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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/22/10 08:24 PM
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Why would I if handicapped want to sit at 1100 feet where they are almost full speed and MPH .
In a wheel chair or some other disability .
I believe ORP has the same seating .
Years past they moved the score boards at the finish line 1320 ,to save some racers and the boards .Bet most haven't moved them to 1000 ft.
DR
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/22/10 09:07 PM
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Saw a slick come off of Blane Johnson's rail at the Autolite Nationals in cailf, and flew about 200 feet into the air and ironically hit a sportsman's car. a 70 air grabber GTX right in the center of the hood and crushed it. Same year when Blane died at Indy.  They should announce a HEADS UP When they launch the fuel cars!
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/22/10 09:22 PM
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They could easily design a wheel with larger studs and wider bolt spacings, or better yet (for example) a heavy gauge plate (like a stud girdle) held on with a seperate set of bolts to the wheel that goes over the studs to prevent the nut from backing all the way off. There's no reason what happened yesterday couldn't happen again next sunday....or for that matter DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST SUNDAY does anyone know why Pro stock was postponed to be run Saturday at the Gatornats? If they said why they ran Fuel cars but no P/S I must have missed it 
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
[Re: Streetwize]
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02/22/10 09:29 PM
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does anyone know why Pro stock was postponed to be run Saturday at the Gatornats?
If they said why they ran Fuel cars but no P/S I must have missed it
i think he said it was a mutual agreement by the racers,track.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/22/10 10:01 PM
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They could easily design a wheel with larger studs and wider bolt spacings, or better yet (for example) a heavy gauge plate (like a stud girdle) held on with a seperate set of bolts to the wheel that goes over the studs to prevent the nut from backing all the way off. There's no reason what happened yesterday couldn't happen again next sunday....or for that matter DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST SUNDAY
does anyone know why Pro stock was postponed to be run Saturday at the Gatornats?
If they said why they ran Fuel cars but no P/S I must have missed it
Why not just tighten the wheels correctly, then they wouldnt sheer or pull the studs . 
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/22/10 10:49 PM
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And you slept at a Holiday Inn last night. Right? You need to be there and know first hand before making such an assumption. Please.
I think you should reread the post i was responding to .My point is that a redesign is a bit premature . But since your going there I do belive that nearly all failures in racing is human error . By the way If you need to know I sleep in the front living qtrs of my race trailer when on the road .
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/23/10 02:55 AM
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I was there and saw it, it was just that, a freak accident. I also believe what happens in life is pre-ordained, so believe what you will it was just her time and not Antron's.  I went by the pits and hour later and there was a guy being treated still for a knee injury but didn't hear about the woman until after I got home. A bad day at the track is still a much better day than normal! RIP lady...
if everthing in life is pre-ordained why do we need helmets and safety equipment? if it's your time to go it doesn't matter right?
You jumped in before I could.
yeh,and what if your in a big jet liner at 30,000 ft and its the guy next to ya,s time to go,splain me that one.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/23/10 09:42 AM
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I was there and saw it, it was just that, a freak accident. I also believe what happens in life is pre-ordained, so believe what you will it was just her time and not Antron's. I went by the pits and hour later and there was a guy being treated still for a knee injury but didn't hear about the woman until after I got home. A bad day at the track is still a much better day than normal! RIP lady...
if everthing in life is pre-ordained why do we need helmets and safety equipment? if it's your time to go it doesn't matter right?
You jumped in before I could.
yeh,and what if your in a big jet liner at 30,000 ft and its the guy next to ya,s time to go,splain me that one.
...maybe it was YOUR time not his. Or perhaps you just become collateral damage in the scheme of things.
That vid of the tire bouncing along is incredible. Talk about energy.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
[Re: craigsmytcudas]
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02/23/10 09:47 AM
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And you slept at a Holiday Inn last night. Right? You need to be there and know first hand before making such an assumption. Please.
I think you should reread the post i was responding to .My point is that a redesign is a bit premature . But since your going there I do belive that nearly all failures in racing is human error . By the way If you need to know I sleep in the front living qtrs of my race trailer when on the road .
