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440 build #616576
02/18/10 12:18 AM
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Lets ay I have a 73 440 (wich I do) with stock heads, pistons way down in the hole as they came. Leave the internals alone (Do what it takes on the outside), How much can you guys get out of it on a budget and what would you use to do it?


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Re: 440 build [Re: strokin73cuda] #616577
02/18/10 08:54 AM
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you can make as much as that stock rotating assembly can handle. the cast pistons i think will be the first to let go. i would be willing to bet 600hp would live if your tuning skills are up to par

Re: 440 build [Re: strokin73cuda] #616578
02/18/10 09:22 AM
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I do something like this... 6-8psi will give you around 100-125hp and gobs of torque. and be totally tame on the street

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Re: 440 build [Re: Mr.Yuck] #616579
02/20/10 12:20 AM
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I am looking for more like 700-800 hp will a factory steel crank work if so which pistons do I need to get? And what size turbos should I get? In other words I need a little help with a parts list. Or do I need to build the shortblock the same as you would for a 700 plus N/A build?


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Re: 440 build [Re: joshking440] #616580
02/20/10 03:13 AM
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you can make as much as that stock rotating assembly can handle. the cast pistons i think will be the first to let go. i would be willing to bet 600hp would live if your tuning skills are up to par




Are stock rods and main caps really going to take 600hp? I'm thinking even at 600hp you'd be wanting aftermarket h-beam rods and would be pushing the limits of stock main caps.

Re: 440 build [Re: strokin73cuda] #616581
02/20/10 10:02 AM
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I am looking for more like 700-800 hp will a factory steel crank work if so which pistons do I need to get? And what size turbos should I get? In other words I need a little help with a parts list. Or do I need to build the shortblock the same as you would for a 700 plus N/A build?




I think you can use the crank but for 7-800hp you might want to upgrade the mains, def'ly get good rods, girdle...as for pistons you'll need to talk to a good boost guy. I'd guess if you called Wiseco they could set you up...but they 'aint cheap. Remember you can make 800hp but can you get it to the ground? and can you do it w/o breaking stuff. Call SDCE and see what they have to say as far as turbos and whatnot


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Re: 440 build [Re: Mr.Yuck] #616582
02/20/10 12:02 PM
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I am looking for more like 700-800 hp will a factory steel crank work if so which pistons do I need to get? And what size turbos should I get? In other words I need a little help with a parts list. Or do I need to build the shortblock the same as you would for a 700 plus N/A build?




I think you can use the crank but for 7-800hp you might want to upgrade the mains, def'ly get good rods, girdle...as for pistons you'll need to talk to a good boost guy. I'd guess if you called Wiseco they could set you up...but they 'aint cheap. Remember you can make 800hp but can you get it to the ground? and can you do it w/o breaking stuff. Call SDCE and see what they have to say as far as turbos and whatnot



i used the stock crank for 3 yrs making over 700HP+ blower drag HP with eagle H rods and wiseco K373A3 pistons.i have the same rods,pistons but with a 440source crank,KP440 block.
ps:with stock caps,studs,cre girdle.

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Re: 440 build [Re: blownzoom440] #616583
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i thought that a turbo was eaier on parts because it eased into power not a sudden hit like a roots or nitrous or even a n/a. arent 302s in mustangs makeing in the 7-800 area? i know two or three locally that make 550- 650 to the rear tires with a stock shortblock. that would be close to 700 or so at the crank right?

Re: 440 build [Re: headhunter] #616584
02/20/10 04:00 PM
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I have a 383 with stock rods and pistons, but with open chamber heads and thick gaskets bringine the comp down to 7.55:1 and I am only running 8lbs boost.

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You can wait till I make some passes at the track next month and I'll let you know how it all works out, whether or not stock caps, rods, rod bolts can take the extra HP

Re: 440 build [Re: headhunter] #616585
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i thought that a turbo was eaier on parts because it eased into power not a sudden hit like a roots or nitrous or even a n/a. arent 302s in mustangs makeing in the 7-800 area? i know two or three locally that make 550- 650 to the rear tires with a stock shortblock. that would be close to 700 or so at the crank right?




what mustangs? it takes a lot for one of those 302's to make 700+HP. the crank will be ok. You will need good rods, and pistons.







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