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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Accidents happen at racing events ( pick your venue )and they will continue to happen at racing events. IMO, the frequincy is less now than it was 50 years ago, so I think NHRA has, for the most part, stayed ahead of the curve. I don't agree with the 1000 foot change, as it detracks too much from the foundation of drag racing itself, but limiting to 1 mag /fuel pump would be a way to go. Each accident has to be looked at individualy and if it can be addressed, great, but you will never eliminate accidents at racing events. Unfortunately, this type of thing makes for great press with the news media ( "the bubble headed bleach blonde comes on at 5" )and todays information highway travels at the speed of light.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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does that track have a handi-cap section at the stripe!.. atlanta has a raised section /platform at the 1100 ft mark...for handi cap spectators. it gives them a great elevated view...fwiw.... i understand the family of the deceased..is from the nostalgia class..? Rip..  cheapst
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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I was there and saw it, it was just that, a freak accident. I also believe what happens in life is pre-ordained, so believe what you will it was just her time and not Antron's.  I went by the pits and hour later and there was a guy being treated still for a knee injury but didn't hear about the woman until after I got home. A bad day at the track is still a much better day than normal! RIP lady...
if everthing in life is pre-ordained why do we need helmets and safety equipment? if it's your time to go it doesn't matter right?
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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I was there and saw it, it was just that, a freak accident. I also believe what happens in life is pre-ordained, so believe what you will it was just her time and not Antron's. I went by the pits and hour later and there was a guy being treated still for a knee injury but didn't hear about the woman until after I got home. A bad day at the track is still a much better day than normal! RIP lady...
if everthing in life is pre-ordained why do we need helmets and safety equipment? if it's your time to go it doesn't matter right?
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Don't forget, Phoenix' Firebird Raceway is not on United States soil....it is part of an Indian Reservation. The Tribal police and Tribal authorities were there on the spot and pronounced her passed.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Everyone I've talked to on the scene knew the injured woman was dead, unfortunately. But to pronounce that at the scene would have meant a stoppage of the event, and an official police investigation on the grounds, so she had to be whisked away to be pronounced at the hospital and the show could go on. It's a sickening reality, but it's standard protocol for any large sporting or public event in this country.
Well, the only way she could have been pronounced dead at the scene is if there was an Doctor, Coroner or Undertaker there to do it! Those are the only professionals that can legally declare someone deceased!
well if they are not breathing and have no pulse what would you call it? doesn't take a doctor to figure that out. except for legal purposes.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Everyone I've talked to on the scene knew the injured woman was dead, unfortunately. But to pronounce that at the scene would have meant a stoppage of the event, and an official police investigation on the grounds, so she had to be whisked away to be pronounced at the hospital and the show could go on. It's a sickening reality, but it's standard protocol for any large sporting or public event in this country.
Well, the only way she could have been pronounced dead at the scene is if there was an Doctor, Coroner or Undertaker there to do it! Those are the only professionals that can legally declare someone deceased!
well if they are not breathing and have no pulse what would you call it? doesn't take a doctor to figure that out. except for legal purposes.
glad your not a doctor, how many people on this planet are alive and well that at some point didnt have a pulse and were not breathing. i say give the person all the help and medical attension they need before throwing in the towel.
props to the prostock guys fgor standing up to nhra!!
my condolences for the family of the woman that died
i also think the wheel wasnt torqued down properly.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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NHRA finally made it and has been mentioned on our local nightly news. As always it was bad news about someone dying while at a racing event. Gloom and doom does it every time.
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Re: accident at Phoenix?
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Crazy day of racing @ firebird. Sad to hear about the death, thought and prayers to the family members. They do nee some tall fences though. I know its a pain to watch through a fance, but that beats debri hitting ya.
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how tall would you make the fence? that tire was 20' up in the air. as sad as it is being around racing is dangerous and not a lot you can do to prevent an accident like that.
It didnt get 20 ft up untill it got outside the guard rail, and gained momentum. The fence at 18FT might have helpped if it was 10ft on either side of the track.
Just a thought??
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Unless it was deflating thru an orifice, falling and/or flying in a vacum, it was NOT gaining momentum.
After pondering my above comment, let me clarify my main point, once the tire left the car, it would unlikely ever gain energy, it could store energy in compressing the inflated tire when it struck a solid object, but most of that would be released on the rebound, it might change direction, and it would change velocity as gravity effected it, but eventually thru friction, air drag, energy absorbed even by thought to be "solid" objects, it would eventually come to rest. However if the wheel was accelerated to very high speeds/rpms thru slippage with the track or the fact that tire was in the air before seperation, it could easily increase is ground speed after seperation as the rotational energy is converted to velocity as the loose tire gets traction, hence the appearance of gaining "momentum", which really is just a conversion of rotational inertia to ground speed. Which is also why so much harm can from a low speed wheel seperation.
Reducing chances of wheel seperation likely should be the focus of prevention IMO.
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