Another 413 question
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Does anybody know how much power to expect out of a 72 413? I was told when I bought it I was told it was a 440, but i discovered it was a 413. It has 31,xxx mi. and came out of a motorhome, and I plan to put it in a 1979 volare. Thank you.
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Re: Another 413 question
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Dont expect much, about the same as a stock 360 4 bl.. The 413 Industrial engine is a top notch engine, with plenty of low end power,and ability to last forever. but it is really heavy, the heads are totally wrong for any car and the waterpump wont work..etc.. Did I mention Volares are pretty heavy already with transverse suspension?
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Re: Another 413 question
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They are rated at something like 220 hp and 400 tq. Likely pretty flat tq. Good car heads, better cam, and headers might get it up to 300 with increased torque.
A set of 383 low compression pistons would up it to 426 ci,and likely raise the compression a fair amount. You might even have to mill the top of the piston some, or use a very thick head gasket/open chamber head. Could be pushing 400 plus hp with ease.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: Another 413 question
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Some 413s from the early 60-63 C-Bodies were rated at 340 horse; weren't they?
A 1972 413 is different than an early sixties car motor. In '72 they were beast of burden motors that weren't talked about as performance motors. They tended to be 7.5 compression and had either car like heads, or the very severe duty heads with the extra water passages/sodium filled valves/rotators/ dual spring on the exhaust, massive waterpump to feed or draw from the heads. Information on these motors is in the truck service manuals. They tend to be a 'Koleno junior' block with lots of weighty, extra thick cast iron in important places, but small bore.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: Another 413 question
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So can I expect any decent performance outta this in stock form? I was hoping for a street car with a small amout off giggle factor. Or are we talkin boat anchor here?
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Re: Another 413 question
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So can I expect any decent performance outta this in stock form? I was hoping for a street car with a small amout off giggle factor. Or are we talkin boat anchor here?
Try to look at it this way: 1) If the 413 in good condition, made 220 hp with 7.5 compression, truck heads/exhaust/waterpump/etc.; and 2) A smogger 440 made 225 hp with 8 compression with it's bolt on limitations.
Make all performance components equal except for bore (or increased bore for the 413), and I doubt you would notice much of a difference between the two choices in a driver application. The 413 should rev better with lighter pistons than a 383 (or increase to a stock 383 bore to achieve 426 ci and higher compression.)
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: Another 413 question
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lol no way you can compare a 318 to a 413 drop it down in the 79 duster drive the crap out of it and when you decide you want some more power and put a 8 3/4 rearend in it we will fig something out and besides your not even sure yet if the motor is a 440 or a 413 lol mine came out of a motor home and is a 440 you just need to bring it home lol
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Re: Another 413 question
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03/03/10 02:34 AM
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So, in stock form, this isn't much better than the orig. 318. Is it?
The question is MUTE ....because I don't think the engine (in stock form) will go in there(because of the exh mans).
Again ...if you change the heads(to the smallest chambers possible) ..and install a HP cam ... it could be made to run nicely.
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Re: Another 413 question
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Thanks for the advice everybody, I guess if i have to change a few things, it will be worth it since i only gave 150 for the car body and 300 for the engine, tranny, radiator and driveshaft. I was lookin to make a fun street car on a budget, and I think I still can with this setup.
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Re: Another 413 question
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the manifolds on it will be changed as i and buddy from work have differnt manifolds for it from what i seen of it so far the water pump dont look any differnt then any other big block water pump/housing the motor came factory with a holley carb (still on it) did 413,s come with a holley or was that a 440 thing? the motor he bought is still in a motor home (100+ miles away) that a guy started gutting for the alum. it dont have the big drum on the back of the tranny he (bryan)was spossed to get it out today and bring it home and as stated before still not 100% sure its a 413 or a 440 (yes its a raised block) he is looking to have some fun on the cheap and he really likes F bodys and so far his investment is $450 with lots of room to grow and plenty of options now go round up all the tools for tomarrow and bring it home lol
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