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70 hemi b body master cylinder #660993
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did all 1970 hemi b bodys with power disc brakes come with the 2225621 master cylinder, or could one have come with the 2229191? the spd on the car is oct 22 69 thanks .

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: badsixpack] #660994
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They "should" have all come with the WIDE E-body style "191" Bendix master.

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: hemi70se] #660995
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Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Mastershake340] #660996
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Interesting...

I could have sworn I saw a few "known correct" cars with the tall style master.

Good news nonetheless!


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Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: HPMike] #660997
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I've seen more than a few "known correct" cars over the years that have aftermarket master cylinders on them.
Master cylinders go bad pretty often in cars that aren't driven much. Back in the day, I wouldn't be surprised if some master cylinders went bad on some new cars sitting out in the lot prior to the car being sold.
Another thing I found, is that Bendix superceeded the 9191 master cylinder with the 5621 number some time in the 70's. I found a couple NOS 5621 master cylinders in Bendix boxes with the Bendix number that was for the 9191. Also, in some old Bendix rebuilt stock I have found both 9191 and 5621 in the same part number boxes.
All disc brake hemi cars built in '70 and '71 should have rolled off the assembly line with 9191's though.

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Mastershake340] #660998
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thanks for all your help

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Mastershake340] #660999
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Quote:

I've seen more than a few "known correct" cars over the years that have aftermarket master cylinders on them.
Master cylinders go bad pretty often in cars that aren't driven much. Back in the day, I wouldn't be surprised if some master cylinders went bad on some new cars sitting out in the lot prior to the car being sold.
Another thing I found, is that Bendix superceeded the 9191 master cylinder with the 5621 number some time in the 70's. I found a couple NOS 5621 master cylinders in Bendix boxes with the Bendix number that was for the 9191. Also, in some old Bendix rebuilt stock I have found both 9191 and 5621 in the same part number boxes.
All disc brake hemi cars built in '70 and '71 should have rolled off the assembly line with 9191's though.




Interesting..

I know you are the MC guru. I thought I remember seeing an original roadtest of a 1970 Charger Hemi with the tall MC. But even there, it could have been a preproduction model and hence would not have had all of the parts that a regular production car would normally have.

MB

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: HPMike] #661000
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I have an old magazine with a road test of a '70 hemi cuda, and from the underhood shots it looks like it had the '67-'69 disc brake C body master cylinder on it! (the one in the picture is too wide and too tall to be a '9191)
Another thing that might have happened with early production cars used in magazine tests, is that the master cylinder might have gone bad, and the dealers didn't have 9191's in yet for replacement parts, so they put a 5621 or other 1-1/8" bore master cylinder on to get the car back on the road quickly.

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Mastershake340] #661001
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Narrow and deep is correct.

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As Mastershake said, the HEMI should have the wide, drivers side outlet, and the non-HEMI should have the narrow, pass side outlet. Were talking B body of course.
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Actually to me the pic of the HEMI cuda looks correct if you zoom in on it.

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Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Paul Jacobs] #661005
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Quote:

Actually to me the pic of the HEMI cuda looks correct if you zoom in on it.



To my eye, it looks too tall.
The '67-'69 disc C body p/n 2881870 with casting number 2226811 looks very much like the '70-'71 hemi only MC, except it is an inch or so taller. It is also a 1-1/8" bore cylinder, and a few have referred to it as the "poor man's" 2229191.
Here is a C body disc (left) next to a '9191.

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Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Mastershake340] #661006
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Another.

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Hmmmm thats why your the man!

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: Paul Jacobs] #661009
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Sorry if I side track this post for a second but Mastershake loves to check out master cylinders and I love to check out wiper motors.
Notice in the picture that the wiper motor has a sticker on it. I have come across several like this in 20 years of doing them.
Master would you be able to email me a larger size copy of that picture please? It is proof that some cars came out with "sticker" motors
when correctly stamped motors were not in stock.
Thanks
Jules
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Quote:

Sorry if I side track this post for a second but Mastershake loves to check out master cylinders and I love to check out wiper motors.
Notice in the picture that the wiper motor has a sticker on it. I have come across several like this in 20 years of doing them.
Master would you be able to email me a larger size copy of that picture please? It is proof that some cars came out with "sticker" motors
when correctly stamped motors were not in stock.
Thanks
Jules
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Cool deal. Jules

Kinda the same deal as the radiators with the "overlay" tag soldered over the original part number. Like they say, the show must go on!

MB

Re: 70 hemi b body master cylinder [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #661011
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Picture sent Jules.
My T/A's wiper motor had the sticker on it when I bought it back in '78. I don't think that motor was on it originally though, the datecode looks too late. I've seen the unrestored T/A 2 VINs after mine, and doesn't have a sticker on its wiper motor.

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Could have also been an over the counter deal.
That picture you sent me is it dated from 1970?
By the way your motor needs some lovin'.
Check this one out. Underneath is a 2983116 part numnber and after I cleaned the sticker
it was also a 2983116 sticker.
Jules

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