Best Choice On A Intake ??
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Helping out a friend with a 440 build. He was looking to pick up a good used intake and asked what I thought he should be looking for. So, I am open to a good selection of intakes that would work good for this combination. 440 .030 over using a KB237 set at 0 deck height. FelPro 8519PT head gaskets and 66 small valve closed chamber heads. Heads have been bowl ported and cleaned up. Compression at 11:1 and is using a 509 Mopar performance cam. He is putting this in a 66 Belvedere that has a 3000 stall converter and 3:91 gears. Thanks Dan. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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Performer RPM or Torker II would be good.The RPM will be about $100 more than the Torker II ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif) He has enough gear and converter to use the single plane ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif) Gus ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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it really isnt going to matter much as to what he gets. he first needs to fix his miss matched componente.
with that 509 cam being a high RPM cam and the small port/valves heads not being high flow heads he has a major problem.
So IMO with a much better cam and set of 906/346/452 heads a Street Dominator or a Performer RPM and he is going to have a killer engine..
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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Quote:
it really isnt going to matter much as to what he gets. he first needs to fix his miss matched componente.
with that 509 cam being a high RPM cam and the small port/valves heads not being high flow heads he has a major problem.
So IMO with a much better cam and set of 906/346/452 heads a Street Dominator or a Performer RPM and he is going to have a killer engine..
340SHORTY, he hasn't bought the cam yet. He does have the rotating assembly ready to go into the block. Since he has the pistons, should he rethink the cam choice, or is there a better head that would still get him the 11:1 compression that he wants. The other option would be to machine his heads for the larger valve ?, since they have had some port work. Or do these heads just not flow like a 906 etc.. What would be his cheapest route using the bottom end he has to maximize the performance of this combo?
Thanks Dan ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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66 heads will be 516's not 915's. 11:1 is a nice match for that cam, and stall speed. I agree that the small valve 516's are less than ideal, but it'll run. I wouldn't be afraid to try it before I poured my money into aluminum heads. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif) It'll be iffy on pump gas for sure but a smaller cam won't help. The compression has to be reduced if that ia a concern. I suppose that would ba a plus to the eddy's too, in that the alum head will work with pump gas at 11:1 and that cam.
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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The car is used for weekend cruising and he is mixing fuels. I didn't want to see more than 10.5 compression, but he seems to think he wants 11. Will he be fighting detonation at 11.1? I have not cut the heads yet, so the compression number can be changed. It's been awhile since I looked at the heads, but I know they are a closed chamber small valve and I thought they were 915's. Did the 67 440 HP engines with the 915's flow better, or was it the same casting/ports with a larger valve only. Would this combo he has work better with,say a 906 and a little less compression and still use the 509 cam? I think he will be happier with a engine that makes a ton of bottom to mid range torque for what he wants to do. Top end is not his thing, smoky burn outs are ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif) Thanks Dan ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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RPM performer hands down (Holley SD good too) 509 cam degree it in to 102 or 103 intake installed centerline (max lift) My big big vote is to bite the bullet and get RPM heads no fuel issues with a 509 cam will be able to run 91 octane. If you must but long before you spent ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif) on a crapy old poor poor flowing heads go with 440 source. I just finished hand porting a set and they "ARE NOT EDELBROCKS" no way they will flow perform or match an eddy!!!!! (maybe close after hand porting) But they will out flow even a hand ported iron heads and still allow 91 octane and I'll bet they will produce 75to 100 more hp than those 66 516 heads Please don't use those 45 year old crack prone million heat cycle iron heads unless they have new valves and guides (you don't want a million heat cycle valve breaking off and hammering the motor apart) new valve springs, retainers and keepers. AND they must be free with all this done or you are throwing the money in the toilet. So if someone gives you a set of done fresh all new 516 use them But if you have to pay anything for them run!!!! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Best Chice On A Intake ??
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Holley Sd is about the best all around intake made.Has the manners of a dual plane runs like a sinlge.Rocky
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Re: Best Choice On A Intake ??
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Thanks guys. My mistake on the head casting numbers, they are the 516's. He had these heads gone through a couple of years ago, and used them on a 383. They don't have a lot of run time. It's his engine and $$, so I can only make suggestions. What can a 452 or 906 casting be milled to as far as CC's and still be safe? Could he get 10:5 compression or more with one of these castings using the pistons he has? Dan ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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