Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: Exit1965]
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05/30/08 07:22 PM
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Every bigblock mopar i,ve ever owned always ran a little hot in traffic no matter what i tried with the cooling system ,timing , jetting etc. They would never overheat or boil over but would start to run not as well as they did at cooler temps . But once i switched over to an electric fuel pump with a return line they actually ran better on the hot side . Nowadays i rarely even look at the temp gauge .
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
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I've ran into the same exact problem a few different times and has always been cured the same way. A 160 degree thermostat, and the installation of an aluminum radiator!! Nothing else has ever worked for me. When an engine builds a bunch of power, the cooling system is the first to show it.
Exactly but there will be posts contradicting this. On my 500 HP Challenger I have a 26" Griffin aluminum radiator, a 160 degree high flow t/stat, a high flow water pump, a 7 blade aluminum fan, a h/d fan clutch and a stock shroud. I also use Evans NPG+ coolant. I can drive this car through death valley and it won't see 200 degrees on the gauge. -Bob
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
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05/30/08 11:07 PM
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What brand of hi flow tstat are you using? FWIW I found an interesting experiment about fan blade / shroud placement. This guy found the lowest temp, in his cars case, was with the fan fully inside the shroud compared to partially or wholly out. http://forums.performanceyears.com/forum...roud+experimentI'm having a cooling issue too (~215 at idle), I am going to start with the easy stuff (timing, possibly tstat If I can get a hi flow one), water wetter, then maybe go to a more agressive fan.
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: Exit1965]
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What brand of hi flow tstat are you using?
FWIW I found an interesting experiment about fan blade / shroud placement. This guy found the lowest temp, in his cars case, was with the fan fully inside the shroud compared to partially or wholly out.
http://forums.performanceyears.com/forum...roud+experiment
I'm having a cooling issue too (~215 at idle), I am going to start with the easy stuff (timing, possibly tstat If I can get a hi flow one), water wetter, then maybe go to a more agressive fan.
Milodon part number 16405 available at Summit racing. -Bob
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
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Getting the cooling system to work rite is not rocket science.. An there are no qwikee short cuts.. The original OE Mopar systems were pretty good so thats where you start.. 1. Chuck the electric fans 2. Pull the factory radiator, flush it kleen and here increasing the core in size can do wonders go to a 3 or 4 core 3. Flush the block/heads 4. Use the factory shroud but make sure the fan is about 1" back from the radiator, we like to use a clutch fan 5. Refill the system with 50/50 mix 6. Make sure to use a quality thermostadt, 180 degrees is fine We have been building/racing big block Mopars for almost 40 years and the majority of cooling problems are created by parts mismatch and/or faulty installs. Take it step-by-step and you will be surprised on how well the OE cooling system can work.. Here in So Cal it can easily hit 102-105 degrees and our cars typically run 200-205 degrees in slow stop/go traffic. If the outside temperature is more normal like 75-85 degrees they typically run 180-190 degrees. We just fixed a friend's 340 Dart GS was running about 210-220 degrees, some wizbang said mount this dual electric fan system.. Current jumped 50 amps on the charging system and no improvement for cooling.. Threw out the dual fans into the dumpster added a shroud and it dropped 15 degrees. Just my ..
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: pro451bee]
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06/02/08 06:04 PM
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well here's an update. I installed the rubber seal between the hood and rad support. I installed a 180* deg Mr Gasket high-flow stat. also removed the pusher electric fan. Now everything is stock except the high flow stat. WHAT A HUGE DIFFERENCE. The car used to drive (correction to my old post now that i payed attention to the gauge) 190 when crusin, and creeped from there at a stop, probably reaching 200 then vapor lock symptoms were setting in. Now it cruises at 175-180; it cycles between there, you can see the stat open and close, when it opens it drops instantly to 175, then slowly goes to 180. Last night i put the parking brake on, left it idling in gear for 15 mins, after a 1hr drive, and it stayed rock solid at 180. Plus i can hardly believe how much less engine compartment heat there is now. Also one thing that i thought was stupid when i was doing, but did anyways was wrap the fuel line in tinfoil. to my total amazement the fuel line is cold now, where before it was almost impossible to touch > that one blew me away. Anyways, i still have the milodon high flow pump on order, i'll put that in as well and i'm positive my running hot issues are solved now. thanks for all the help guys, i was really stumped on this one. i could not believe regular old tin foil was so effective at reflecting heat as it does. The part of the fuel line that i didn't wrap with foil was hot, and the part i did was totally cold!!!! i have a new item to add to my tool box as well as the following "must have items": duct tape, electrical tape, zip ties, JB weld, hammer, automotive GOOP, TIN FOIL!!!! i'm convinced that with these items anything can be fixed!!!
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
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06/02/08 06:06 PM
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
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06/02/08 08:34 PM
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OK GUYS, TOTALLY STRIKE MY PREVIOUS POST. THE DAMM THING STILL RUNS HOT. Who wants to buy a nice charger r/t??? I just don't get it, i went out for a drive, everything was fine, 175-180, then i hit traffic, there she went, 185, 190, 195, 200....then it ran like crap. I'm totally lost for just about the first time, i just can't see what the problem is, as long as i'm moving, everything is perfect. HELP....
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: 340Scamp]
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06/02/08 09:10 PM
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Does it cool down if you put it in neutral and rev the engine to 1000 to 1200 rpm?
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Re: I give up, 440's just run HOT
[Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
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06/02/08 09:19 PM
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what kinda stat are you running? el cheapo wallmart brand or a performance stat? mabey try replacing the stat with a 2" flatwasher with a 1/2" hole in the center (restriction). then see what happens.
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