Are you kidding? You are assigning definite blame to human error as the cause of this accident without knowing ANY of the details? These are professionals. They have a routine for lug nut tightening and I can assure you that the severe tire shake Antron was driving through had everything to do with the stud failure.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/23/10 10:11 AM
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They could easily design a wheel with larger studs and wider bolt spacings, or better yet (for example) a heavy gauge plate (like a stud girdle) held on with a seperate set of bolts to the wheel that goes over the studs to prevent the nut from backing all the way off. There's no reason what happened yesterday couldn't happen again next sunday....or for that matter DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST SUNDAY
does anyone know why Pro stock was postponed to be run Saturday at the Gatornats?
If they said why they ran Fuel cars but no P/S I must have missed it
Why not just tighten the wheels correctly, then they wouldnt sheer or pull the studs .
Some of you don't have clue...
I wrecked at the finish line at 240 MPH at the NHRA nats at Col oH in 2003. tHE REAr tire bounced into the air several hundred feet and landed on a NHRA truck, destroyed the hood. Luckly it didn't hit anyone. How can you keep it from coming off? It tore 3 wheels off of my car, I was clocked at 225MPH going thru the traps backward after hitting the wall first. The lug nuts weren't loose!! Part of the wheel stayed bolted to the car.
The NHRA closed the track early that year, Same lane, same day Jason Line crashed Gregs pro stock car and 3 other sportsman cars in the same left lane.
Accidents happen at car races, it sucks. If it bothers you don't go.
RIP to the person killed.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
[Re: torredcuda]
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02/23/10 10:37 AM
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Cut and Pasted from the NHRA Pacific Division website. If they stick with this plan, no way they finish the divisional on time! Extended forcast is for showers on Saturday. I'll bet right now that the 1 time run at friday, and MAYBE 1 on Saturday are all the divisional competitors get.
Final eliminations for all NHRA Sportsman competitors in the NHRA Arizona Nationals will be completed this Friday in conjunction with the Division 7 Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event scheduled at Firebird International Raceway Feb. 26-28.
Competitors in the six classes being contested for the Arizona Nationals will get one time trial beginning at 8 a.m. and go straight into eliminations from there. The run Friday will count for qualifying toward the Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event and all cars entered into the Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event will be eligible to make the run Friday morning. All competitors in all classes for the Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series will only have one run allotted on Friday.
Stock and Super Stock eliminations for the Arizona Nationals will be random-paired for the first round and laddered second round based on furthest under the index runs during first-round eliminations. Competitors in Top Dragster and Super Street had already been paired and will remain with those pairing as eliminations are already underway. Super Gas had already completed first round and laddered second-round pairings will be retained for the completion.
In addition to the six classes being contested for Arizona Nationals eliminations, Top Alcohol Dragster, Top Alcohol Funny Car, Comp, Top Sportsman, and Sportsman Motorcycle competitors will have a single qualifying session on Friday. All 11 classes will receive two qualifying sessions on Saturday and Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series eliminations will be run in their entirety on Sunday.
Torredcuda,
Those kinds of capital improvements will bankrupt more than a few tracks. Do a search on Memphis...
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks"
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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02/23/10 10:38 AM
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Well with full respect....being in industrial engineering for 30 years and being flown 1/2 around the world to seek my opinions for FMEA (Failure Modes and Effect analysis) studies I think I have at least a "clue"...any safety system designed by man gets improved upon and upgraded as soon as something that was "NOT supposed to Happen" happens, Darrel Russell is a very good example of something that everyone knew could happen (a tire breaking apart and tail-whipping) but was not addressed until a low probability occurence quite tragicly took his life.  Fatalities happen in racing and in industry, it all comes down to "acceptable risk" and hoping the safety measures enacted are adequate to mitigate that risk.....upgrading those measures are often expensive (except DR's accident seems not so expensive and in a tragic irony now almost seems "common sense"....quite unfortunately from time to time the bar must be raised and there are always those who resist because of the expense of the redesign. I'm sure may of you may be familiar that in Industry we use many "torque to yield" break -away bolts and nuts that are essentially double nuts where torque is applied to the top nut and it shears off leaving only the properly torqued bottom nut in place. That's only mentioned as an example of how often engineering must take the human error factor out of the equation but even that is only as good as its certification method. There is no question in my mind that a wheel/wheel securing system could be designed with adequate strength for TF and F/C that would keep the wheel secure to a axle hub....it may not keep the tire on the wheel or (for that matter) the axle itself in the frame (another matter for discussion) but it could certainly keep the wheel on the axle. 
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