alaskan_TA] #665421
04/12/10 02:32 PM
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....it was also factory applied option.





Hey Barry! What better than an assembly line photo that shows the process being performed?


Re: undercoating [Re: Bob's71R/T] #665422
04/12/10 02:37 PM
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my 71 R/T challenger still has its factory undercoating, does this make the value of the car go down when i go to sell it? Thank You Moparts..




Regarding the original question - Bob mentions nothing about replacing or restoring factory undercoating. Unless Bob is leaving something out, the question is what does the presence of factory undercoating have on the R/T's value.

My answer is - "None". Anyone else?


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Re: undercoating [Re: 67SATisfaction] #665423
04/12/10 03:25 PM
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My answer is - "None". Anyone else?




If you are buying his car then that would be one of the correct answers. If not, the answer could be different for the person who actually purchases his car. Things like "value", "worth", "condition", etc.... are all relative terms and can only be answered by an individual's personal perspective. There is no definitive answer! In the end it doesn't matter what "anyone else" thinks or feels about an aspect of his car! Beauty (and value) is in the eye of the beholder.

Re: undercoating #665424
04/12/10 04:59 PM
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well ive owned the car now for 6 years and my buddy bought it in 95 so ive known the car for 15 years its an original Hemi orange car with one repaint ( med blue) now mint shape.fender tag one n41 n42 n85 r11 v6x ctd m21 m28 m31 m42 m44 g36 h51 j25 j45 j46 j54 v1x u a46 c16 c55 g15 ev2 h5x9 000 924 017667 e65 d32 js23 nib------ tag two 26 en2 js23 nib------ if anyone knows these codes i would really appreciate any input Thanks Moparts and everyone with information Hot Rod Bob

Re: undercoating [Re: Bob's71R/T] #665425
04/13/10 09:59 AM
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Great info again from guys "been there, done that"
Thanks, i have J55 car too
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if anyone knows these codes i would really appreciate



Code Description
E65 383-4 Barrel
D32 H-D A-727 TorqueFlite Trans
JS23 J = Dodge Challenger
S = Special Price Class ( = R/T )
23 = 2 Door Hardtop
N1B N = 383 300HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
B = Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA
------ Sequence Number '------'
EV2 Paint Code: Hemi Orange / Tor-Red Irid
H5X9 Trim Grade/Style/Color
H = High
5 = Cloth and Vinyl Bucket Seats
X9 = Black
000 Upper Door Frame: Full Door Panel
924 Scheduled Built Date: 9 / 24 / 1970
017667 Order Number: 017667
V1X Roof Type OR Color: Full Vinyl Top - Black
U Built to Specifications for USA Order
A46 Exterior Trim / Mold Group
C16 Console w/ Buckets
C55 Bucket Seats
G15 Tinted Windshield Only
G36 Left Hand Remote, Right Hand Manual Outside Racing Mirrors
H51 Single Air /w Heater
J25 3 Speed Variable Wipers
J45 Hood Tie Down Pins
J46 Locking Gas Cap
J54 Sport Hood 70-1
M21 Roof Drip Rail Moldings
M28 Front Bumper Periphery
M31 Belt & Hood Molding
M42 Front End Molding
M44 Hood & Fender Molding
N41 Duel Exhaust w/o Tips
N42 Chrome Duel Exhaust Tips
N85 Tachometer
R11 Music Master Radio AM
V6X Black Longitude Sports Stripe
CTD Continued on 2nd Tag

26 26 in. Radiator
EN2 End of Codes Assembly Line 2

Last edited by CarelianCuda; 04/13/10 10:04 AM.

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