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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
[Re: cataclysm80]
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I've seen lots of debate on this subject. I'd agree that the RT stripe cars have no emblem. Some claim that the stripe delete cars also had no emblem, while some say they did. (I'd think they did, but that's just my opinion.) Of the people that say the stripe delete cars had emblems, some claim that a few early built cars came with the emblem in the 1970 location, instead of the 71 location pictured above.
Tav
I have heard that same debate, but then why would there by an engineering edict stating the way I described? I do have a very early, poor quality photo of my car from 72 showing the emblems in the proper location. I don't own a scanner, but I suppose I could photograph it and post it.
I guess it kinda boils down to this. If they didn't put the R/T emblems on the stripe delete cars, then they really wouldn't have any "R/T" identification, no? Just cannot see that happening. Can you recall ANY R/T model that didn't have an R/T logo somewhere?
There is another original hemi R/T stripe delete car that is yellow with same setup as mine.
MB
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
[Re: Stewpar]
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Here is a stripe delete hemi car still in the hands of the orig owner. Stripe delete with fender emblems.
Did the owner add the stripe?
I must be confusing that car up with another one. For some reason I thought it was stripe delete.  I would assume that pic is the "as delivered" state.
MB
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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We've debated this many times before. I say no R/T emblems on 71 R/Ts, just decals and the quarter scoop. If it was a stripe delete, it had no R/T on it at all. That's what I had and owned back in 1980. IMHO.
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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There is another original hemi R/T stripe delete car that is yellow with same setup as mine.
Is this the car?
This was posted in a previous thread on the same subject.
Tav
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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I used to have an engineering drawing from Chrysler saved that showed the options and the layout. I believe Barry Washington has it on his site. Maybe someone can post it.
As far as I know, Barry was asked by Chrysler to take the engineering diagrams down off his web site. I'd imagine he still has a copy of them, just not up on the website. Faxon auto literature has been coming out with books of engineering diagrams for sale, but I'm not sure if they've gotten to E bodies yet.
It sure would be nice to see that diagram though!
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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I used to have an engineering drawing from Chrysler saved that showed the options and the layout. I believe Barry Washington has it on his site. Maybe someone can post it.
As far as I know, Barry was asked by Chrysler to take the engineering diagrams down off his web site. I'd imagine he still has a copy of them, just not up on the website. Faxon auto literature has been coming out with books of engineering diagrams for sale, but I'm not sure if they've gotten to E bodies yet.
It sure would be nice to see that diagram though!
Tav
Yep,
That was the car in question....
As for the emblem placement drawing, I thought I lost it, but here it is  Click on the attachment for a clearer view.
Note the drawing specifically states "G series" which we all know is 1971. Despite this proof and pics of known originals some will still not be convinced. Oh well.
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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Mike,
Thanks for posting the pic.
Stripe Delete = R/T emblem
 I cant' speak for all 71 stripe-delete R/T's, but a friend of mine has an original paint (what's left of it...  ) white R/T, stripe delete, and it has the R/T fender emblems. It also has the factory vinyl body-side moldings... 
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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I see the above document but my 1970-71 Chrysler parts book doesn't list anything for an R/T emblem on a 71 R/T but it does have an air cleaner for a 71 T/A 340 4 barrel so we know these things aren't always correct. I owned three 71 R/Ts back in the late seventies/early eighties and none of them had R/T emblems. The photo link below is one page of a period road test of a stripe delete 71 R/T 340. You'll notice, no emblems.
T/A 4 bbl and 2-4bbl base plates were avaliable and made to outfit Challengers with optionaly ordered N94 fiberglass "T/A" hoods, of which a handful of documented R/T equipped cars do exsist currently,....as far as magazine "test cars", most were early rushed pilot/promo/production models often ill fitted/trimed with incorrect options, or lack of, inorder to get early press release,...so while some roadtest photos are sometimes valuable "tools" to aid in research, they aren't the "holy grail" so to speak 
The factory released for production prints clearly show the intended F and G series designations as to intented assyline fitement of the emblems,....and like everything in life, not everything is etched in stone, so I'm sure variations exsist, as do deletions
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Re: 71 R/T challenger fender emblem
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Parts books make poor reference guides for any restoration. Even to this very day, parts books(and in todays world-computers) got revised mid year several times. There were omissions, superceded parts, part number revisions, vendor changes, and on and on. Additionally, period road tests often feature cars that are "pre-production" cars that quite frequently have incorrect parts and/or differ somewhat from what you would normally see on a run of the mill regularly ordered vehicle in the middle of the production run. Putting the photographic evidence and authorized factory engineering drawings aside- I find it hard to imagine that every single '71 stripe delete Challenger had owners who put R/T badges on their cars. It's just doesn't seem likely. I would think it would be more likely that the ones that people remember not having them were factory mix ups that should have got them but didn't, or they were removed by thieves or simply just fell off. It was a very common practice in those days(theft of badges, logos and hood ornaments). And for the record Jeff from CT, you are entitled to your opinion and right to believe otherwise and I respect that. MB
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