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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616016
03/03/10 08:13 PM 03/03/10 08:13 PM
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The third nipple is in that photo, but it is in the shadowed area.

It has come up before.

If you take a 3-nipple breather & hold it at the same angle / orientation you can spot it, try it.




If that is the case then where is the third hose and pipe coming from the fender well? It's not in the whole engine picture from above. By looking at Troys engine pic it would have to be hanging out to wards the engine.



The steel line would be out of view in the magazine photo. Here is a N95 T/A line.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: hemi70se] #616017
03/03/10 08:16 PM 03/03/10 08:16 PM
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Here is a pic of a new 1970 440 6 pack Chall as tested in a March 1970 Road Test magazine. It clearly shows a 2 nipple breather and it definitely does not have the N95 emission vent line.



What is that running from the breather across the heater motor to the fender then?

Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616018
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May be a pilot, or a factory ringer in those mags. Saw a old demon 340 road/track mag write up where it had odd stripes that didn't make it into production
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: Alaskan_TA] #616019
03/03/10 08:20 PM 03/03/10 08:20 PM
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Here is a pic of a new 1970 440 6 pack Chall as tested in a March 1970 Road Test magazine. It clearly shows a 2 nipple breather and it definitely does not have the N95 emission vent line.




Here is Troys pic. the pipe hangs way over the heater hoses. Going by this it should be some ware in the 70's photo don't you think? Even if the pipe isn't visible The hose should be still hanging out there.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: ademon] #616020
03/03/10 08:21 PM 03/03/10 08:21 PM
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May be a pilot, or a factory ringer in those mags. Saw a old demon 340 road/track mag write up where it had odd stripes that didn't make it into production



Now that I could buy. I had never thought of it.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: Alaskan_TA] #616021
03/03/10 08:22 PM 03/03/10 08:22 PM
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Here is a pic of a new 1970 440 6 pack Chall as tested in a March 1970 Road Test magazine. It clearly shows a 2 nipple breather and it definitely does not have the N95 emission vent line.



What is that running from the breather across the heater motor to the fender then?



Barry - I don't think that breather matches a 3-nipple based on a comparison to this pic. You should be able to see the "superfluous 3rd nipple"

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616022
03/03/10 08:25 PM 03/03/10 08:25 PM
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I just had another thought. (WOW that's scary) Why would they vent the carb to the breather on an N95 car and just let it go and vent to the air on a regular T/A? As I understand the N95 was to recirculate the gas tank vapor so it didn't go in the air. Why not just vent it up to the breather and leave it at that? I guess my other question is why the double standard?



How the 1970 N95 system worked at the links below.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/serviceHighlights/70%20sh%20125.jpg

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/serviceHighlights/70%20sh%20126.jpg

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/serviceHighlights/70%20sh%20127.jpg
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: floyd] #616023
03/03/10 08:27 PM 03/03/10 08:27 PM
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Barry - I don't think that breather matches a 3-nipple based on a comparison to this pic. You should be able to see the "superfluous 3rd nipple"



It sticks out like a 440-6 in a 340-6 discussion.

Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: Alaskan_TA] #616024
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All this talk of nipples got me thinkin'. Time to shave....
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: floyd] #616025
03/03/10 08:33 PM 03/03/10 08:33 PM
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I just spit up on my desk!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616026
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Looking at this closeup I cannot see where you see a third (OK) fitting for the tank vent. I do have an appointment to get new glasses but I still don't see it.

'09 Challenger R/T '70 Challenger T/A 340 6Pak and Auto I was born with nothing and I still have most of it left!
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616027
03/04/10 08:20 AM 03/04/10 08:20 AM
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Maybe I'm just the stubbern German in me but I don't see why they would have this system for California and just let the carb vent into the open air for the rest on the states. They got rid of the crankcase open vents in the 60's and went to a PCV system so why let the carb vent open?

'09 Challenger R/T '70 Challenger T/A 340 6Pak and Auto I was born with nothing and I still have most of it left!
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616028
03/04/10 11:44 AM 03/04/10 11:44 AM
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Here is a picture from the last page of the artical. It has the air cleaner on and there is NO N95 vent going to the breather. I'm listing all the pages to the Magazine. Anyone car read it for them selfs.

Pg1 http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC%20AUG%2070%2001.jpg
Pg2 http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC%20AUG%2070%2002.jpg
Pg3 http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC%20AUG%2070%2003.jpg
Pg4 http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC%20AUG%2070%2004.jpg
Pg5 http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC%20AUG%2070%2005.jpg


Just download the pages and enlarge them and they will be readable. I know I'm not going to make those that believe the vent tube was left open think otherwise. As far as I'm conserned it wasn't and to me this artical and the Super Stock magazine of July 1970 both shows the vent going to the a 2 nipple breather.

I rest my case!

'09 Challenger R/T '70 Challenger T/A 340 6Pak and Auto I was born with nothing and I still have most of it left!
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: Alaskan_TA] #616029
03/04/10 12:22 PM 03/04/10 12:22 PM
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Here is a pic of a new 1970 440 6 pack Chall as tested in a March 1970 Road Test magazine. It clearly shows a 2 nipple breather and it definitely does not have the N95 emission vent line.



What is that running from the breather across the heater motor to the fender then?



That is the windshield washer hose. It's much smaller. I figured that would taken as vent hose.
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: hemi70se] #616030
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It looks like you and I are out on a limb alone on this. Until someone can come up with photos from the 70's showing the vent was just left open I'm going to rely on the two magazine articles I can produce to show it wasn't.

I went back and reread the two articles thinking that maybe they were the same car. They were not. One of the cars had 3:91's and the other has 3:55's. The articles were 2 months apart and two different cars.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: RareTA] #616031
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Here is a pic of my N95 equipped 70 Cuda taken at the same pic angle as the 70 Road Test Challenger. There is no way that that vent line is not going to show up in that pic. That Chall just didn't have the N95 line, but clearly it has the vent line to the carb bowl.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: hemi70se] #616032
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Notice how the vent line to the carb on my Cuda comes out at the upper part of the breather. The pic of the Chall has it coming out at the lower part. Here is a pic of an NOS 2 port breather and it matches the Chall's breather with port locations. How can you dispute pics of new cars? To me there are the best example of how these cars were built and the best guide for resto.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: hemi70se] #616033
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Here is a pic of a NEW TA Chall as featured in "High Performance Cars back in Nov '70. It clearly shows a single port breather and an open carb vent tube. It does have some mods like headers and progressive throttle linkage but I think you can safely assume the carbs and breather are original. As a side note, this is a great feature as it shows a RARE color pic of the lime green TA with the hood open and it is plainly visible that it has a yellow cap battery.

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Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: hemi70se] #616034
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While you are probably right about the breather, things have been changed. Note the PCV port has been blocked off and the hose from the PCV valve routed down the front of the engine.
Re: TA/AAR Two-Nipple Crankcase Breather [Re: BS27ROB] #616035
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I have that magazine also. That car is highly modified for racing. There isn't much OEM on that motor. If you read the caption of the picture it says the engine has been blueprinted for drag racing. How many OEM parts got put back on? This is far from a stock showroom engine bay.

http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC02%20(Large).jpg
http://96.18.66.248/images/HPC04%20(Large).jpg

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